Catholics Vs Protestants: Who is Right? 11-2-24

[Garee]

What does "call no man father" mean - and WHO was it directed to? Does that mean I can't call my father - father? Does it mean I can't call my pastor 'pastor?' Look at who Jesus is talking about - the Scribes and Pharisees. Look at what Jesus says about them and put this all-in context.

Jesus said to Jewish believers -

"All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

So he's telling them that they should respect the scribes and the Pharisees - not because of their conduct, but because they "sit in Moses’ seat". In other words, they should be respected because they hold an office of authority, ordained by God and goes on to say the Pharisees are bad examples.

"But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments - And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

So what's the message Jesus is getting at? The Scribes and Pharisees acted religious and loved to be seen sitting at the most honored seats in Jewish banquets, festivals, and in the synagogue. They loved titles of honor like "Rabbi and father." They loved it when people admired their 'spirituality'.

We have to put all of this in the context of what Jesus says between verses 8 - 12.

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Is Jesus contradicting himself from what he said in Verse 3?

All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Better translated - "Whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do."

So what is Jesus' message? Jesus is warning Jewish believers NOT to put the honor of men - (specifically the Pharisees), He is saying NOT to give excessive spiritual honor to people in authority because human honor is NOT above the honor that belongs to the Father - God.

Jesus was called Rabbi, Paul called himself father.

Thanks Much to cover.

It does not mean we cannot call our father, father. it does men ca no father on earth Holy Father our invisible God the one adopting father by which we can cry out Abba .

In that way there are two kinds of fathers, one not seen, eternal God the other dying mankind .

Dying mankind Saul under a law of the fathers the pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind. l

Looking to the temporal dying and not the unseen faith the eternal .Murdering Christian. out of sight out of mind .

Like Cain. I know not where Abel is Did you check the green pasture?

Paul born gain became enemy #1 wanted dead or alive they with their oral tradition of the legion of gods in the likeness of men tried to prove sola scriptura was a heresy, personal opinion and their heresy was a the law not subject to change.

Acts 24 13Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: (sola scriptura)

Rather than worshiping one Holy Father they must worship a legion of fathers Again two kind .Satan would make it all one in the same to take away the gospel unseen spiritual understanding .

Christ in us not a legion of fathers plural antichrists', another teaching authority other than sola scriptura . the reforming restoring authority in any generation or family when two or three that gather under it as it is written

 

[Garee]

We have to put all of this in the context of what Jesus says between verses 8 - 12.

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Is Jesus contradicting himself from what he said in Verse 3?

I would offer.

Just as no man can serve two fathers. earthly and heavenly the same applies with master as a teacher.

Jesus the Son of man a earthly master would never sit in the place of the invisible Father (Blasphemy )

Mark 10:17-18;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

God is not a man as us neither is there any infalible interpreter set between eternal God and dying mankind as a daysman or today a Pope

 

[Garee]

There are some things that make no sense at all. The "puff up dead fathers" i guess. You see all of scripture has to work together, it is my primary beef i have with many Protestants because when many preach there is so much breakdown of the scripture that its intent is completely lost. Except for the preacher making his ( cough - nowdays, her) points. Trying to show the scripture agrees with them because single words are found in scripture.

I would offer. I was paraphrasing.

The parable or figure of speech Compares sola scriptura) to those sent with it as messengers' errand boys . The Pharisees who desired to be venerated so they could lord over the u the understanding of the non venerable. mankind was pufig up thire dying flesh above sola scritua making it to no efect. No man can serve two good teaching master as one Eternal God

6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who (the Pope?) maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Its how the word is used throughout puffed up. . false pride

1 Corinthians 4:18Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you.But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.(living sola scriptural)

 

[Brad Huber]

I have for awhile now seen the catholic vs protestant situation as basically the same scenario (with methods differences) as it was with the pharisees vs saducees. Jesus didnt take sides, simply shared truth, and called the major groups of judaism as white washed sepulchres. Reminded of Matt 23:27
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

 

[Garee]

I have for awhile now seen the catholic vs protestant situation as basically the same scenario (with methods differences) as it was with the pharisees vs saducees. Jesus didnt take sides, simply shared truth, and called the major groups of judaism as white washed sepulchres. Reminded of Matt 23:27
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

I would agree

Pharisees with Sadducee's the witness of two You could say the Roman Catholic with East Orthodox .same law of the fathers oral traditons

The first century reformation came about because dying mankind was elevating sinners on a higher level than the non - venerable show observers Lording it over there understanding as a false source of faith . .

Sola scriptura the reforming authority in any generation or family whenever two or three gather under the hearing of the gospel the restorer of families

Good example in Acts 24 .Paul formally Saul (Christian murderer) became #1 on most wanted dead or alive . They tried to prove thier "I heard it through the fathers grape vine" as oral commandment of dying mankind was the law not subject to change and sola scriptura the heresy .

Paul was used to turn things right-side up, inspired from heaven coming down Rather than worshiping a legion of earthly inspired fathers Paul worshiped the one God. . of the believing fathers .

No patron saints the living seeking the dead

The word father is used in two ways .Satan who has no understanding coming from our Father would make it all one in the same . removing the unseen gospel spiritual understanding.

Acts 24:12-16 EXP Those who are accusing me [L They] did not find me arguing with anyone in the Temple or stirring up the ·people [crowd] in the synagogues or in the city. They cannot prove the ·things they are saying [charges; accusations] against me now. ;But I will ·tell you this [admit/confess this to you]: I worship the God of our ·ancestors [forefathers; fathers] as a follower of ·the Way of Jesus [L the Way; 22:4], which they call a ·sect [faction; cult]. But I believe everything that is ·taught in [or in agreement with; L according to] the law of Moses and that is written in the books of the Prophets. ;I have the same hope in God that they ·have [accept]—the hope that all people, ·good and bad [righteous and unrighteous], will surely be ·raised from the dead [resurrected; C the righteous to salvation, the wicked for judgment; Is. 26:19; Dan. 12:2]. This is why I always try to ·do what I believe is right [L have a clear conscience] before God and people.

The law of Moses and that is written in the books of the Prophets the sowrd of the spirt we fend it it defends those who put thier trust of faith in its power.

In that way no man can serve tow writen teachings masters as coming form one Faithfull "let there be " and "it was Creator good"

It become which written source will a person allow to defend . In that way be careful how we hear who we say we do many antichrist false apostles sent with false prohecy, oral traditons dying mankind .

It aplies with any sect. Sola scriptura the written standard the Devine Spirit of Faith

Acts 17:10-11 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.