!Christian parents: Golden Compass!

[WingsOfSilver]

To WingsOfSilver, the books are not about scorcery or demons, they are about alternative science and the multiverse theory of existence (a theory that entertains me no end). The books are nothing other than FICTION. Saying they are anything other than a very good story only adds fuel to Pullman's fire. Take the case of the movie Dogma by Kevin Smith for example. The American catholic right were giving him so much extra publicity that he actually joined thier picket lines outside one of the cinemas to show his support. Thats what happens when we get on our moral high horses about a subject that is basically a waste of time and energy: your not making a stand for God, your making a laughing stock out of him and giving the "neutral" press something more to say about 'crazy christians'. If you want to be angry and rightiously indignant about a subject pick any of these:
1) The ineffectual war on drugs.
2) The crisis in Iraq.
3) The people dieing every day in Darfur.
4) The millions going hungry this christmas.
5) Teenage pregnency and obesity.
the list goes on...

I will choose to stand for God in what I choose to. You nor anyone else can say that what I am doing by choosing not to view something that does not glorify God but glorifies evil instead is not taking a stand for God. We each will be judged for how we chose to stand for God.

Do not presume to judge me and my actions as not taking a stand for God in how I choose to honor God in something that glorifies evil over God. You have not the power to do this as only God does. Only God knows my heart you do not. Taking a stand for God is standing up for God in anything that glorifies evil over God and that is exactly what these books and this movie are doing is glorifying evil not God. You give account to God for what you choose to do and I will give account to God for what I choose to do. I will raise my children as God instructs me to and not as man does for man's ways are of the world and God's ways are of God.

These books and the movie teach that each child has a daemen within them that they need to talk to in order to coax it out.And so alternative science(your words for sorecry , witchcraft and the magic arts)is okay to be, even when it ultimately in the end wants to kill God ? Some children may be able to distinguish this as fiction but their are far more who can not. This movie does glorify evil and there is no way around that. Even the video game they are advertising all over the place does the same, glorifies evil. You say it is fiction , yes it is but the devil will use any source he can in order to lure God's children away. The same goes for all the other filthy and ungodly fiction out there in the media today, the one's that honor and promote pornography and suggestive ways and immoral ways of living.They are fiction but when viewed or read can and do often lead people to sin because the idea is placed in their mind by the devil that hmm ? maybe this would be fun to try and then the idea leads to them doing the sin of what the book or movie suggested. As I said before if it does not glorify God then a child of God should not be partaking of it.You can call it whatever you choose to but it still , any form of magic is of the devil, therefore it is evil and goes against God's very teaching, call it what you want it does not change the fact that it goes against what God teaches us to hold no part with. Especially when something glorifies evil as this movie and the books do even though they are fiction. The Bible, God's Word, tells us that the imaginings of a man's heart are evil.



You give account for yourself to God as I will for myself, but never presume to tell me that I am not taking a stand for God when you yourself do not truly know my heart nor can you ever presume to know the mind of God, for His thoughts are not the same as ours nor are His ways the same as ours. I will live my life as God teaches us to in the bible, His Holy Word and I will do as God leads me to do and not as man for I fear not man.

I have stated my views on this and I am finished. I will be judged of God for who and what I did and am. Just as each person will be. I do not answer to you nor any man but I give account to God.

 

[rizen1]

I'm closing this thread,its seems like there's no end and we'll be going back and forth.

Its a personal choice, God bless everyone who posted.
Thank you Brother Faithful Son for starting this thread.

I love you all, the movie is out please use discernment along with the knowledge you seek or already have.

Article from Gotquestions.org Today.

Question: "How should Christians react to 'The Golden Compass' movie?"

Answer: How should Christians react to “The Golden Compass,” the new movie based on a book by Phillip Pullman? Questions are being raised about the content of the film, given the anti-religious slant of the books and their author. The book series "His Dark Materials" on which "The Golden Compass" is based is aggressively anti-Christian. There are ample reasons for Christians to avoid supporting this series through movie tickets or book sales. It would be counterproductive to stage protests, overt boycotts, or other measures, since that would only give free publicity to the studio selling the film. At the same time, "The Golden Compass" has to be taken seriously by Christian families because the source material is explicitly anti-Christian, and targeted at children. Christian parents and children alike should be prepared to answer some of the false claims made by this series.

The Golden Compass is the first book in a trilogy called “His Dark Materials.” The author, Philip Pullman, is a vocal atheist who is particularly critical of Catholicism. In the trilogy, the church is evil, controlling, ignorant, intolerant of dissent, and sadistic. Pullman does not disguise the church as some other entity, but attacks it more or less directly. The books use terms like “original sin,” “baptized as a Christian,” “Vatican Council,” and “magisterium.” "The Golden Compass" is, compared to its sequels, subtle in its attacks on Christianity. The second and third books become more and more “preachy,” and more overtly hostile to Christianity. The movie can be expected to follow the same pattern: the anti-religious rhetoric in "The Golden Compass" will likely be subtle, or even downplayed. Successive movies will not be able to do the same thing without completely changing the story.

Pullman leaves no doubt about his beliefs and his intentions. He has been referred to as “The Pied Piper of Atheism” for his powerful ability to tell children’s stories and his distaste for religion. Are the books deliberately atheistic? Pullman has stated, “My books are about killing God,” Are they anti-Christian? Again, Pullman has said, “I’m trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief,” and “If there is a God, and he is as the Christians describe him, then he deserves to be put down and rebelled against.” During the book trilogy, a major character intones, “The Christian religion is a powerful and convincing mistake, that’s all.” It would be dishonest for anyone to claim that this trilogy, which "The Golden Compass" is a part of, is not deliberately anti-Christian.

The messages conveyed in the series are not compatible with a Christian outlook, either. The main character is named Lyra, because she is a habitual liar. Her lies are intended for purely selfish reasons, and there is never a point in the trilogy where she learns that such things are wrong. Part of her journey in the series includes having a sexual experience as very young teen, which the author portrays as a part of her outgrowing religious control. She represents a “second Eve,” whose rebellion against God is meant to be applauded as a quest for knowledge.

The Golden Compass, along with any other works connected to the “His Dark Material's” trilogy, are certainly anti-Christian both in content and intent. The advertising of this movie has been very misleading about the religious message it conveys. The trilogy, both books and presumably the movies, introduce atheistic themes gradually, luring children into the story as a way to slip the message in. Advertisements are comparing “The Golden Compass” to “The Lord of the Rings” and “The Chronicles of Narnia.” Pullman’s work is, morally, the polar opposite of Tolkien and Lewis. Scholastic has even created a school curriculum set, including all three books, as a part of public school reading programs.

Works such as these need to be countered, but only in a Christ-like way. At their core, the “His Dark Materials” stories are a fantasy setting for the atheistic worldview, where death is the end of everything, all morals are subjective, and any idea of God is a tool for evil. Christians should not respond in ways that play into Pullman’s stereotypes of believers as ignorant, oppressive, and bigoted. A loving, polite response combined with truthful answers can turn the release of “The Golden Compass” into a great opportunity to witness for Christ’s sake.