Can i not be Christian and Saved?

[lentz]

I see people hear professing to be saved by the grace of God.
But then say they are not christian,that they dont act like chrristians,and even that they hate christians.
The way scripture reads,i would think if claim not to be christian,dont act like a christian,dont like christians period.....you are lost and undone and a fearful judgments awaits.

 

[lentz]

@Curtis
@Andyindauk @Bill
@Butch5

CAN a person who is not a christian be saved?

 

[Curtis]

@Curtis
@Andyindauk @Bill
@Butch5

CAN a person who is not a christian be saved?

The word, "Christain" is not what the early Church called themselves, it was what the world called them. The word, "Christain" means, "Christ-like"
The Church acted like Christ hence the name.

 

[Butch5]

@Curtis
@Andyindauk @Bill
@Butch5

CAN a person who is not a christian be saved?

I believe God can save anyone He chooses to save.

 

[lentz]

I believe God can save anyone He chooses to save.

Let me ask it in another way.
After a person IS saved,is that person now a christian,or no?

 

[Andyindauk]

2 verses spring to mind. John 14:6 and John 13:34-35. If you pass the 1st test, you follow Jesus. You'll follow his first commandment, you'll love all your brothers and sisters that are in the family aka the church.

Anyone who doesn't follow Jesus cannot be saved. There's no other way into Heaven.

 

[lentz]

2 verses spring to mind. John 14:6 and John 13:34-35. If you pass the 1st test, you follow Jesus. You'll follow his first commandment, you'll love all your brothers and sisters that are in the family aka the church.

Anyone who doesn't follow Jesus cannot be saved. There's no other way into Heaven.

And forgetting all the definitions and all. We know what the word or title implies:Can a person be saved and say they arent a christian?

 

[Butch5]

Let me ask it in another way.
After a person IS saved,is that person now a christian,or no?

Technically a Christian is a follower of Christ. I don't see someone as "saved" until their resurrected. When someone believes and is baptized, they've entered into a covenant with the Lord. Th is is what people typically call being saved. However, it's actually only the beginning. Ultimately one is saved at the Resurrection.

 

[lentz]

I had a pastor who believed along those same lines as you.
I will give you the same arguement i gave him.


True we grow in the fruit of the Spirit daily. But you cant be anymore saved a thousand years from now than you were the moment you accepted Christ.
I cant quote chapter and verse and this is paraphrasing,but i believe Paul in essence said. I am saved,I'm being saved,I will be saved.

The Holy Spirit sealed us at monent of accepting Christ,So i believe thats it.

 

[Butch5]

I had a pastor who believed along those same lines as you.
I will give you the same arguement i gave him.


True we grow in the fruit of the Spirit daily. But you cant be anymore saved a thousand years from now than you were the moment you accepted Christ.
I cant quote chapter and verse and this is paraphrasing,but i believe Paul in essence said. I am saved,I'm being saved,I will be saved.

The Holy Spirit sealed us at monent of accepting Christ,So i believe thats it.

Who is this addressed to?

 

[lentz]

Who is this addressed to?

Im sorry. It was addressed to you.
Dont know what happened there.

 

[Curtis]

1Jn 2:4 If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth.
1Jn 2:5 But those who obey God’s word truly show how completely they love him. That is how we know we are living in him.
1Jn 2:6 Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Jesus did. (NLT)

1Jn 5:13 I have written this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life. (NLT)

 

[Twistie]

I see people hear professing to be saved by the grace of God.
But then say they are not christian,that they dont act like chrristians,and even that they hate christians.
The way scripture reads,i would think if claim not to be christian,dont act like a christian,dont like christians period.....you are lost and undone and a fearful judgments awaits.

I claim no title at all I'm just a follower of the Messiah... We r told when we see a group or a brother go astray n if they continue on that path to separate...
Me I was told by Abba not to go in their ways... So I don't.. I don't pay man to repeat what YH has told His children.. I don't pay to help a building that no one lives in for upkeep n light n water n what Eva else comes along with it... We r told not to put burdens on our brothers n sisters yet most pastors or preachers think that it's ok..
I understand at one time people needed help to read the Word or needed the Word to b read to them however this is no longer the case..
I see people who r trans people who r raping their children woman who sleep with the younger men in them temples n much much more all in the name of Christianity..

If ya think about them days they was in when the name christian came about it was a way to call YHs people a "derogatory" name like u calling me a mic cause I'm Irish..

Christianity runs more on man taught rules n ways then YHs way sadly..

Not once in revelations does He even mention the Church of Christianity... N not Once did the Messiah say I'm coming back for Christians..

What He said Mine is a Nation of priest.. can ya honestly say that the Christians ya see walking in them temples are anything like a priest? The way they dress the stages they got set up the lights n cameras n oh the band let's not forget the band...

I dont hate them but I don't wanna hang with them...

Their ways are not mine.. got a Christian lady here ask me hey wanna smoke some meth with me.. ooohh do u see that man ??.. ummm that's a child in my eyes he was no more the 22.. she is my age.. she cam another day say hey if I go get some crack wanna smoke ...uhhh no..

So in all honesty naw I am not a Christian nor will I take a title that's derogatory against YHs people


But like YH told me

Let the blind Be ....


Twistie

 

[lentz]

I claim no title at all I'm just a follower of the Messiah... We r told when we see a group or a brother go astray n if they continue on that path to separate...
Me I was told by Abba not to go in their ways... So I don't.. I don't pay man to repeat what YH has told His children.. I don't pay to help a building that no one lives in for upkeep n light n water n what Eva else comes along with it... We r told not to put burdens on our brothers n sisters yet most pastors or preachers think that it's ok..
I understand at one time people needed help to read the Word or needed the Word to b read to them however this is no longer the case..
I see people who r trans people who r raping their children woman who sleep with the younger men in them temples n much much more all in the name of Christianity..

If ya think about them days they was in when the name christian came about it was a way to call YHs people a "derogatory" name like u calling me a mic cause I'm Irish..

Christianity runs more on man taught rules n ways then YHs way sadly..

Not once in revelations does He even mention the Church of Christianity... N not Once did the Messiah say I'm coming back for Christians..

What He said Mine is a Nation of priest.. can ya honestly say that the Christians ya see walking in them temples are anything like a priest? The way they dress the stages they got set up the lights n cameras n oh the band let's not forget the band...

I dont hate them but I don't wanna hang with them...

Their ways are not mine.. got a Christian lady here ask me hey wanna smoke some meth with me.. ooohh do u see that man ??.. ummm that's a child in my eyes he was no more the 22.. she is my age.. she cam another day say hey if I go get some crack wanna smoke ...uhhh no..

So in all honesty naw I am not a Christian nor will I take a title that's derogatory against YHs people


But like YH told me

Let the blind Be ....


Twistie

I have to reflect back to Phillip and the Ethiopian. People will always need a guide.
I dont think anyone no matter who they are or how smart they are,can just pick up the scriptures,start reading and understand it.
Yes the Holy Spirit does the teaching but he chose to use Phillip that day. And didnt just automatically let the Ethiopian understand Isaiah.

 

[Twistie]

I have to reflect back to Phillip and the Ethiopian. People will always need a guide.
I dont think anyone no matter who they are or how smart they are,can just pick up the scriptures,start reading and understand it.
Yes the Holy Spirit does the teaching but he chose to use Phillip that day. And didnt just automatically let the Ethiopian understand Isaiah

YH is the Only Teacher we r told not to call ourselves masters or teachers for there is only one...

Grown men n grown woman know right from wrong it's the children that need to b taught to seek YH n not to trust man to tell them what's truthfully written.. that how much of this mess started I believe... Many Love to spoon feed those who r trying to seek YH n many r willing to eat what's being spoon fed with out questions...

We r all equal we r all brothers n sisters we should b gathering in homes breaking bread n helping one another like we r told to..

Most throw their Money at these men n woman that claim a title that are pretty well off n yet it is written woe to those who give to the rich but how many times has a preacher told his congregation that??

Wonder how many preachers went n visited one of his flock while they was in jail or sick how many helped the one who gave yr after yr when they had lost their job.. they line the preacher says is go down to the state welfare they will help you..


Personally idc what others call themselves or what they do.. cause they can read the Word for themselves or they can listen to an audio bible..


But like I was told Most are filled on the words of man n there's no room for the True Word of YH..


Like eating a desert before dinner...


I been fasting with YH for quite a while n I wouldn't have it any other way.. for we r told

Flesh gives birth to flesh.. Spirit gives birth to spirit...


Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Sadly many don't realize ya can have church anywhere at anytime as long as two or more is present....


Twistie

 

[lentz]

YH is the Only Teacher we r told not to call ourselves masters or teachers for there is only one...

Grown men n grown woman know right from wrong it's the children that need to b taught to seek YH n not to trust man to tell them what's truthfully written.. that how much of this mess started I believe... Many Love to spoon feed those who r trying to seek YH n many r willing to eat what's being spoon fed with out questions...

We r all equal we r all brothers n sisters we should b gathering in homes breaking bread n helping one another like we r told to..

Most throw their Money at these men n woman that claim a title that are pretty well off n yet it is written woe to those who give to the rich but how many times has a preacher told his congregation that??

Wonder how many preachers went n visited one of his flock while they was in jail or sick how many helped the one who gave yr after yr when they had lost their job.. they line the preacher says is go down to the state welfare they will help you..


Personally idc what others call themselves or what they do.. cause they can read the Word for themselves or they can listen to an audio bible..


But like I was told Most are filled on the words of man n there's no room for the True Word of YH..


Like eating a desert before dinner...


I been fasting with YH for quite a while n I wouldn't have it any other way.. for we r told

Flesh gives birth to flesh.. Spirit gives birth to spirit...


Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Sadly many don't realize ya can have church anywhere at anytime as long as two or more is present....


Twistie

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The Ethiopian was a grown man. Highly educated,on business for the queen. He had no idea what he was reading. But he knew right from wrong.

 

[Twistie]

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The Ethiopian was a grown man. Highly educated,on business for the queen. He had no idea what he was reading. But he knew right from wrong.

Only YH can Reveal..

All's I know is what YH tells me n I will follow what He says for I have seen with my eyes n heard with my ears how the majority of Christianity is..

The Word christian is followed more then Christ himself tho frfr

Twistie

 

[lentz]

Only YH can Reveal..

All's I know is what YH tells me n I will follow what He says for I have seen with my eyes n heard with my ears how the majority of Christianity is..

The Word christian is followed more then Christ himself tho frfr

Twistie

That last sentence you wrote, I totally agree with you on.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I see people hear professing to be saved by the grace of God.
But then say they are not christian,that they dont act like chrristians,and even that they hate christians.
The way scripture reads,i would think if claim not to be christian,dont act like a christian,dont like christians period.....you are lost and undone and a fearful judgments awaits.

Jesus/Yeshua is the ONLY way to God, there's no other way. Broad is the way that leads to destruction, narrow is the gate to righteousness.

 

[Twistie]

Jesus/Yeshua is the ONLY way to God, there's no other way. Broad is the way that leads to destruction, narrow is the gate to righteousness.

Amen..

Simple n too the point!

Twistie