Christian Heavy Metal

[oneup_shroom]

There is NO such thing as "Christian heavy metal".

I beg to disagree, there is actually a whole genre dedicated to it.

All heavy metal is evil by default regardless of it's lyrics because there is a deep spirit of rebellion that goes together with -and praise of the flesh: man and self, gore and some even glorify satan himself!

There is Metal and Heavy metal out there that does follow what you are talking about, and it does glorify Satan and is influenced deeply by the spirit of divination. The "spirit of rebellion" that you speak of is not referenced in the bible, but the act of rebellion can be traced back to the spirit of divination found in

1 Samuel 15:23
"For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry..."

Acts 16:16-18
"And as we went to prayer, it happened that a certain girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much gain by divining. The same followed Paul and us and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the Most High God, who are announcing to us the way of salvation. And she did this many days. But being distressed, and turning to the demonic spirit, Paul said, I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her! And it came out in that hour."

and other places.

There are secular metal bands created out of pain, suffering and the glorification of worldly acts and/or in direct reference and glorification of Satan himself. Not that there is much of a line there, anything that glorifies anything of the world is glorifying Satan.

But we are not talking about those bands in this thread.

Christian metal and Heavy metal have to be one of the most misunderstood genres of christian music. People don't understand how heavy guitars and screaming could in any way be referenced to the Lord. It's understandable, if your not into it and you judge it and the Christians that make it off of appearances.

The truth is the Bible does not reference anywhere which type of music is correct in the eyes of the Lord. Therefore genres are left up the the Holy Spirit and the discernment individuals receiving from the Holy Spirit. Music is an intimate act and christian music in my opinion is one of the most intimate ways of communicating with the Lord. So, also in my opinion, no matter what style or genre of music is being produced, if it is to be Christian then it cannot be made without prayer and communication with the Lord. So, to call something that is an intimate communication with the Lord evil, then you are calling the things of God evil.

As long as we are thinking of evil in the same context here, evil is anything against God or that opposes God. Then music used for communication and the glorification of the Lord cannot be logically labeled "EVIL".

Referencing the misunderstandings of screaming, it comes from a place of anger. It is used as an accent in music, a reinforcement of what the lyrics are saying. Before you argue with the anger as the source and how anger is of the Devil, remember that even our Lord gets angry.

One of my favorite artists Lacey Sturm from Flyleaf answers many questions about screaming, and explains it in one of the best ways I have ever heard in an interview.
The video is found on youtube, but I am not able to post links in this forum... its titled "Lacey Sturm: Questions about screaming" if you want to look it up.

"Some lyrics need to be screamed in order to get them out of your soul appropriately" - Lacey Sturm

Here are some of my favorite Christian Heavy Metal, Metal and Hard Rock Bands and some of their lyrics.... Can this really be labeled evil?

Demon Hunter - Undying
"Tearing through these days I find
The tolerance to strive and push on
I know what lies beyond this life for me is already won
No one can take away the blood that covers over my fall
Without the blood of perfect life
I know I'm nothing at all
So now I reign forever hallowed in eternity's hand
No man can shake me from the everlasting ground that I stand"

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Underoath - Some will Seek Forgiveness, Others Escape
"Hey unfaithful I will teach you
To be stronger, to be stronger.
Hey ungraceful I will teach you
To forgive one another."

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Flyleaf - Breathe Today
So many lies swirling,
All around you,
You're suffocating,
The empty shape in you,
Steals your breath,
You're suffocating.

Breathe!!!

Big enough to fill the void that's inside of you,
It's just a breath away.

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Faceless - What if I Don't?

If I don't have you
Life seems so meaningless
If I don't live for you
Why am I even here?

If I die tonight
Will I wake to Your face?
If I don't have you
What will I do?

 

[DutchChristian]

There is a evil spirit in that music BEWARE!

Isaiah 5:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

May God Give you Revelation of what Godly music really is and what metal is in Jesus Name AMEN

 

[oneup_shroom]

There is a evil spirit in that music BEWARE!

Isaiah 5:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

May God Give you Revelation of what Godly music really is and what metal is in Jesus Name AMEN

Respectfully may I ask what you believe to be "Godly music?"
And why do u believe there is an evil spirit involved in Christian metal?

I have seen many people's lives and souls saved through the Christian metal ministry. Also finding Christian metal and getting away from secular metal helped influence myself to not commit suicide but to seek out the lord instead. I'm not saying it was the only factor, but music is something that has always had a direct connection to my most inner self and I do notice that what I put in my ears directly effects what mood I am in and how well I can receive from God and leaders in the church.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

There is a evil spirit in that music BEWARE!

Isaiah 5:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

May God Give you Revelation of what Godly music really is and what metal is in Jesus Name AMEN

Yes I agree @DutchChristian

"The root of such music is psychedelic (hallucinations, mystical states etc originated in the rebellious culture of the 60s)........
It’s blatantly anti-Christ. But can Christian lyrics sanctify the origins? Does it make it less worldly? “Christian” metal tries to reach out to people with God’s Gospel using a medium that was birthed out of rebellion (Lucifer is the author of rebellion). Just because one listens to metal with a ‘christian’ touch does not sanctify the music. I seriously doubt God would use satanic origins of music, or anything else for that matter, to spread His Word. God has intentionally made the narrow road to be difficult, so that only those who truly love and obey Him will come to Him. It’s like finding an ancient structure of an idol, liking it and “sanctifying” it by praying over it or writing bible verses on it! Oftentimes Christians don’t realize that there’s no middle ground between God and Satan. It’s either one of the other. One cannot just be carnally involved with something and think they’re only doing it for “fun”, nothing serious. That’s an easy trap to get into. Trying to keep up with the carnal things with a touch of Christianity is a compromise, not a surrender to His Lordship"
(Article extract from thedaysofnoah from wordpress.com)


Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Colossians 3:16

See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Ephesians 5:15-21

 

[oneup_shroom]

So, since there is a worldly metal that is "evil".
Then therefore it makes Christian metal evil?

Just because a version of something exists in the world does it mean that it is no longer welcome in Christianity? Internet streaming, forums, and the engines and technology that the churches use today to spread the gospel online. We're primarily perfected and used in the pornographic industry to distribute videos and content. Does that therefore make using the Internet for Gods purposes "evil"?

Satanic chants use harmonizing vocals and are sometimes accompanied by a single stringed instrument or piano. Does that make Hymns evil?

Does anything that the devil distorts and uses to distroy, effectively disable the power God has in something?

 

[Fragrant Grace]

So, since there is a worldly metal that is "evil".
Then therefore it makes Christian metal evil?

Just because a version of something exists in the world does it mean that it is no longer welcome in Christianity? Internet streaming, forums, and the engines and technology that the churches use today to spread the gospel online. We're primarily perfected and used in the pornographic industry to distribute videos and content. Does that therefore make using the Internet for Gods purposes "evil"?

Satanic chants use harmonizing vocals and are sometimes accompanied by a single stringed instrument or piano. Does that make Hymns evil?

Does anything that the devil distorts and uses to distroy, effectively disable the power God has in something?

Greetings @oneup_shroom

If you read through the thread I think you will find all the answers to what you have questioned above.

Whilst as you will see through my previous replies I am someone who doesn't agree with this type of music......I do praise the Lord for your salvation and know that He can lead lost souls to Himself through many means.

Commit your questions to Lord, asking Him to lead you in the way which is right....and trust that He will show you the way.
He will, because His word says so

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths.
Proverbs 3:5-6

May the Lord bless you brother

 

[oneup_shroom]

@DutchChristianand @Fragrant Grace

God's been pressing me kinda hard about how I was handling the way I feel about this subject and how I represented him in this argument.
The battle is not against flesh and blood, and its definitely not against other Christians. So, I would like to apologize about the manor in which I approached this, I was aggressive and attacked both of you in frustration. Instead of properly forging my arguments for the purpose of debate.

I hope you can forgive me for my transgressions against both of you.

Thank you,

Oneup_shroom

 

[Fragrant Grace]

@DutchChristianand @Fragrant Grace

God's been pressing me kinda hard about how I was handling the way I feel about this subject and how I represented him in this argument.
The battle is not against flesh and blood, and its definitely not against other Christians. So, I would like to apologize about the manor in which I approached this, I was aggressive and attacked both of you in frustration. Instead of properly forging my arguments for the purpose of debate.
I hope you can forgive me for my transgressions against both of you.
Thank you,

Oneup_shroom

@oneup_shroom

Thank you for your humble message Oneup_shroom, no need to apologize

Commit any battle within you to the Lord, wait on Him and He will lead you

May the Lord richly bless you brother as you seek His will in these matters.

There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken
John 21:45

 

[DutchChristian]

@DutchChristianand @Fragrant Grace

God's been pressing me kinda hard about how I was handling the way I feel about this subject and how I represented him in this argument.
The battle is not against flesh and blood, and its definitely not against other Christians. So, I would like to apologize about the manor in which I approached this, I was aggressive and attacked both of you in frustration. Instead of properly forging my arguments for the purpose of debate.

I hope you can forgive me for my transgressions against both of you.

Thank you,

Oneup_shroom

Hello Oneup_shroom,

all is forgiven!

Hallelujah!

Good if you are obedient to The LORD His Prompting and i hope one day you will realise the Truth of what was spoken about heavy metal never being able to be Christian, also i pray you will stop listenening to that kind of music (even try for a few months listen only to Godly music and notice the difference) as heavy metal music does not help you in any way in your walk spiritually it is a hindrance and sucks you down into worldly lusts and rebellion even more. Also not good for your attitude. Beware: there are evil spirits manifesting in that heavy metal music! They come to play around with your mind, no good can come from this music!

Romans 12:
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The (KJV) Bible is the Word of God

God Bless you!,
dutch

 

[papajim]

What are your views on Christian heavy metal?

Hello DraKKar,
I'm was a rock and roller from way back in my teen years, in fact I use to pray that God would make me a famous musician in the rock world not thinking that there was anything wrong with it. I had been in several bands playing the guitar I even played heavy metal. When I came to Jesus I decided to put the world behind me, I wanted to be seperated from all that I was, and live for Him. At first as a kid I struggled with rock music I liked it, but found it never gave me any kind of peace, in fact I could never sleep while it was playing, I would find myself listening to it instead of sleeping. When I became a christian I did let it all go and found peace in a music that glorified God instead of the musician or the music itself. My personal belief now is that the music of the world and the words of praise to God do not mix as oil and water do not mix. I have been where you are and find that rock music is not inspired by God, but this is my personal views on the matter. Jesus said that we are to be in the world, but not of the world, and that we cannot serve two masters.The world does not belong in the church so I let go of the world. If we look like the world, dress like the world, live like the world, eat, sleep, and listen to the music of the world, we are of the world. As I said these are my own personal views coming from the rock world myself.

 

[kyval82]

If the music is truley christian, then i think it is wonderful no matter the style. some christians prefer country others rock etc. younger christians really enjoy the style of heavy metal and are able to get a blessing from christian heavy metal. i say positive

 

[Estrella]

I notice that sometimes people cannot distinguish between rock and metal or between subcategories of metal. I suppose it's normal for those who aren't particularly interested in these genres.
I believe it's the lyrics that make Christian music, not the musical genre.
And even among secular metal bands there are many that are encouraging for good and uplifting, not destructive. That's specially within power or speed metal.
There are some Christian metal bands I love, specially; HB, Theocracy, Narnia (because don't forget that Scandinavia is THE area of metal music and that's true also about Christian metal), Divinefire, Harmony, Eterna, Logos, Golden Resurrection.

 

[Shutterbug]

I appreciate this thread is a tad dated. While at work this past Sunday, a program came on the radio which featured Christian Rock. I know my ears aren't the best. While I could follow the instrumentals and the DJ making periodic announcements, the words to the songs were basically gibberish. For a lark, I did a quick recce on Youtube for Christian Metal. Of the 15 groups featured in one clip, I could only make sense of the words of one group which seemed closer to Folk than Metal. The rest was basically garbage. Perhaps I'm a bit Old School, but I believe a line exists regarding what is useful. I'm not suggesting that all hymns in a hymnal are automatically approved, but I can understand them whereas someone screaming into an over driven mike is equivalent to listening to a gas turbine set to a high throttle setting. Cheers, John

 

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I appreciate this thread is a tad dated. While at work this past Sunday, a program came on the radio which featured Christian Rock. I know my ears aren't the best. While I could follow the instrumentals and the DJ making periodic announcements, the words to the songs were basically gibberish. For a lark, I did a quick recce on Youtube for Christian Metal. Of the 15 groups featured in one clip, I could only make sense of the words of one group which seemed closer to Folk than Metal. The rest was basically garbage. Perhaps I'm a bit Old School, but I believe a line exists regarding what is useful. I'm not suggesting that all hymns in a hymnal are automatically approved, but I can understand them whereas someone screaming into an over driven mike is equivalent to listening to a gas turbine set to a high throttle setting. Cheers, John

yes if you read the Bible to me in Greek or Hebrew, i wouldn't understand hardly a word of it. it'd sound like gibberish to me.

but that wouldn't mean that it isn't the Word of God, now would it?

it would mean that i can't understand the language, and mean nothing with regards to the message or content or merit.