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A new movie is being released this December that teaches your children that God Almighty is a phony, that He can be killed by the hands of a man and that Atheism is the true way of living.

The new movie written by Philip Pullman is a direct act of vengeance against the Christian faith and is there to fill the minds of children with lies from Satan himself.

Read these articles or google for "golden compass atheism"

WorldNetDaily: An atheist's 'Narnia' knockoff

'Golden Compass' author denies promoting atheism in books

The film is made with beauty and wonder, but like the Bible said:

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
 
I have read about this as well, I will not recommend this movie to anyone. The writer of these books hates CS Lewis and the Narnia series, this was his attempt to answer those books. It just goes to prove who Hollywood is really marketing too, just sad!

NC
 
These things come and go, but God and the faithfull remain. Remember The Da Vinci Code and the gospel of Judas? It died, as well as all other attempts at trying to make God none existent. But yes, keep your loved ones warned about bad company, and bad taste in films.

God bless
 
Article from Gotquestions.org Today.

Question: "How should Christians react to 'The Golden Compass' movie?"

Answer: How should Christians react to “The Golden Compass,” the new movie based on a book by Phillip Pullman? Questions are being raised about the content of the film, given the anti-religious slant of the books and their author. The book series "His Dark Materials" on which "The Golden Compass" is based is aggressively anti-Christian. There are ample reasons for Christians to avoid supporting this series through movie tickets or book sales. It would be counterproductive to stage protests, overt boycotts, or other measures, since that would only give free publicity to the studio selling the film. At the same time, "The Golden Compass" has to be taken seriously by Christian families because the source material is explicitly anti-Christian, and targeted at children. Christian parents and children alike should be prepared to answer some of the false claims made by this series.

The Golden Compass is the first book in a trilogy called “His Dark Materials.” The author, Philip Pullman, is a vocal atheist who is particularly critical of Catholicism. In the trilogy, the church is evil, controlling, ignorant, intolerant of dissent, and sadistic. Pullman does not disguise the church as some other entity, but attacks it more or less directly. The books use terms like “original sin,” “baptized as a Christian,” “Vatican Council,” and “magisterium.” "The Golden Compass" is, compared to its sequels, subtle in its attacks on Christianity. The second and third books become more and more “preachy,” and more overtly hostile to Christianity. The movie can be expected to follow the same pattern: the anti-religious rhetoric in "The Golden Compass" will likely be subtle, or even downplayed. Successive movies will not be able to do the same thing without completely changing the story.

Pullman leaves no doubt about his beliefs and his intentions. He has been referred to as “The Pied Piper of Atheism” for his powerful ability to tell children’s stories and his distaste for religion. Are the books deliberately atheistic? Pullman has stated, “My books are about killing God,” Are they anti-Christian? Again, Pullman has said, “I’m trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief,” and “If there is a God, and he is as the Christians describe him, then he deserves to be put down and rebelled against.” During the book trilogy, a major character intones, “The Christian religion is a powerful and convincing mistake, that’s all.” It would be dishonest for anyone to claim that this trilogy, which "The Golden Compass" is a part of, is not deliberately anti-Christian.

The messages conveyed in the series are not compatible with a Christian outlook, either. The main character is named Lyra, because she is a habitual liar. Her lies are intended for purely selfish reasons, and there is never a point in the trilogy where she learns that such things are wrong. Part of her journey in the series includes having a sexual experience as very young teen, which the author portrays as a part of her outgrowing religious control. She represents a “second Eve,” whose rebellion against God is meant to be applauded as a quest for knowledge.

The Golden Compass, along with any other works connected to the “His Dark Material's” trilogy, are certainly anti-Christian both in content and intent. The advertising of this movie has been very misleading about the religious message it conveys. The trilogy, both books and presumably the movies, introduce atheistic themes gradually, luring children into the story as a way to slip the message in. Advertisements are comparing “The Golden Compass” to “The Lord of the Rings” and “The Chronicles of Narnia.” Pullman’s work is, morally, the polar opposite of Tolkien and Lewis. Scholastic has even created a school curriculum set, including all three books, as a part of public school reading programs.

Works such as these need to be countered, but only in a Christ-like way. At their core, the “His Dark Materials” stories are a fantasy setting for the atheistic worldview, where death is the end of everything, all morals are subjective, and any idea of God is a tool for evil. Christians should not respond in ways that play into Pullman’s stereotypes of believers as ignorant, oppressive, and bigoted. A loving, polite response combined with truthful answers can turn the release of “The Golden Compass” into a great opportunity to witness for Christ’s sake.
 
Yah the first time I have heard of this movie coming out I had no idea that it would be like this. I thought it would be a cute little adventure story for kids like the Chronicles of Narnia. At first I thought it would be cool to see because of the talking animals but then I heard that it was a movie that puts down God. I was stunned. I also watched the first 5 minutes on yahoo and that made it really unattractive because of the fact that all it shows is the girl being a brat and a liar with the line "My mother put a curse on this gate" (sorry quote might be inaccurate) when there was no curse she was trying to scare some boys off. it was really sad and i turned it off. And to think that the girl has a sexual affair her friend is purely disgusting...there both like 10 years old. *shudders* But ya i'm staying away from this movie and sticking with the Chronicles of Narina.
 
I've never really got what the fuss about stories like this is all about, I read the His Dark Materials books when they came out (i think i was about 14 -15 at the time) and I loved them. That trilogy was a massive part of my spiritual development into the strong man of God I am today. It made me think about the world around me more and really sparked my imagination. It challenged my faith as a young man taking his first steps into a cold scary world and I became stronger because of it.

The thing to remember when approaching stuff like the Golden Compass ( Northern Lights if you want to pick up the original book in england) is that it is a work of FICTION, just like the da vinci code, Harry Potter and LoTR. The His Dark Materials books may seem subversive and anti religion but if we whip ourselves up into a rightious frenzy about them we not only play into the hands of our detractors but we throw the baby out with the bath water.

I have always been a fan of fantasy fiction since I first read The Hobbit with my dad at bed times when i was 7. I could tell the difference between fact and fiction then and I still can now; works of FICTION like the Golden Compass exist purely to stimulate our imaginations and entertain our minds. Phillip Pullman could depict the church as being ran from a sinister obsidian death tower by an evil dictator who eats babies for breakfast lunch and tea for all I care, the fact would remain that it is FICTION.

The magisterium is so far removed from what I know to be the church and Pullman's dipiction of God in the Amber Spyglass is so obviously different from what I know to be God that it dosen't bother me in the slightest; its just a very good work of FICTION.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you don't like the story Pullman is telling, just don't experience it, please for my (and a number of other peoples) sake don't tell anyone its evil or a way for the devil to twist the minds of our children. I even encourage you to get your teenage kids to read the His Dark Materials books if they like to read and havn't already; it will definatly make for some very interesting convosations about the larger questions of life. You've just got to have the right answers, God's answers
 
My sister picked up the book sister day at Stop abd Shop, and she pointed out how they mispelled the word demon...it was daemon and the " a & e" was joined together.

I understand you enjoy these books Derrial, they might not have any effect on you, but I dont see how entertaining it is to kids to have demons and play with them.

I've never in my life growing up read books telling me I have demons inside to discover. If Christ lives in me, how can I go on a website (Golden Compass officail website ) to meet my demon. I know its a different generation yes its friction.

But to package something with that kind of message for kids, does not sit well with me.


You're mature ,but what about those who are not.

Check this vid.

http://www.talkjesus.com/streaming-video/17426-golden-compass-side-look.html
 
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My children and I are not going to watch this movie as watching the movie supports the person who wrote the books that the movie is based upon. The devil will use any way he can to lure children and others into his trap. By making people think this is merely a work of fiction is one way the devil lures people into his trap. The Bible , God's Word , is very specific in telling us not to conform to the world or it's ways. We are to be set apart , a peculiar people so to speak. we are not to do the same things as those who are of the world. We, as Christians, are to set an example for others in Christ.

God tells us to hold no part with the world. If something is not of God then we , as Christians , should not be watching it, reading it or partaking of it, in any way. Does this movie bring glory to God or does it glorify evil ? It is about demons and sorcery and trying to kill God ultimately in the end,thereby it is glorifying evil not God. The answer is in that simple statement , if it does not glorify God then we, as Christians, should not be partaking of it.
 
To rizen1, the fact that the animal aspect of people's personalities are called daemons in the books and th movie are just Pullman trying to ruffle you feathers; if he had called them hobbits you probably wouldn't be bothered. all I'm saying is that we owe it to our kids to let them make their own decisions about these things. I understand and respect the fact that you want to protect your sister/children from negative influences but these influences will only become negative if you allow them to. My mother told me that the His Dark Materials books would make me question alot of things and that that was OK as long as I talked to her or one of the church elders about it. It wasn't like she was forbidding me to do something, (because then as a child and a teenager I would obviously have gone against it :P) she seemed to be simply giving me helpful advice.

To WingsOfSilver, the books are not about scorcery or demons, they are about alternative science and the multiverse theory of existence (a theory that entertains me no end). The books are nothing other than FICTION. Saying they are anything other than a very good story only adds fuel to Pullman's fire. Take the case of the movie Dogma by Kevin Smith for example. The American catholic right were giving him so much extra publicity that he actually joined thier picket lines outside one of the cinemas to show his support. Thats what happens when we get on our moral high horses about a subject that is basically a waste of time and energy: your not making a stand for God, your making a laughing stock out of him and giving the "neutral" press something more to say about 'crazy christians'. If you want to be angry and rightiously indignant about a subject pick any of these:
1) The ineffectual war on drugs.
2) The crisis in Iraq.
3) The people dieing every day in Darfur.
4) The millions going hungry this christmas.
5) Teenage pregnency and obesity.
the list goes on...
 
Der ... In response to your statement: "...we owe it to our kids to let them make their own decisions about these things.", I simply MUST reply: Every parent who names the name of Jesus owes it to their kids to guide them and teach them Godliness ... this includes teaching them to wisely choose that which goes into their eyes, their ears, their mouths, and it is our duty to restrict their movie viewing to that which is healthy; uplifting; and, if we want them to honor God, we must restrict their movie viewing to those few that honor Him.

Also, you state: "If you want to be angry and rightiously indignant about a subject pick any of these: 1) The ineffectual war on drugs. 2) The crisis in Iraq. 3) The people dieing every day in Darfur. 4) The millions going hungry this christmas. 5) Teenage pregnency and obesity."
First, let me state ... It is not anger or unrighteous indignation that has moved those who posted here to do so. What I glean from these posts is their desire to make their brothers and sisters aware of the potential harm in allowing children to see this film or read these books; and to educate their brothers and sisters to the total disrespect to our God made very very clear in this film.

As to your points 1 through 5 ... they are excellent points. How will we, though, teach our children to make a stand against these things if we "allow them to form their own opinions" about them? You are apparently teaching your children that they must fight for human good, so you are not really allowing them to form their own opinions. I imagine you put before them information concerning these things and guide them to make intelligent, wise, and compassionate decisions.

So it is as has been done through these posts.

Again, back to your 5 points. These are all signs of the conclusion of this system of things; signs of the last days and the imminent return of the Lord. It is IMPERATIVE we teach our kids that the only REAL solution to these things is the Kingdom of God; that we teach them each individual heart will move in the direction he knows to be True ... If that one is taught and guided in the right direction. If you teach your child he is lost without Jesus and must admit he is a sinner, repent of that sin, turn to Jesus for restoration to right relationship with God .. encourage your child to be baptised in the name of Jesus, thereby giving your child the greatest gift he could ever receive ... to be born again into Life in Christ, to be indwelt by the Spirit of God, who will Teach, Guide, Love, Encourage your child to make the decisions that are best for him and ultimately best for all with whom he comes in contact ... Your child will tell them about Jesus so that they too will make their decision.

Make sense?
 
By the way, I will probably never be able to find this again, so ..... !

God Bless you one and all
And remember ... If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything!
 
Great books

I read these books ages ago, beginning with The Golden Compass. I loved them! Great fantasy, neat characters, and excellent overall themes. If God is really as accepting as you guys claim, wouldn't he embrace such creativity? Wouldn't he be accepting of a little doubt on his behalf? I mean, really, he created man to be inquisitive, curious, and intelligent. If man has a few doubts about the Divine, don't you think God would understand and accept it?

In my opinion, if your Christian God is really as noble as you say he is, he will love people regardless of their view on him.
 
Evo your point makes alot of sense but I think its one for another day (or thread), it seems to me that the subject is wether we as christians should alow our children to watch films and read books like the Golden Compass not wether it is redundant as a story. Obviously most of my brothers and sisters have decided Pullman's books are both socially poisonous and a bad influence on our children but as you can tell from my previous posts I disagree totally. If our children are as strong in Christ as they should be they'll make the right decisions independant of our discipline and censorship either by not going to see the movie, not reading the books or by doing both and becoming stronger in christ as a result.

O2B I'm not totally sure where your coming from with this:
As to your points 1 through 5 ... they are excellent points. How will we, though, teach our children to make a stand against these things if we "allow them to form their own opinions" about them? You are apparently teaching your children that they must fight for human good, so you are not really allowing them to form their own opinions. I imagine you put before them information concerning these things and guide them to make intelligent, wise, and compassionate decisions.
So unless you elaborate I won't be able to respond.

With regards to censoring what our kids watch I can agree with you there on most points, exept when you say we should bring up our children by "teaching them to wisely choose that which goes into their eyes, their ears and their mouths" in this case surley cencorship is the wrong choice. don't get me wrong i'm not saying we should let our kids watch stuff like Aliens, Friday the 13th and other such movies but total cencorship of all secular movies (which is what I believe you are suggesting) removes choice. How is a child/teenager going to choose what media is right to consume if all you let them watch is the God Channel and Prince of Egypt?
 
Do you know what makes Satan so good at deceiving us? He knows the Word better than we do. Don't you think that by watching the movie that we could get some insight into the enemies plans? How can we argue that the movie is evil if we have not seen it ourselves? By all means keep your children far from it, and those that are weak in the faith or non-believers if you can but if you have a solid foundation in Christ and pray for the Holy Spirit to not let you be deceived, then I think it is vital for Christians to watch this movie so that we can be prepared for the battle that is to come. Jesus sent his sheep amongst wolves. We must not be afraid to go into the world, amongst evil and sin. We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and use the "helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit" and fight this spiritual battle with full force.
 
thats a very good point pebo maby we should be massing all over the world to watch the Golden Compass, know your enemy and all that

If you don't want to support Philip Pullman's evil anti religious hate empire (I'm sure hes planning the march on the vatican any minute now :P) why not download it? Just see the thing before deciding its evil
 
There's no debate about it. If you like it thats your personal choice.
Our christian walk is personal, our family is personal.

If I we choose to speak the truth about the movie, its for those who what to hear it. There's no need to defend it, or try to sugar coat it.
People find entertainment in anything, if kids playing with demons is "Hot" as Paris hilton would say then let it be Hot, go read it go watch it, but dont defend material that promotes things Christians should have no part of.

The book is friction, yes....but how can I teach my Sunday school kids that demons are bad when their schools push books that advertise daemons and magic as cool.

As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, I dont care if its friction I just cant see kids finding their demons entertaining...go in the website seriously tell me is it good for kids to go and find their demons.

We're suppose to be directing our kids to the light of God, all things good and pure. Not foolish fairy tales. Look at this generation they live in a virtual world where they cant express themselves when reality hit them, they grab a gun and head to school. This generation needs more positive media.

Show me scripture where it says its ok to entertain these material then I would go out and buy tickets for everyone to see it.

All I know is that God wants us to be Holy.

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hastening unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?" II Peter 3:10-12

God wants us to be separate from the world.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteous? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of god with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." II Corinthians 6:14-18.

This is a Christian website, so please use the bible to validate your views.


1 Thessalonians 5:22
22Abstain from ALL appearance of evil.


Fiction and real would fall under all
 
the fact that the animal aspect of people's personalities are called daemons in the books and th movie are just Pullman trying to ruffle you feathers; if he had called them hobbits you probably wouldn't be bothered.

I know its a repost but I'm just making sure you saw it rizen1, don't want anyone to think I'm glorifying demonic powers. Iust trying to make sure we raise our kids in a manner that equips them to protect themselves from the flaming arrows of the enemy when we're not around to do it for them.

Remember the man who built his house on sand? Institutionisation of kids via social media black out is exactly that, building their defences against the enemy on sand. In my opinion guidence through spiritual obsticals will set our children's spiritual foundations in stone. Foundations that will support them for the rest of their life.
 
Rizen1, I agree with you. We should not be a part of this world and it's evil ways. I was by no means encouraging us to be a part of these things. I was merely pointing out that in order to fight the spiritual battle we need to know what the enemies plans are. So far we only know from others what the "Golden Compass" is about, and how do those people know these things if they didn't watch it? Or read the books? I don't go and watch anything that is remotely evil, and I do not want to watch the Golden Compass for my own pleasure. I want to go and see for myself what it is about so that when someone asks me what is evil/wrong about it I have the knowledge to debate it. The enemy usually has the upper hand because he knows both sides. They come to our churches, read our bibles, come onto forums like this to get information etc. Aren't we being stupid by closing ourselves off totally to their side? There is a big difference between taking a part in their evil ways and finding out what their ways are.

All the verses about the world and it's traditions and evil ways are not telling us to stay as far away from it as possible, it tells us to not let ourselves be affected by it or do it for the same reasons they do - for pleasure or to sin. I believe knowledge is very important. We might not be of this world but we still live in the world. And we live in the world still for a very simple reason. To seek and save the lost. How can we seek and save the lost if we keep to ourselves? We need to "go into the world and preach the gospel". Where will you find the lost? Wherever there is lots of sin.
 
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Derrial, I know what you are trying to say, but about letting our children watch it I must disagree. Raising our children in God's way is our primary task. By all means tell them about evil, but don't let them go and watch it so that they can be deceived, besides the fact that we will make them scared and cause many nightmares and unwanted fears.

I know we can't keep them from this evil world, but we can teach them what is right and wrong. How can we tell them it's wrong and then let them go and watch it as a "fictional" story? Evil is not fictional. It is real. The fact that the movie is classified as fiction is a cover up for those of us who are ignorant to the fact that Satan is trying to deceive many into following or believing his ways.

The point I was trying to make was not to support it, but to use it to gain knowledge of the enemies plans.

Our children are our responsibility and we will have to account for what we've allowed them to do and what we've taught them while they were in our care. What they do with it after we are gone or once we've done our godly duty is then up to them which they will have to account for. Your job is just to train them in the right way.

Proverbs 22:6 "Train your child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it."
 
Rizen1, I agree with you. We should not be a part of this world and it's evil ways
Amen

I was by no means encouraging us to be a part of these things. I was merely pointing out that in order to fight the spiritual battle we need to know what the enemies plans are.
I know you werent encouraging anything, my post was not a personal attach for any response. Our Christian walk is a personal one like I mentioned above.

There's a song that says " I went to the enemy's camp and I took back what he stole from me he's under my feet, satan is under my feet "
I love that song, straight to the point...in his camp for one reason.

So far we only know from others what the "Golden Compass" is about, and how do those people know these things if they didn't watch it?

Well I'm sure the articles, books, videos, christians organizations didnt wake up and say " Lets start a global march against this movie..I'm bored "
Theses people provided links for you to do your own search, In October the AFA sent out notifications. I consider the AFA a valid source. Its more an awareness rather than a anti-march towards the movie.
Please check out the movie website....tell me what you think about " Meet your demon ". You can start your research by checking out their marketing material, then decide if you want to give them your money and see the movie. Its about awareness and personal choice.

I want to go and see for myself what it is about so that when someone asks me what is evil/wrong about it I have the knowledge to debate it.
Thats good, but there's no debate about the movie like I said its about awareness.
I remember talking with someone about " witches ", its obvious that my information was from the bible and other books, I didnt have to go to their pray meeting and take notes to know its bad. Sometimes we can rely on the material infront of us and use spiritual discernment, a witch is a witch there's no sugar coating it.

The enemy usually has the upper hand because he knows both sides.
He can never have the upper hand if we put on the whole armour of God daily.

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 6:10-12

They come to our churches, read our bibles, come onto forums like this to get information etc. Aren't we being stupid by closing ourselves off totally to their side?

The beauty of exchange is seeing both views and being able to admit when wrong. I agree these series are friction.

There is a big difference between taking a part in their evil ways and finding out what their ways are
Thats true I dont have to do drugs to know its bad, the side effects are evident. Just like things of this world we dont have to go do it to preach its bad.

I believe knowledge is very important
Yes I agree, and thats my key when talking about any topic knowing both sides but choosing one at the end.

We might not be of this world but we still live in the world. And we live in the world still for a very simple reason. To seek and save the lost.
Amen that true.....if it wasnt the second we got saved God would have taken us .

How can we seek and save the lost if we keep to ourselves?
I think people misinterprete the bible when it says to be separate. Let me put it simple, if my friends all drink and do drugs, as a christian me being separate is me not doing drugs and drinking. If I do everything they do. how will they see the light. If I dont walk in Holiness how different am I from the world. Thats being separate, not conforming to what the media tells us is right or wrong. But us saying " what would God want "

We need to "go into the world and preach the gospel". Where will you find the lost? Wherever there is lots of sin.
Amen..the great Commission.
Yes we have to reach the lost, and we can do that through our lifestyle. We have to set an example and think about the future generation. The stuff we stand for will help them and the stuff we neglect because we thought at that time it was nothing will affect them.


The Original Post, was for awareness. I'm sure someone was blessed by it or got the courage to do research on such movies before endorsing it. Knowledge is power and so is awareness.

Like I said before its a personal choice.
But we need to make sure our choices are not only driven by worldly knowledge but with spiritual guidance. The movie is out , we have no control what the media produces.

Again I say there's no debate.
You guys are free to continue, the movie is out and I'm kind of getting tired of all the talk , I'm out God bless..lol
 
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