Christian Acid Test to be applied to all doctrines

[KingJ]

@B-A-C please do not reply to Dylans posts here like # 19, I will simply ask mods to delete all posts discussing a matter separate to the OP. This thread is not to be a discussion on TULIP unless it is Dylan explaining to us how God remains just, impartial and righteous with his belief.

 

[Dylan569]

BAC, can you give a reasonable interpretation of the passages I quoted supporting TULP, in a manner to avoid making a contradiction with those you quote? If you give such, instead of merely introducing contradictions, I will happily give reasonable interpretations of your verses that are from the New Covenant showing that they DO NOT contradict what I posted under TULIP.

For example, for 2 Pet. 3:9 -

Peter is addressing the believers -
"This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; in them I am trying to arouse your sincere intention by reminding you" (2Pe 3:1 NRSVue)

Peter is warning and alerting the believers about the scoffers that they will encounter -
First of all you must understand this, that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and indulging their own lusts and saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since our ancestors died, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation!” (2Pe 3:3-4 NRSVue)

Peter continues to speak to God's elect, the believers -
But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance. (2Pe 3:8-9 NRSVue)

So, it reads in context:
but is patient with you (elect), not wanting any(of the elect) to perish but all(of the elect) to come to repentance.

When the last person of God's elect is brought into the sheep fold, Christ will return.

The "all" in 2 Pet. 3:9 cannot mean everyone without exception because Peter has already written about the ungodly going to hell, 2 verses back:

"But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the godless." (2Pe 3:7 NRSVue)

 

[Dylan569]

It is hardly an achievement to quote scripture, the devil did that to Jesus in the wilderness.

You are pushing clear heresy that incriminates God and do not care to defend your belief when exposed.

You fail at being an ambassador for Jesus and scripture, which is your 'one' job on earth 2 Cor 5:20, Jude 1:3. Fail at agreeing with David, Paul, John and Job who per my OP defined God as just, righteous and impartial.

You do pass however with flying colours at being a troll and a false teacher.

King, it seems that I am getting under your skin, because you sent me 7 Direct Messages yesterday, and you are the first on any thread to be sending me Direct Messages. I don't use the DMs so I don't answer those. It is not me upsetting you, it is the word of God that I quote. I value the word of God over any and all men!

"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there until they have watered the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose and succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (Isa 55:10-11 NRSVue)

 

[KingJ]

King, it seems that I am getting under your skin, because you sent me 7 Direct Messages yesterday, and you are the first on any thread to be sending me Direct Messages. I don't use the DMs so I don't answer those.

Read the dm's and respond.

I value the word of God over any and all men!

I don't believe you do as I explain in post # 9, 12,13,15 and 20.

"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there until they have watered the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose and succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (Isa 55:10-11 NRSVue)

I think you missed the point I made to you in post # 20. The devil can also quote scripture. Quoting scripture is not by default sowing seed.

When the scripture you quote is proven to completely and utterly misrepresent God, your service to the Kingdom is more akin to sowing poison.

I am open to correction on your belief. But do so with a rational and sound rebuttal. All you have done is blindly quote further cherry-picked scripture. IE Trolling.

 

[Curtis]

Eze 33:11 Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?'

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 5:39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
John 5:40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

The ultimate reason why some are saved and others not lies within people themselves, not within God.
All that God does in His predestining work is to give "confirmation" to the decision he knows people will make on their own.

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Those who are not saved (not elec) is because they refuse to believe!

That's not a lack of information, but a lack of will.

 

[KingJ]

@th1bill but even I might be interested to see a Scriptural Case presented against the Following of Calvin. Show me these Great Heresies with Scripture that is in the Greatest Context of Yehovah's recorded letters to us.

@Foghorn @th1bill

As I said to you on the other thread, see my post # 3 and post # 4 here.

Please, once you have read them, offer your rebuttal if you disagree. I would like to hear the defence for 5-point Calvinism. @Dylan569 and @Brightfame52 run from defence faster than a hypersonic missile .