Christian identifying as jesus/god himself

[zeth4500]

Hey i had a talk with one christian guy about the coming judgement day- he dismayed it as that he already faced judgement day and himself had become jesus and continued to identify himself as being god
ive tried googling it a bit but absolutely nothing coming up, is this some vague form of blasphemy? i feel like it ties in with satanism where they consider themselves to be their own god- thoughts?

 

[Brad Huber]

he is not a christian if he feels he himself is god, none of us seen him coming on the clouds with 10 thousand of His holy ones.

 

[Dylan569]

Hey i had a talk with one christian guy about the coming judgement day- he dismayed it as that he already faced judgement day and himself had become jesus and continued to identify himself as being god
ive tried googling it a bit but absolutely nothing coming up, is this some vague form of blasphemy? i feel like it ties in with satanism where they consider themselves to be their own god- thoughts?

I'll give an example of such a person making such claims, who is indeed a Christian. When I was a teenager, our boys' Sunday School class was taught by a very kind and good Christian gentleman. For some reason, one day he was found on a street corner preaching, and claiming to be Jesus. He developed a mental illness and spent some time in a mental hospital, and back then he even suffered the horrible electric shock treatments, which he begged his wife to make them stop. To my memory, in his recovery, I do not remember him ever becoming stable in his mental condition. What person can explain God's decree as it concerned this Christian man?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Not surprising really. There are cults that people belong to, and one that a few years ago had to be pruned from Talk Jesus, that believed and followed a returned Jesus who happened to be in the body of a woman. Pretty dangerous folks even by the World's standards. The Chinese Government was after them! You also have New Age folks that believe basically the same as this person you've talked to does but with a twist. Some even call it Christ Consciousness which probably has more to do with the characteristics of Jesus being personified in the individual.

Maybe he took to heart what Jesus had said to the religious folks of His day, of which almost got Him stoned!

Jhn 10:34-39 NKJV - 34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?* 35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? 37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe* that the Father [is] in Me, and I in Him." 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

Is it influenced by Satan, or is there another underlying issue affecting this person's mind that requires healing? It is difficult to determine, but it is certain that he needs prayer, even if he may not realize it.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[KingJ]

Hey i had a talk with one christian guy about the coming judgement day- he dismayed it as that he already faced judgement day and himself had become jesus and continued to identify himself as being god
ive tried googling it a bit but absolutely nothing coming up, is this some vague form of blasphemy? i feel like it ties in with satanism where they consider themselves to be their own god- thoughts?

Did you not maybe misinterpret him?

There is a movement called the 'Christ - life' movement. They teach that they are 'one' with Christ. In an odd sense. What they say, Jesus says as He is in them, kind of teaching.

 

[th1bill]

Zeth4500, if you understood him correctly he is committing a great heresy.

 

[zeth4500]

Not surprising really. There are cults that people belong to, and one that a few years ago had to be pruned from Talk Jesus, that believed and followed a returned Jesus who happened to be in the body of a woman. Pretty dangerous folks even by the World's standards. The Chinese Government was after them! You also have New Age folks that believe basically the same as this person you've talked to does but with a twist. Some even call it Christ Consciousness which probably has more to do with the characteristics of Jesus being personified in the individual.

Maybe he took to heart what Jesus had said to the religious folks of His day, of which almost got Him stoned!

Jhn 10:34-39 NKJV - 34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?* 35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? 37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe* that the Father [is] in Me, and I in Him." 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

Is it influenced by Satan, or is there another underlying issue affecting this person's mind that requires healing? It is difficult to determine, but it is certain that he needs prayer, even if he may not realize it.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
\o/
<><

i felt a "THATS IT" when you mentioned christ conciousness. hes always all lovey-dovey excessive on the love and peace and acceptance, and has struggled with smoking weed- much like these modern hippies.
and no doubt, new age as exposed by one ex-satanist was created by the satanists to delude and mislead people, mark something, he did speeches after coming to christ- so now i have some questions to ask this guy and can maybe guide him towards the actual light better.

 

[zeth4500]

Zeth4500, if you understood him correctly he is committing a great heresy.

how so? i totally side with you but nothing of the bible comes up when i try to think about it, if anything satanism comes up where they consider themselves to be god, the religion of the ego.

 

[Curtis]

No body can be called “a son of God” until you first have “the Son of living inside you”

 

[Brad Huber]

sons of God applies to everything God created with sentience, THE Son of God is Jesus.

 

[th1bill]

how so? i totally side with you but nothing of the bible comes up when i try to think about it, if anything satanism comes up where they consider themselves to be god, the religion of the ego.

there is a single Triune God and that entity is Creator God. Claiming to be God denies Yashuah, Ruah, and worst of all Yeshuah and short of begging forgiveness condemns one to Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Dylan569]

I'll give an example of such a person making such claims, who is indeed a Christian. When I was a teenager, our boys' Sunday School class was taught by a very kind and good Christian gentleman. For some reason, one day he was found on a street corner preaching, and claiming to be Jesus. He developed a mental illness and spent some time in a mental hospital, and back then he even suffered the horrible electric shock treatments, which he begged his wife to make them stop. To my memory, in his recovery, I do not remember him ever becoming stable in his mental condition. What person can explain God's decree as it concerned this Christian man?

A verse comes to mind:
"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Matt 24:5 AKJV/PCE)

These claiming to be Christ, the Messiah are doing so in order to deceive. A person mentally ill is not intentionally trying to deceive someone in a rational manner, then there is this:

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Matt 24:24 KJV)

What you describe in your OP does not sound rational enough to deceive anyone. It sounds as if he is indeed mentally ill.

 

[zeth4500]

there is a single Triune God and that entity is Creator God. Claiming to be God denies Yashuah, Ruah, and worst of all Yeshuah and short of begging forgiveness condemns one to Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

Yashuah? isnt that a hebrew name for jesus?

 

[zeth4500]

A verse comes to mind:
"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Matt 24:5 AKJV/PCE)

These claiming to be Christ, the Messiah are doing so in order to deceive. A person mentally ill is not intentionally trying to deceive someone in a rational manner, then there is this:

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Matt 24:24 KJV)

What you describe in your OP does not sound rational enough to deceive anyone. It sounds as if he is indeed mentally ill.

welp- rebuke is still required. i believe most illness, psychological, is tied to evil spirits and he did indeed struggle with cannabis addiction, albeit a very weak psychedelic really any substance that messes with your brains frequencies and makes you produce more happy-hormones makes you a target, also with conciousness being fogged and confused youre an easier prey, its not unusual to see weed addiction leading to nightmare level schizophrenia which in my view, is just some level of demonic possession. thank you for the verses, i dont knew i had read something along these lines or ahem- heard, because i use audiobook rather than reading so i dont waste my time when driving to work. god bless

 

[Rhema]

is this some vague form of blasphemy?

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?​

- Matthew 10:24-25 KJV

and himself had become jesus and continued to identify himself as being god

Ask him who he has raised from the dead lately.

Rhema

 

[Dylan569]

Yashuah? isnt that a hebrew name for jesus?

When in an English speaking forum, where the English translations of the Bible are used and would be expected, I always wondered why some use the words like Yashuah, Ruah, Yeshuah. I could not find any of those three words in the Merriam-Webster dictionary of English.

In the Jewish Encyclopedia I could not find "Yashuah" or "Yeshuah", but I did find an article to come up under "Ruah" and it is a long and complicated article. In that article is the following paragraph denying the NT view of "Ruah", or the "Holy Spirit".

"But as the New Testament writers look upon the Messiah, who is actually identified with the Holy Spirit, as having arrived, their view assumes a form fundamentally different from that of the Jewish view in certain respects; i.e., as regards: (1) the conception and birth of the Messiah through the Holy Spirit (Matt. i. 18 et seq.; Luke i. 35; John iii. 5-8); (2) the speaking in different tongues ("glossolalia"; Acts ii. et passim): (3) the materialistic view of the Holy Spirit, evidenced in the idea that it may be communicated by means of the breath (e.g., John xx. 22); and (4) the strongly developed view of the personality of the Holy Spirit (comp., for example, Matt. xii. 32; Acts v. 3; I Cor. iii. 16; Eph. ii. 22; I Peter ii. 5" HOLY SPIRIT - JewishEncyclopedia.com

I do not understand why one would use a Hebrew name for the Holy Spirit, when the Jews who speak that language deny the Person of the Holy Spirit, denying the Triune God. Is it some esoteric sect or cult that writes like that, specifically for the initiated? Or is the modern version of the Judaizers that the Apostle Paul strongly condemned?

 

[Rhema]

I do not understand why one would use a Hebrew name for the Holy Spirit, when the Jews who speak that language deny the Person of the Holy Spirit, denying the Triune God. Is it some esoteric sect or cult that writes like that, specifically for the initiated? Or is the modern version of the Judaizers that the Apostle Paul strongly condemned?

Some people just like to think they're better than others.

 

[zeth4500]

Some people just like to think they're better than others.

yes ive been warned of using different names as to make me different from other christians, a form of pedanticism and maybe leading away from whats simple and true- one hardcore christian did a talk on this and mentioned that these people may be mislead and this may be the first warning sign of something withdrawing them from what christianity is, and is about

I do not understand why one would use a Hebrew name for the Holy Spirit, when the Jews who speak that language deny the Person of the Holy Spirit, denying the Triune God.

synagogue of satan yea, the hexagram star tying into saturn (which sounds like what?)
it is a bit confusing when reading into the bible and jesus is called rabbi and king of the jews and what not- while he represents the antithesis of what judaism represents

 

[Rhema]

yes ive been warned of using different names as to make me different from other christians, a form of pedanticism and maybe leading away from whats simple and true- one hardcore christian did a talk on this and mentioned that these people may be mislead and this may be the first warning sign of something withdrawing them from what christianity is, and is about

Then again, you have "Goyim" Messianic Jews, like non-Jewish people blowing shofars, dancing around and wearing yarmulkes, shawls and the star of Remphan in the name of Jesus. I never quite understood that. And also, when one understands the functional equivalent of Rabbi is Pastor, we do have direct teachings of Christ to not be called Pastor. (So I don't get that either.)

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.​

(Matthew 23:8 KJV)

I don't seek separation as a means to be different or better for the sake of being different or better, but I know my views are pretty radical to Evangelicals. From my perspective there are three major branches of Christianity based upon the two most fundamental doctrines of Soteriology (how people get saved) and Ecclesiastical Authority (who's in charge) and these would be Catholic, Protestant, and Pentecostal. One does need to acknowledge the differences that exist, but sometimes "special words" are the theological equivalent of Identity Politics (... Identity Religion?).

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:​

(Matthew 20:25-27 KJV)

while he represents the antithesis of what judaism represents

I would suggest that Jesus represents the antithesis of what Judaism had become, not what God had intended Judaism to be.

And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.​

(Exodus 20:19 KJV)

Back from almost day one, their faith was "let NOT God speak with us," when His idea was radically different -

But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.​

(Jeremiah 7:23 KJV)

And yes, Jesus shut down the blood sacrifices and burnt offerings, in accordance with Jeremiah:

For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.​

(Jeremiah 7:22 NRSV)

the hexagram star tying into saturn (which sounds like what?)

I'm not sure we can make much of similar sounding names (sounds like Santa, right? Or saint...) but we do have this declaration from Stephen (and yet another proof for the widespread use of the LXX).

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.​

(Acts 7:43 KJV)

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Raephan, the images of them which ye made for yourselves.​

(Amos 5:26 Brenton - LXX)

Remphan linking to Saturn. (Nice to meet someone else who knows this.)

Rhema

Rephan, which is by them substituted for Chiun, is said to be the Egyptian name for Saturn (see Spencer, de Leg. Heb. p. 667)

 

[zeth4500]

sometimes "special words" are the theological equivalent of Identity Politics

agree, pedantic and sah-tanic, seeking to oppose for mere redundancy

I would suggest that Jesus represents the antithesis of what Judaism had become, not what God had intended Judaism to be.

i think there are verses which in their holy book very much contradict the principles of christianity, maybe they were under demonic influence when they wrote it - some very morbid stuff in that thing, which makes the whole uh, mystery meat found in fastfood a bit of a "ah.." moment - my wife is not very keen on eating mcdonalds anymore so to speak..

the hexagram, if you look closely contains a cube in 3D which furthers if we should question the origins of that one faith where uh, they worship a cube, and theres a lot on that one as well with them worshipping some evil pagan god, the cube.. kubal..? the cabal.. kabbalah?
i spoke to an atheist which insisted that christians must follow the law of moses, which is really to me proving that the law of moses is really not something for us to follow - because thats the only thing they got but its already dealt with. its very interesting to talk to the opposition because they will highlight things for us to pay attention to and live by