Kirby D. P.
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Church attendance. God's mafia. Come to church or burn in hell.
It is from cherry picking scripture, quite literally not grasping one iota of God and not even trying in the least to think of the future. How will they be 'ok' with God when they sitting around a table drinking tea and eating scones, knowing that there is a place where those who did not make it and some who '''just''' did not make it are burning in fire not for ten minutes, not for an hour, not for a week, not for a month, not for a year, not for million years, trillion, billion, centillion....nope, for all eternity. They will be ''ok'' with God doing that to someone who '''''just'''''' did not make it. They will then teach '''God will remove your memories''. They get that from Rev 21:4 ''God will wipe away your tears''. How do they get ''remove memory'' from ''wipe away tears''?
What in the universe is so hard to understand about 1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from the beginning 'God is light with no darkness in Him at all'. I guess God is a hypocrite. He tells us to love our enemies but He utterly hates His? He is deceiving us. 'Surprise, I am actually extremely wicked'. God is not a human that He should lie Num 23:19. We can hold God to every scripture. The fire of hell needs to be read in light of all scripture. Many Christians think judging God is beyond us. But it is not. How else are we supposed to accept God / Jesus as our groom? God has put us on a level where we can grasp and judge Him. Gen 3:22 says we know what is right and wrong just as He does. Paul says in 1 Cor 6:1-9 that we will judge angels. He says in 1 Cor 11:31 For if we were judging ourselves, we would not come under judgment. He says in Eph 3:18 that you may have power, together with all the Lord's holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ.
We also just have to look at how God interacts with those '''He utterly hates'''. In Matt 4:1-11 the devil tempts Jesus. If we do a role reversal with say Nero and a Christian. Dear Nero, can I tempt you three times? What? How dare you. Guards, arrest this Christian and make his pike longer and blunter, I want him to suffer for a few more hours''. Jesus entertains the devil's ''nonsense'' on not one but three occasions. Then politely ends the discussion. The devil and the demons know their fate but yet there are no lines like '''Oh cruel and merciless God who will make me burn in misery for eternity''. There are also no lines from Jesus to the devil like 'I can't wait to see you swallow your tongue and cry in pain and misery for all eternity''. Instead we see the devil tempt Jesus. We see Jesus honoring the request of the demons to be cast into pigs. It does seem odd to want to be cast into pigs, but the fact is, Jesus / God honored their request. Even if we look at how God speaks to the devil in Job 1:7-9 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.” Where is the utter hatred from God and fear of hell by the devil in this line? If you knew ( and the fallen angels do know ) that this Being that created you was going to place you in a brazen bull for all eternity, all communication would be very different. There would also not simply be ''weeping and gnashing teeth'' or asking for ''a drop of water on your tongue''. It would be screaming and begging for bucket loads of water.
Job 1: 7-9 is my second all-time favorite Biblical passage. I’ve seen all the books and the terabytes of web content expounding upon the “problem of evil.” Usually I see Job 1 come up among a host of other scriptural references. Not that I have any answers about it myself, but I think a more promising approach is consulting the rest of the Bible to explain the emphatically complex and fraught relationship between God and Satan here.
My #1 favorite is Gen 2:15, “And God took the Man and placed him in the Gerden to dress it and to tend it.” It doesn’t say, “...if he feels like it,” or, “...as long as it doesn’t harm the economy,” or, “...even though he doesn’t have to because God will always keep the Garden in tip-top shape.”