Christian view on Israeli-Palestine conflict?

[rodd]

Dear Brad,

I don't think my assumptions are without scriptural support or reasonable logic, if the outcome I've suggested is proven wrong then so will be the prophet John. I'm not introducing any other outcome than already stated in scripture, "given that this is the start of the tribulation years."
What I am introducing is, the manner of deception in which Satan and his servants manipulate events for his purpose and his power. This is what's behind all the evil violence, make no mistake.

 

[Brad Huber]

^I stand by my statement. Satan and his servants do as they will, and unless you have the mind of satan, you cannot know his purpose. The only purpose of satan you can know is what is shared in scripture and the Holy Spirit. Embellishment beyond that comes from assumption, and you know what happens when you assume.

 

[rodd]

^I stand by my statement. Satan and his servants do as they will, and unless you have the mind of satan, you cannot know his purpose. The only purpose of satan you can know is what is shared in scripture and the Holy Spirit. Embellishment beyond that comes from assumption, and you know what happens when you assume.

A bit rough Brad, after all Jesus, the Apostle John, Peter etc gave us plenty to think about in this regard. Indeed Jesus criticised those that ignored signs in his day and he gave us insight through his own word.

Scripture says, the coming of the antichrist would come with all manner of deceptions so as to utterly deceive those who's name's are not written in the book of life.
Daniel also says that the wicked will not know but the wise shall understand, that is, the signs and times of the Messiah's advent.

When you see these things happening and begin to happen, look up and know that your redemption is near, indeed I am at the door. Jesus said these words, that we would be able to see through these events and that the time is drawing near.
To ignore wars and deceptions of international magnitude in these last days in my view is to ignore reality, and the writings of scripture that were given for our understanding and encouragement.
I for one will not be telling Jesus he made a mistake by prophesying signs and giving us the Revelation of John which in your view the study of only creates assumptions which is an evil. I'd say more a desire to understand!
You should be able to know the methods Satan employs, not only does the Bible tells us, but we both still have the old fallen nature ourselves!
No need to put our heads in the sand, ask yourself, would and does God ignore evil, and based on scripture does he want us to be ignorant in these last days?

 

[james1523]

A bit rough Brad, after all Jesus, the Apostle John, Peter etc gave us plenty to think about in this regard. Indeed Jesus criticised those that ignored signs in his day and he gave us insight through his own word.

Scripture says, the coming of the antichrist would come with all manner of deceptions so as to utterly deceive those who's name's are not written in the book of life.
Daniel also says that the wicked will not know but the wise shall understand, that is, the signs and times of the Messiah's advent.

When you see these things happening and begin to happen, look up and know that your redemption is near, indeed I am at the door. Jesus said these words, that we would be able to see through these events and that the time is drawing near.
To ignore wars and deceptions of international magnitude in these last days in my view is to ignore reality, and the writings of scripture that were given for our understanding and encouragement.
I for one will not be telling Jesus he made a mistake by prophesying signs and giving us the Revelation of John which in your view the study of only creates assumptions which is an evil. I'd say more a desire to understand!
You should be able to know the methods Satan employs, not only does the Bible tells us, but we both still have the old fallen nature ourselves!
No need to put our heads in the sand, ask yourself, would and does God ignore evil, and based on scripture does he want us to be ignorant in these last days?

2 Cor 2:11 supports what you say that we can and should know Satan's plans - " in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes."
It is commonly said that Christianity is a personal relationship with God. But the often ignored matter is that Christianity is also a personal relationship with Satan, in that every Christian should know and be aware of His schemes on the personal level and the corporate church level and international level, and every genuine Christian will have some personal encounters with Satan just as Christ did for 40 days in the desert. On the eve of his move for Reformation against the Catholic Church, Luther awoke during the night to some sort of demonic presence n his room. Upon awakening Martin looked at the being, uttered a calm, "Oh, it's you," rolled over, and went back to sleep. This indicates that Luther had some personal experience of Satan as Luther was familiar with Satan. In Acts 19:15 the demon said "Paul I know", but the demon did not know the unbelieving sons of Sceva. Every genuine Christian probably has some personal experience of Satan, whether the evil thoughts fired at the mind during the day, or the evil presence lurking in the bedroom at night. And if a Christian does not have some personal encounter with Satan they could be like the sons of Sceva and not a real Christian. In spiritual terms every Christian is still in a kind of Garden of Eden, God is there and Satan is also.

 

[Brad Huber]

I did point out @rodd that

The only purpose of satan you can know is what is shared in scripture and by the Holy Spirit. If you employ these two things, you will not be putting your head in the sand. If you wish to make assumptions past those two things, then be willing to accept you might be wrong. Dont let your human intellect think you are wiser at knowing evil than satan. We are only more than conquerors when we are in the full armor of God, and that includes the power of Christ. I often think I am right about the worlds true problems, and often think I know the solution, but when I speak of it, I know that I may be wrong. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. How did Christ spend his time and ministry those 2000 years ago?

I am not even sure what it is you are disagreeing with me on.

 

[rodd]

I did point out @rodd that

The only purpose of satan you can know is what is shared in scripture and by the Holy Spirit. If you employ these two things, you will not be putting your head in the sand. If you wish to make assumptions past those two things, then be willing to accept you might be wrong. Dont let your human intellect think you are wiser at knowing evil than satan. We are only more than conquerors when we are in the full armor of God, and that includes the power of Christ. I often think I am right about the worlds true problems, and often think I know the solution, but when I speak of it, I know that I may be wrong. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. How did Christ spend his time and ministry those 2000 years ago?

I am not even sure what it is you are disagreeing with me on.

What I'm hoping to be is as wise as a serpent but as innocent as a dove. I'm not about preaching to the converted but hopefully discussing real issues that relate to us as the body of Christ in these times of change.
There might be other threads on here dealing with theological matters of faith, but there is more to scripture than only that.
The thread is asking our view on this particular world event, what I'm trying to do is express my opinion on what this might mean in terms of the prophetic word.
Revelation discloses some of the activities of Satan in end times because it's relevant to our experience in the world we live, and can be understood and observed, the point of prophesy is to inform.
I do appreciate your concerns all the same.

James 1523......thanks for what you wrote! that was awesome!