Can i not be Christian and Saved?

[Bill]

Thats true. And what instument circumcised that heart?

Love

Jesus tells us love God with all your heart

 

[Bill]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

I love how Satan twists the scripture. It's written in the scripture itself about those who do not know the law but do what the law requires will be saved

 

[Twistie]

Being good and generous does npthing for you. A lot of good people will be in hell. You must accept Christ and be forgiven. Because youre good would be salvation by works.

So ur saying u consider doing what is right in the Eyes of YH as works?? Do u consider doing wat is right for you children works or Love??..

See if it wasn't for The Power of YH we wouldn't even b able to choose to do wat is right..

Idk I don't get it wen people claim doing wat is right works ..

Faith without action is dead..

Js

Twistie

 

[Bill]

So ur saying u consider doing what is right in the Eyes of YH as works?? Do u consider doing wat is right for you children works or Love??..

See if it wasn't for The Power of YH we wouldn't even b able to choose to do wat is right..

Idk I don't get it wen people claim doing wat is right works ..

Faith without action is dead..

Js

Twistie

Exactly !!!

Twistie, i can not wait for you to be in heaven. You are going to have so much fun.

Heaven was made for people like you.

 

[Twistie]

Exactly !!!

Twistie, i can not wait for you to be in heaven. You are going to have so much fun.

Heaven was made for people like you.

I'll neva have to make decisions again thats alone sound amazing.. ey?

People wanna talk which man should b exalted n ova who when they need to Exhalt YH Himself Many are blinded or idk stuck behind the veil like days of old they can not see YH is family we r all brothers sisters mothers n elders n should b treated as such.. YH tells us wat to do the map of life is before the eyes of many n many r to busy n they being strangled by the ways n worries of the world.. it can b disheartening.. n sadly we who see r called all types of names..



Idk Yeshua Said who is my Mother brother n sister those who do the will of my Father..

YH is Spirit n those who worship Him Truly worships in Truth n Spirit....

Twistie

 

[Bob Carabbio]

@Curtis
@Andyindauk @Bill
@Butch5

CAN a person who is not a christian be saved?

The REAL QUESTION is: Can a person who HAS NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT be "saved"??

"Christian" is a religious "Buzz word" that's been bandied around to the point where it means NOTHING - like "FAITH", or "LOVE"..

The answer, of course is: If a person has not been "Born Again" and infilled by the Holy Spirit, then they're only an Uncleansed SINNER who's SIN is still on them, and they're LOST, and hellbound when they die.

What "Label" they attach to themselves doesn't mean SPIT.

 

[Bill]

The REAL QUESTION is: Can a person who HAS NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT be "saved"??

"Christian" is a religious "Buzz word" that's been bandied around to the point where it means NOTHING - like "FAITH", or "LOVE"..

The answer, of course is: If a person has not been "Born Again" and infilled by the Holy Spirit, then they're only an Uncleansed SINNER who's SIN is still on them, and they're LOST, and hellbound when they die.

What "Label" they attach to themselves doesn't mean SPIT.

Buzzword or no buzzword.
We all understand what the author of this thread is trying to ask. Can a person who is not a Christian, be saved.

Stepping away from the buzzword issue. Let us just get down to the nuts and bolts. To be Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. It also means that that person who claims to be Christian accepts all that Jesus says, even the stuff that we find hard to accept. I would state that it includes the breaking of the Bread and Wine becoming the Body and the Blood of Jesus.

Jesus says that if you do not receive the Body and the Blood that you will not be accepted into heaven.

Just as it was when Jesus taught this message, and many of his followers at that time left him because it was too hard to understand. The same thing goes now in all the denominations that cannot accept that teaching. Who's still claim to be Christian but cannot accept the teaching of Jesus.

Now there are many things that people do not comprehend when it comes to Jesus. We are so caught up in the concept that Jesus is human, that we completely forget that Jesus is way more than that

In the first chapter of the Gospel of John he States. In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God.

I find it ironic, that many of you here will say that you understand this. When in fact you do not. Why do I say you do not understand this, it is because you do not understand nor accept the bread and the wine becoming the Body and Blood of Jesus.

If you fully understood what was meant when John said the Word was God. Then you would fully understand what is meant when Jesus says this is my Body.

What is more, you do not understand the scripture where Paul is talking about the pagans when he States. For those who know the Law they will be judged by the Law, and for those who do not know the Law they will be judged by the Law written in their hearts.

Paul goes on to say, pagans who never heard of the Law but are led by reason to do what the Law commands may not actually possess the Law but they can be said to be the Law. They can point to the substance of the Law engraved on their hearts.

To understand all of what I've said. You must understand that when Paul is talking about the Law of God. He is talking about Jesus.

When God spoke to Moses, and God wrote the Ten Commandments on to those two stone tablets. The Word that was inscribed into those two stone tablets was Jesus.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Buzzword or no buzzword.
We all understand what the author of this thread is trying to ask. Can a person who is not a Christian, be saved.

Of course not. Anybody who's not BORN AGAIN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT is hell bound.

Stepping away from the buzzword issue. Let us just get down to the nuts and bolts. To be Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. It also means that that person who claims to be Christian accepts all that Jesus says, even the stuff that we find hard to accept. I would state that it includes the breaking of the Bread and Wine becoming the Body and the Blood of Jesus.

FALSE - your "THEOLOGY" is nothing but "Head knowledge" and isn't related to being "BORN AGAIN", which is a HEART KNOWLEDGE issue.

A personal exchange between YOU, and GOD. If you've been CONVICTED OF YOUR SIN and of judgement by the Holy Spirit, and as a result, surrendered to Him, Repented, and cried out to God in FAITH (in God's WORD TO YOU) to be saved, then the Holy Spirit indwells, and EVERYTHING CHANGES. THEN Your Journey IN HIM has begun.

THEN - it's time (probably AFTER you've been Baptized - which is what one does AFTER they've been Born Again as a testimony - to TAKE HIS YOKE UPON YOU, and learn of HIM. Reading the Bible is a good place to start, as is Church Attendance. You've got the rest of your life to develop, re-think, adjust, and deepen your "theology". Roman 8:28,29 gfives the nature of the program - that the Born Again Christians becomes conformed to Jesus' image.

Jesus says that if you do not receive the Body and the Blood that you will not be accepted into heaven.

Sounds like Roman Catholic "Sacramental foolishness". I assume that you're a ceremonial Trans-substantialist, as "Catholic Tradition" teaches.

you do not understand nor accept the bread and the wine becoming the Body and Blood of Jesus.

Then explain why the priest can't do too many masses without becoming drunk on "the blood of Jesus". Trans-substantiation is "Just another" Roman Catholic fantasy. The wine stays wine, and the "Bread" (a "Wafer" produced according to a Catholic recipe) stays a wafer, just like they did in the upper room.

Protestants do their "holy Communion" properly, as JESUS taught - in remembrance of HIM.

 

[Twistie]

Buzzword or no buzzword.
We all understand what the author of this thread is trying to ask. Can a person who is not a Christian, be saved.

Stepping away from the buzzword issue. Let us just get down to the nuts and bolts. To be Christian means to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. It also means that that person who claims to be Christian accepts all that Jesus says, even the stuff that we find hard to accept. I would state that it includes the breaking of the Bread and Wine becoming the Body and the Blood of Jesus.

Jesus says that if you do not receive the Body and the Blood that you will not be accepted into heaven.

Just as it was when Jesus taught this message, and many of his followers at that time left him because it was too hard to understand. The same thing goes now in all the denominations that cannot accept that teaching. Who's still claim to be Christian but cannot accept the teaching of Jesus.

Now there are many things that people do not comprehend when it comes to Jesus. We are so caught up in the concept that Jesus is human, that we completely forget that Jesus is way more than that

In the first chapter of the Gospel of John he States. In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God.

I find it ironic, that many of you here will say that you understand this. When in fact you do not. Why do I say you do not understand this, it is because you do not understand nor accept the bread and the wine becoming the Body and Blood of Jesus.

If you fully understood what was meant when John said the Word was God. Then you would fully understand what is meant when Jesus says this is my Body.

What is more, you do not understand the scripture where Paul is talking about the pagans when he States. For those who know the Law they will be judged by the Law, and for those who do not know the Law they will be judged by the Law written in their hearts.

Paul goes on to say, pagans who never heard of the Law but are led by reason to do what the Law commands may not actually possess the Law but they can be said to be the Law. They can point to the substance of the Law engraved on their hearts.

To understand all of what I've said. You must understand that when Paul is talking about the Law of God. He is talking about Jesus.

When God spoke to Moses, and God wrote the Ten Commandments on to those two stone tablets. The Word that was inscribed into those two stone tablets was Jesus.

I find it sad how many think their salvation is in the word chrsitian.. so sad

But it is written for those who have Ears...


Twistie

 

[Bill]

I find it sad how many think their salvation is in the word chrsitian.. so sad

But it is written for those who have Ears...


Twistie

Twistie, people do not understand the word "Christian" because they are stuck. People do not understand, that the word Christian is not something of the Mind. It does not mean you need to understand all about Jesus, or have full knowledge of what the scripture says.

What it means to be Christian, is something of the heart. Jesus gave himself to all of mankind because he loved. Jesus tells us to walk in his footsteps, and what he means by this is that we need to love as he did.

 

[Twistie]

Twistie, people do not understand the word "Christian" because they are stuck. People do not understand, that the word Christian is not something of the Mind. It does not mean you need to understand all about Jesus, or have full knowledge of what the scripture says.

What it means to be Christian, is something of the heart. Jesus gave himself to all of mankind because he loved. Jesus tells us to walk in his footsteps, and what he means by this is that we need to love as he did.

I believe it's pride that's makes one want to claim a title.. I've stated before Christian was a derogatory name that the world called the followers of the Messiah.. for we r told His is a nation of priest..
Nothing derogatory comes from YH..
But then again ya got the woman calling themselves the b word n young blacks calling themselves the n word.. n ya got many who claim they r followers of The Messiah calling themselves Christian.. many sit comfortably in a false light.. sad just sad


Twistie

 

[watertolive]

Greetings in the Lord,
ya'll have debated 13 pages of the OP, have even argued over being born of water and spirit, beating each others brows with verses and have accomplished what?
So in all your debate.. what about the thief that hang beside Jesus?
He was not a confessed "Christian" (Christ follower).
He had not under gone a water baptism.
Nor a spiritual one.
However, he did defend the Lord while they hang together, against the one that rivaled Him; saying we hang here justly, this man has done nothing wrong.

Which tells me the Word is the only one correct.
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2 Tim 2:11-13

Of these things put them in rememberance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2 Tim 2:14

Even those that confess him as Lord and Savior only; he must needs bring them also.
Because.... he can not deny himself.

In the near future, many will confess him as Lord and Savior.
Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess......

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Bill Taylor]

Greetings in the Lord,
ya'll have debated 13 pages of the OP, have even argued over being born of water and spirit, beating each others brows with verses and have accomplished what?
So in all your debate.. what about the thief that hang beside Jesus?
He was not a confessed "Christian" (Christ follower).
He had not under gone a water baptism.
Nor a spiritual one.
However, he did defend the Lord while they hang together, against the one that rivaled Him; saying we hang here justly, this man has done nothing wrong.

Which tells me the Word is the only one correct.
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2 Tim 2:11-13

Of these things put them in rememberance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2 Tim 2:14

Even those that confess him as Lord and Savior only; he must needs bring them also.
Because.... he can not deny himself.

In the near future, many will confess him as Lord and Savior.
Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess......

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

Valid point but too many do not study to seek understanding, you have.

 

[B-A-C]

. what about the thief that hang beside Jesus?

Many believe he was under the old covenant. Jesus has not yet ascended to heaven. ( That was 43 days later )
Jesus hadn't yet sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat in Temple in heaven.

John 2:19; Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Acts 1:3; To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John 20:17 ; Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

Heb 8:2; a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.

Heb 9:11; But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
Heb 9:21; And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
Heb 9:22; And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Heb 9:23; Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24; For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
Heb 9:25; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.

Heb 12:24; and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I see people hear professing to be saved by the grace of God.
But then say they are not christian,that they dont act like chrristians,and even that they hate christians.
The way scripture reads,i would think if claim not to be christian,dont act like a christian,dont like christians period.....you are lost and undone and a fearful judgments awaits.

Chuckle!!!! LOTS of "religious word games" are played here constantly.

SO - (john 3:3) "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Born Again = Surrender, Repent, and cry out to God IN FAITH to apply the SIN OFFERING of Jesus (Isa 53:10) to your life. THEN you'll be indwelled by the Holy Spirit, who fuses with your human spirit, and cleanses you from all sin and makes you a NEW CREATION in Christ.

IF you don't have THAT, you've got NOTHING and Hell awaits.

If you've been TOLD by a pastor, or a Church worker that "you've got it", but your life doesn't change and you're still the same as you were before, and aren't sure you're "saved" then you almost certainly aren't.

"Christian" is a "buzz word" that, in today's Common English, has essentially LOST just about ALL of it's meaning. Nowadays when a person says that: "I'm a Christian" you have no idea what they actually mean by it, or what they've been led to believe that it means.

 

[watertolive]

Chuckle!!!! LOTS of "religious word games" are played here constantly.

SO - (john 3:3) "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Born Again = Surrender, Repent, and cry out to God IN FAITH to apply the SIN OFFERING of Jesus (Isa 53:10) to your life. THEN you'll be indwelled by the Holy Spirit, who fuses with your human spirit, and cleanses you from all sin and makes you a NEW CREATION in Christ.

IF you don't have THAT, you've got NOTHING and Hell awaits.

If you've been TOLD by a pastor, or a Church worker that "you've got it", but your life doesn't change and you're still the same as you were before, and aren't sure you're "saved" then you almost certainly aren't.

"Christian" is a "buzz word" that, in today's Common English, has essentially LOST just about ALL of it's meaning. Nowadays when a person says that: "I'm a Christian" you have no idea what they actually mean by it, or what they've been led to believe that it means.

Testify of your spiritual baptism, brother.
What happened to you?
It happens in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye.
All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Testify of your spiritual baptism, brother.
What happened to you?
It happens in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye.
All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

Probably more "Word issues" here, but the long version would be:

In 1963, and for 6-7 years before, I was terminally depressed, hopeless, and passively suicidal. so, with a couple from a neighboring town in Massachusetts, I bout a 1947 Buick, and drove from the Boston area to Houston Texas to "get away from our problems. Houston was a much more dynamic economy, and good jobs were easy to come by, but since I'd brought myself along, and I was the "Problem" things didn't get better.

But the Lord had engineered the solution - my roommates got Born Again - led to the Lord by the folks across the hall, The next night, Pete took me on and the Holy Spirit convicted me of my SIN, and with the assistance of my roommate, I Surrendered, Repented, and Cried out to God to SAVE ME. He did, and everything changed because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (John 20:22). As frosting on the cake, I was INSTANTLY delivered from my three-pack a day cigarette habit - no withdrawal, no craving, just like I'd neve smoked in my life. (more to that story)

The following Sunday evening, At Greenwood Baptist Church in Pasadena, TX, I was Baptized by immersion in the three titles, and initially indoctrinated (New Convert's class) in the Southern Baptist theological package (Gap theory, OSAS, Cessationism, etc.).

When I returned home to Massachusetts shortly after, I found that the Northeastern Baptist Churches were quite a different breed of cat, rather cold and liberal, and in search of a more "Warm Blooded" CHurch, I wound up in the Assemblies of God denomination, where I've been for most of the last 57 years. Being a "Pentecostal Denomination", they stressed "the Baptism in the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:4), and the speaking in tongues as the "initial evidence thereof". I didn't have any theological issues with that, but I didn't HAVE IT.

In the '60s, God sent The Charismatic Outpouring, which rolled across the Midwest where I was living then, and I became part of the "Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship International" (FGBMFI). After a year or so, I was prayed for to receive the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit", and nothing happened - until about three weeks later, and suddenly during worship, an odd "word" appeared in my mind, and I spoke it - then more odd words came, and flowed as I spoke them - i.e. "Tongues". SO basically I'd been "Born Again" since '63, and Baptized in the Holy SPirit in '73. and the PRACTICAL aspect of that was that I was suddenly propelled into an intense Bible teaching ministry to small groups, which went on for pretty much the next decade. God also used me often in the "Interpretation of Tongues" in churches, and occasionally in "prophesy".

The Charismatic outpouring (1966 - 1979 or so) affected mostly the "Liberal denominations and Roman Catholics", and the Assemblies of God wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. One aspect of the "outpouring" was that it was non-denominational, and we all saw in the Lord something much higher than our "precious denominational doctrines". For about a decade we were all "Just Christians" together, and "Labels" were very unimportant.

But all Holy Spirit Revivals come to an end, and us "Charismatics" had to make a choice. SOME of them "tried to keep it going" (which was impossible), and others of us re-integrated with our old denominational groups, and MANY Charismatics flowed into the Assemblies of God Denomination with the effect that the AG became a LOT LESS LEGALISTIC (one strike and your OUT), and generally became a much less JUDGEMENTAL group.

So essentially my "Theology" is: "Free range Charismatic, NON-Systematic, slightly Calvinist leaning, non-denominational Christian" who's a member in good standing of an Assembly of God church family.

 

[Bill]

Greetings in the Lord,
ya'll have debated 13 pages of the OP, have even argued over being born of water and spirit, beating each others brows with verses and have accomplished what?
So in all your debate.. what about the thief that hang beside Jesus?
He was not a confessed "Christian" (Christ follower).
He had not under gone a water baptism.
Nor a spiritual one.
However, he did defend the Lord while they hang together, against the one that rivaled Him; saying we hang here justly, this man has done nothing wrong.

Which tells me the Word is the only one correct.
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2 Tim 2:11-13

Of these things put them in rememberance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2 Tim 2:14

Even those that confess him as Lord and Savior only; he must needs bring them also.
Because.... he can not deny himself.

In the near future, many will confess him as Lord and Savior.
Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess......

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

The thief on the cross did one thing that is completely overlooked by most, he showed compassion to Jesus. Compassion is a form of love.

You must have love in your heart to enter heaven. Jesus states " no one " can go to the Father but through me .

 

[Bill]

Probably more "Word issues" here, but the long version would be:

In 1963, and for 6-7 years before, I was terminally depressed, hopeless, and passively suicidal. so, with a couple from a neighboring town in Massachusetts, I bout a 1947 Buick, and drove from the Boston area to Houston Texas to "get away from our problems. Houston was a much more dynamic economy, and good jobs were easy to come by, but since I'd brought myself along, and I was the "Problem" things didn't get better.

But the Lord had engineered the solution - my roommates got Born Again - led to the Lord by the folks across the hall, The next night, Pete took me on and the Holy Spirit convicted me of my SIN, and with the assistance of my roommate, I Surrendered, Repented, and Cried out to God to SAVE ME. He did, and everything changed because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (John 20:22). As frosting on the cake, I was INSTANTLY delivered from my three-pack a day cigarette habit - no withdrawal, no craving, just like I'd neve smoked in my life. (more to that story)

The following Sunday evening, At Greenwood Baptist Church in Pasadena, TX, I was Baptized by immersion in the three titles, and initially indoctrinated (New Convert's class) in the Southern Baptist theological package (Gap theory, OSAS, Cessationism, etc.).

When I returned home to Massachusetts shortly after, I found that the Northeastern Baptist Churches were quite a different breed of cat, rather cold and liberal, and in search of a more "Warm Blooded" CHurch, I wound up in the Assemblies of God denomination, where I've been for most of the last 57 years. Being a "Pentecostal Denomination", they stressed "the Baptism in the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:4), and the speaking in tongues as the "initial evidence thereof". I didn't have any theological issues with that, but I didn't HAVE IT.

In the '60s, God sent The Charismatic Outpouring, which rolled across the Midwest where I was living then, and I became part of the "Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship International" (FGBMFI). After a year or so, I was prayed for to receive the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit", and nothing happened - until about three weeks later, and suddenly during worship, an odd "word" appeared in my mind, and I spoke it - then more odd words came, and flowed as I spoke them - i.e. "Tongues". SO basically I'd been "Born Again" since '63, and Baptized in the Holy SPirit in '73. and the PRACTICAL aspect of that was that I was suddenly propelled into an intense Bible teaching ministry to small groups, which went on for pretty much the next decade. God also used me often in the "Interpretation of Tongues" in churches, and occasionally in "prophesy".

The Charismatic outpouring (1966 - 1979 or so) affected mostly the "Liberal denominations and Roman Catholics", and the Assemblies of God wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. One aspect of the "outpouring" was that it was non-denominational, and we all saw in the Lord something much higher than our "precious denominational doctrines". For about a decade we were all "Just Christians" together, and "Labels" were very unimportant.

But all Holy Spirit Revivals come to an end, and us "Charismatics" had to make a choice. SOME of them "tried to keep it going" (which was impossible), and others of us re-integrated with our old denominational groups, and MANY Charismatics flowed into the Assemblies of God Denomination with the effect that the AG became a LOT LESS LEGALISTIC (one strike and your OUT), and generally became a much less JUDGEMENTAL group.

So essentially my "Theology" is: "Free range Charismatic, NON-Systematic, slightly Calvinist leaning, non-denominational Christian" who's a member in good standing of an Assembly of God church family.

Yes, the devil infiltrated the charsmatic groups with pride. And as there were no one to really ' Lead ' and help you combat the pride. It caused the catastrophic calapse of the Spirit filled community

I was never a charsmatic, infact by the time i came along, i kept running into pride filled Charismatics.

No one had bothered to teach people how to use discernment, so the same as it is today. Discernment is not used

 

[lentz]

Chuckle!!!! LOTS of "religious word games" are played here constantly.

SO - (john 3:3) "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Born Again = Surrender, Repent, and cry out to God IN FAITH to apply the SIN OFFERING of Jesus (Isa 53:10) to your life. THEN you'll be indwelled by the Holy Spirit, who fuses with your human spirit, and cleanses you from all sin and makes you a NEW CREATION in Christ.

IF you don't have THAT, you've got NOTHING and Hell awaits.

If you've been TOLD by a pastor, or a Church worker that "you've got it", but your life doesn't change and you're still the same as you were before, and aren't sure you're "saved" then you almost certainly aren't.

"Christian" is a "buzz word" that, in today's Common English, has essentially LOST just about ALL of it's meaning. Nowadays when a person says that: "I'm a Christian" you have no idea what they actually mean by it, or what they've been led to believe that it means.

I agree with that