Can i not be Christian and Saved?

[Twistie]

Dear Sister,
There are many truths to speak of, yet not all truths are spoken of. Not all Christians are what you believe, though you were told to separate yourself from them. For surely though told to separate yourself from them, He did not say that none of them were His. That is the truth is it not? Now many if not most may even be as you say, but you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Like I said, I'm sure he did not tell you denigrate them on the way out the door either! Which is what you are doing when you don't add "many, some, those etc." in mentioning Christians in the negative.

So, use adverbs to specify that it is not everyone who calls themselves Christians, but those who are liars and cheats, murderers even, who probably are even lying to themselves that you are talking about. Doing so, by adding that little adverb, you communicate to those who are believers, His followers in truth that though they may identify themselves as Christians that you are not talking about them. Why cause a greater heartache to a Brother or Sister in Christ Jesus, then they are already going through and will continue to go through? Also, don't assume that they will know that you are not talking about them and just the corrupters. This is why I speak of what I do to you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Alls I know is He told me to separate from Christianity..
I don't question Him I ask questions there is a big difference He owes none of us an explanation.. there's a reason He told me to do so n what that is idk
Perhaps all His children will leave the ways of chrsitianity idk

As for adverbs n what not I have gotten that far in relearning what ur even talking about..

I said it before tho to who idk but I'll say it again..

I lost just about all my memories from what I had learned in my school yrs

I had an accident that cause real bad head trauma I lost many memories n many years in that accident I lost the ability to b able to play my guitar I lost quite a bit to the accident

I'm lucky to b able to keep track of what year I am in let alone month n day..

To me it's normal tho it seems to aggrivate many

N why would one want what's goin on in them temples hidden??

Everything that's done in darkness will come to light

Idk who His who Not His I see things very simple anymore if something strikes someone's cord then perhaps that's when we exam ourselves.. idk that what I do..

Cause if I don't exam my ways no one else gonna do it for me ya know?

Idk I stopped walking on glass yrs ago n it's not something I will put myself thru again did it for a long time

If talking the Truth is wrong then what do u say is right?

Turn a blind eye to what's happening?

I'm just trying to figure out what exactly your trying to tell me in short??

I think I figured out tho what ur trying to say..

I apologize if I seem short lately I got so much coming down n it's quite a load.. n those who say they will b there to help r not n ya don't even want me to say what they r smh..

Twistie

 

[Bill]

He told me to speak the Truth about what I see and what I hear..
For we r His witness...

Twistie..

I was thinking, i said it in this thred, but maybe in another, recently.

Paul tells us what a true Jew is. And i believe he uses the view of the true Jew, to explain what a true Christian is as well.

The Pharisees knew the law of God inside and out, the law of Moses. But they missed something that was very important, it was completely overlooked. And what that was was loving God with your heart

I believe that Paul was trying to tell us also that there is a difference between someone that calls themselves Christian, and someone that is a true Christian. Because the true children of God love God with their hearts

 

[Twistie]

Dear Sister,
There are many truths to speak of, yet not all truths are spoken of. Not all Christians are what you believe, though you were told to separate yourself from them. For surely though told to separate yourself from them, He did not say that none of them were His. That is the truth is it not? Now many if not most may even be as you say, but you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Like I said, I'm sure he did not tell you denigrate them on the way out the door either! Which is what you are doing when you don't add "many, some, those etc." in mentioning Christians in the negative.

So, use adverbs to specify that it is not everyone who calls themselves Christians, but those who are liars and cheats, murderers even, who probably are even lying to themselves that you are talking about. Doing so, by adding that little adverb, you communicate to those who are believers, His followers in truth that though they may identify themselves as Christians that you are not talking about them. Why cause a greater heartache to a Brother or Sister in Christ Jesus, then they are already going through and will continue to go through? Also, don't assume that they will know that you are not talking about them and just the corrupters. This is why I speak of what I do to you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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<><

I try my hardest not to group I will try n remember the adverbs? That's what the many or most is right??

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

I was thinking, i said it in this thred, but maybe in another, recently.

Paul tells us what a true Jew is. And i believe he uses the view of the true Jew, to explain what a true Christian is as well.

The Pharisees knew the law of God inside and out, the law of Moses. But they missed something that was very important, it was completely overlooked. And what that was was loving God with your heart

I believe that Paul was trying to tell us also that there is a difference between someone that calls themselves Christian, and someone that is a true Christian. Because the true children of God love God with their hearts

Ya I see the Word Christian was meant as a derogatory word like if ya called me a mic cause I come from Irish descendants..

N nothing derogatory comes from YH He don't call His children names..

The Messiah says Mine is a nation of priest.. no where is it written in revelations to the church of the chrsitians..


Twistie

 

[Christ4Ever]

I try my hardest not to group I will try n remember the adverbs? That's what the many or most is right??

Twistie

Bless you Sister!

Yes, unless throwing out the Baby with the bathwater is easier to remember!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Twistie]

Bless you Sister!

Yes, unless throwing out the Baby with the bathwater is easier to remember!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

Ahahaha lol now I get it the baby with the bath water lol I ain't Neva heard one say that before I likes that..

N again I apologize if I seem short but a year of walking around with a broken arm n a boched should reconstruction does add ware n tare to my patience??

I am still learning to b nice too cause I was a very very mean person...

Unlearning what the world taught me to b is a process that will not end in this life time


Twistie

 

[Christ4Ever]

Don't worry Sister!
You have Holy Spirit helping you not only in healing the body, but the spirit as well!
The meaner you were only makes it more joyful, when there is a breakthrough!
You may not even see it, but I'm sure others will!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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<><

 

[Garee]

Ya I see the Word Christian was meant as a derogatory word like if ya called me a mic cause I come from Irish descendants..

N nothing derogatory comes from YH He don't call His children names..

The Messiah says Mine is a nation of priest.. no where is it written in revelations to the church of the chrsitians..


Twistie

The word Christian is the name the Father promised in Isaiah 62 to rename his bride, the church.

The father of lies Satan would have mankind believe it was a derogatory name that came from sinful mankind.

Previously using the second born as Jacob the deceiver to represent natural unconverted mankind in order to demonstrate our second birth "born from above" by the Holy Father . He changed the name from one dead in there tresspases and sins (Jacob the heel bruiser ) . . .into his bride Israel .

Israel defined as one that does wrestles with flesh and blood and overcomes being empowered as the new birth .

I will offer three verses that one can look at .

Genesis 32:27-29King James Version And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.


Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Christian. . . more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world .

A name that literally without and other meaning added as a demonym means : " Residents of the city of Christ not seen Zion” prepared for His wife the church .named after its founder her husband Christ.

Isaiah 62King James Version For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

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[Twistie]

The word Christian is the name the Father promised in Isaiah 62 to rename his bride, the church.

The father of lies Satan would have mankind believe it was a derogatory name that came from sinful mankind.

Previously using the second born as Jacob the deceiver to represent natural unconverted mankind in order to demonstrate our second birth "born from above" by the Holy Father . He changed the name from one dead in there tresspases and sins (Jacob the heel bruiser ) . . .into his bride Israel .

Israel defined as one that does wrestles with flesh and blood and overcomes being empowered as the new birth .

I will offer three verses that one can look at .

Genesis 32:27-29King James Version And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.


Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Christian. . . more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world .

A name that literally without and other meaning added as a demonym means : " Residents of the city of Christ not seen Zion” prepared for His wife the church .named after its founder her husband Christ.

Isaiah 62King James Version For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

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Naw I don't see it as that.. when I go into the times n I ponder with Abba it's a derogatory word a name the people called the followers of the Messiah to mock them as they mocked The Messiah Himself.. it's not in the End of the book not in the beginning of the book..

We r told Mine is a nation of priest not christians.. we will have to disagree on this..

Twistie

 

[B-A-C]

Christian = imitator, follower of Jesus.

1Cor 11:1; Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
Eph 5:1; Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children;
1Thes 1:6; You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
1Thes 2:14 ; For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

John 10:4; "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
John 10:27; "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

Acts 26:28; Agrippa replied to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian."
1Pet 4:16; but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.
Acts 11:26; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

John 13:15; "For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.
1Pet 2:21; For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

If you're not living like Jesus, following Him, imitating Him, you're not a Christian "Christ like".
If you are doing these things you're a Christian.

The word Christian comes from "Christ".

1Jn 2:22; Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 5:1; Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
John 20:31; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 3:20; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,

Rom 8:29; For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
2Cor 3:18; But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Rom 13:14; But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

 

[Twistie]

Christian = imitator, follower of Jesus.

1Cor 11:1; Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
Eph 5:1; Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children;
1Thes 1:6; You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
1Thes 2:14 ; For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

John 10:4; "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
John 10:27; "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

Acts 26:28; Agrippa replied to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian."
1Pet 4:16; but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.
Acts 11:26; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

John 13:15; "For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.
1Pet 2:21; For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

If you're not living like Jesus, following Him, imitating Him, you're not a Christian "Christ like".
If you are doing these things you're a Christian.

The word Christian comes from "Christ".

1Jn 2:22; Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 5:1; Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
John 20:31; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 3:20; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,

And I'll say it again when I have ponder this with Abba n go back in the times of Antioch the word christian is meant as a derogatory word.. to mock the Messiah people like they mocked the Messiah Himself..

We r not told mine is a nation of christians we r told Mine is a nation of Priest He does not state anywhere I'm coming back for chrsitians He states He is coming for what was given to Him..

We will have to agree to disagree on this word that so many hold closer then Christ Himself..

No where does the Messiah state He is a Christian in fact He Neva titled Himself n imma follow what He tells me....

Twistie

 

[B-A-C]

Matt 10:33; "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

 

[Twistie]

Matt 10:33; "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

Denying the word christian is not denying Christ..
It is written a house divided will fall .. how christian temples under different names are there??.. it is written the least is the greatest the Messiah calls least a servant..how many chrsitians are out here serving the poor the elderly the homeless the addicts the fatherless??..
N look how many people were forced to go into Christianity or they would b killed.. YH does not force anyone to go to Him..
The Messiah did not say those who do the will of MY Father are christians He said they r my brothers n sisters..

Twistie

 

[PloughBoy]

Naw I don't see it as that.. when I go into the times n I ponder with Abba it's a derogatory word a name the people called the followers of the Messiah to mock them as they mocked The Messiah Himself.. it's not in the End of the book not in the beginning of the book..

We r told Mine is a nation of priest not christians.. we will have to disagree on this..

Twistie

Twiste: don't fret none, everything is being redefine, for This World, just Do not just Stop worshipping God like that, as It You go to The wall, and Hit The Switch. But Slowly and with Craft, he slithers, and He moves in "Stealth mode" for he is unrecognizable, it is "gift" given to Him by Our Father, but he has an army too, of Decoys. so we cannot see "The TRUTH" for Only The LORD can see Him and His Moves, because he does have the The Permission to Deceive us, For mere training. So stand back and "watch' how He moves. And let this Mind be in you. Like it is In "Christ Jesus":

Note:
Now read it very slowly and do not rush to conclusions, And Always Pay attention to The "Translation" I use in referring to A "Particular Text of Scripture" I do not choose because I like the way it sounds or how it fits my pattern of Speaking to verify a my Thought.


American Standard Version
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven. <"it is a Idiom"
So watch as you speak. and Observe,

another Level, another kind of devil, we are in training and Not Conquering who knows what Our Father has inspired for us in ETERNITY!, For our destiny is Not Heaven nor "The Millennium Reign" but far beyond, for Those places are only Temporary , But May I say, He has Something Far More Greater, For all of these Places are Nothing But training Places for What is To come. In a place where there is No End of Our "Inherit KINGDOM" and we will "RULE"

I cannot mention everything, But watch, and the Lord will show you.

example: 2 Chronicles 18:21
New King James Version
So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You Shall Persuade him and Also Prevail; go out and do so.’
New American Standard Bible
He said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You shall entice him, and you will also prevail. Go out and do so.’
2 Chronicles 18:22
New King James Version
Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”

New American Standard Bible
Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours, for the LORD has declared disaster against you.”

The Whole WORLD tries to define God and what he does and Limit who He is. and only 2 things He cannot do: "Deny himself and Lie"


King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

New King James Version
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’

Now watch The Created Creatures come out and and Define Him.

 

[B-A-C]

The Whole WORLD tries to define God and what he does and Limit who He is. and only 2 things He cannot do: "Deny himself and Lie"

...and sin. He cannot sin.

1Jn 3:9; No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[Twistie]

...and sin. He cannot sin.

1Jn 3:9; No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Yshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Yshua hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

Twiste: don't fret none, everything is being redefine, for This World, just Do not just Stop worshipping God like that, as It You go to The wall, and Hit The Switch. But Slowly and with Craft, he slithers, and He moves in "Stealth mode" for he is unrecognizable, it is "gift" given to Him by Our Father, but he has an army too, of Decoys. so we cannot see "The TRUTH" for Only The LORD can see Him and His Moves, because he does have the The Permission to Deceive us, For mere training. So stand back and "watch' how He moves. And let this Mind be in you. Like it is In "Christ Jesus":

Note:
Now read it very slowly and do not rush to conclusions, And Always Pay attention to The "Translation" I use in referring to A "Particular Text of Scripture" I do not choose because I like the way it sounds or how it fits my pattern of Speaking to verify a my Thought.


American Standard Version
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven. <"it is a Idiom"
So watch as you speak. and Observe,

another Level, another kind of devil, we are in training and Not Conquering who knows what Our Father has inspired for us in ETERNITY!, For our destiny is Not Heaven nor "The Millennium Reign" but far beyond, for Those places are only Temporary , But May I say, He has Something Far More Greater, For all of these Places are Nothing But training Places for What is To come. In a place where there is No End of Our "Inherit KINGDOM" and we will "RULE"

I cannot mention everything, But watch, and the Lord will show you.

example: 2 Chronicles 18:21
New King James Version
So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You Shall Persuade him and Also Prevail; go out and do so.’
New American Standard Bible
He said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You shall entice him, and you will also prevail. Go out and do so.’
2 Chronicles 18:22
New King James Version
Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”

New American Standard Bible
Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours, for the LORD has declared disaster against you.”

The Whole WORLD tries to define God and what he does and Limit who He is. and only 2 things He cannot do: "Deny himself and Lie"


King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

New King James Version
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’

Now watch The Created Creatures come out and and Define Him.

Ha! I've finally learned the difference between now n know lol I was so confused for yrs on which was what!

I just try n break down on why I don't claim the titles christian for many wanna pass judgement n I don't want them to walk into sin like that cause it makes many chrsitians darkness even more brighter to them idk I know what I mean tho...
Tho many won't

Twistie

 

[Garee]

Naw I don't see it as that.. when I go into the times n I ponder with Abba it's a derogatory word a name the people called the followers of the Messiah to mock them as they mocked The Messiah Himself.. it's not in the End of the book not in the beginning of the book..

We r told Mine is a nation of priest not christians.. we will have to disagree on this..

Twistie

If you close your eyes to the meaning of the word no one would expect you have it wrong . The father named the kingdom of priest Christians . if it's Christians whose doctrines of God you hate and will not bless then say so .

What form of religion are you of ? What is your source of faith?

 

[Twistie]

If you close your eyes to the meaning of the word no one would expect you have it wrong . The father named the kingdom of priest Christians . if it's Christians whose doctrines of God you hate and will not bless then say so .

What form of religion are you of ? What is your source of faith?

I close my eyes to all the worlds things my Eyes are fixed on YH.. He teaches n He reveals n imma stick with Him

I stand on what I have said..


Only One religion I follow and that's of My Father

Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

I follow the Word n the Word Alone I have no title no denomination...

I simply am just a follower of the Messiah...

Twistie

 

[Bob Carabbio]

@Curtis
@Andyindauk @Bill
@Butch5

CAN a person who is not a christian be saved?

Nothing but "Word games".

Saved people have been BORN AGAIN of the Holy Spirit, and indwelled / changed by HIM. What you CALL THAT STATE, is totally unimportant.

The prevalent term for it is "Christian". If you're Born Again, then you could call yourself an Aardvark, and it wouldn't make any real difference, but you would confuse lots of folks.