Christianity is dying a slow death in USA & Europe
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Well, did Christ said he was going to build "Christianity" or did he say, "upon this "Rock" I will build MY "Congregation" and the gates of hades will not prevail.
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"I tell you that you are Peter, [petros] and it is on this > Rock [petra] that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hades will not conquer it."
(1 John 2)BSB.
Do Not Love the World
"For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. The WORLD is passing away, ALONG with its DESIRES but whoever does the will of God remains forever. Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many anti christs have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour."…
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"I tell you that you are Peter, [petros] and it is on this > Rock [petra] that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hades will not conquer it."
(1 John 2)BSB.
Do Not Love the World
"For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. The WORLD is passing away, ALONG with its DESIRES but whoever does the will of God remains forever. Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many anti christs have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour."…
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Hi Reba,
I agree with your logic, but then you go on and contradict what you say - 'Calling out sex sin is no different then calling out murder stealing lying etc.' The more definitive list of 'dreadful sins' is set out in Colossians 3:1 which I quoted earlier - Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Too many Christians with a hateful and bigoted streak in them will readily zone in on fornication, at least just the gay sex bit - adultery and unmarried sex are more acceptable; and totally disregard all the other others in the list, especially covetousness which Paul highlights as idolatry. This is what I was referring to when I said that many Christians hone in on the sin of gay sex to the exclusion of everything else and in my book, that gives the impression to the casual outsider of homophobia. Homophobia is about prejudice and hate, tools of Satan.
Now please bear in mind that Paul was addressing his instructions, not to Joe Public but to the church of Colossi and its members and by definition, to you and I as believers. If you go back to the Old Testament, read Jonah's sermon to the citizens of Nineveh, it'll take longer to find it than read it. Just one word - REPENT! The word repent means turn around 180 degrees or do the opposite, total transformation. Can you see the difference in the two sets of instructions?
God does not like prejudice, it's saying to someone, 'I don't want anything to do with you because I'm better than you'. God had to address this Himself directly to Peter in Acts 10:9-16.
So to me the doctor in the video is wrong, and so was the cake decorator that refused to bake a cake for a gay marriage and the B&B owner refusing a gay couple a room. I'm wondering if they would refuse Mr. Smith and Mrs. Jones, or is that more acceptable than Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones?
I have a small business, a tool rental company. Do you suggest I put a sign up above the door, 'Sorry, no gays'? I'm friends on Facebook with several customers and from their posts some seem to be very covetous, wanting flashy cars and exotic holidays others enjoy getting wasted at weekends. Do you think I should close their accounts?
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Even though many traditional churches seem to be dwindling I don't believe Christianity will ever die. I base this belief on the passage in Isaiah 9:7
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and for ever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and for ever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
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(Chuckle!!) CHURCH-IANITY is definitely Dying a not-so-slow death across the board. "CHRISTIANITY", on the other hand is doing just fine, since it's Holy Spirit-driven, and Couldn't care less about the foibles and devastating "issues" of the institutional churches, such as they are. But that's the way the Bible SAYS things will go as we move on toward the end of the age. SO no problem at all. everything's on schedule, and in budget.
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So you know me a little better i have gay friends and relatives male and female. Using Boone and Bill as example.... Should Boone and Bill get married i will not attend their wedding. To my thinking there is a difference between accepting, they like my self are sinners, and celebrating their sin. As far as me not listing all the sins the Scriptures say ii used the ETC to cover that. Attending or baking a wedding cake, for a gay couple, is in IMO celebrating sin renting a saw is not. Non repentive sin should not be celebrated. As much as i love my brother i did not attend his wedding as he married the lady he had an affair with, while married to the wife of his youth. The gay political movement here in the USA has proven the case for sin being cancer. To me the point is repentance.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
1Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
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On this I agree. Homosexuals and transgenders getting "married" is a spiritually wicked affront to God himself.
Such "marriages" are wicked and challenge directly what is God given and righteous in Heaven.
The Bible has numerous references to marriage both natural and spiritual - Jesus himself spoke on marriage, divorce and adultery. The Spirit-filled church is betrothed to Christ as the bride to be for which (us) are being prepared
for the Marriage feast.
These vile imitations of marriage declare publicly for adults and children alike that there is no difference between traditional righteousness and political correctness. All is good and acceptable.
And as to those liberals and blind fools who celebrate this wickedness before the altar of God they will burn in the lake of fire - for such a vision of their fate I received one night when I had the misfortune of listening to that archenemy
Bishop John Shelby Spong on the radio. I was so appalled at his drivel that I closed my eyes and started to pray about this man and why he was spewing out such doctrinal wickedness, when all of a sudden a great flash of fiery flame
scared me off my chair and I also had a vision of the lake of fire.
God confirming his Word that night - in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
Matthew 19:4 He answered, “Have you not read that he [God] who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
19:5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."
When homosexuals and transgender people "marry" they are being wickedly unrighteous in this ceremony.
It is a public declaration against Genesis and creation, and against the righteousness of God who specifically gave marriage himself.
It is satan and his followers denying that man should live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. The adversary knows exactly what the game is about.
Marriage is sacred and spiritual not just some secular ritual that evolved over time to manage property. If alternative lifestyle peoples need to be recognised and to manage their property then let them have civil unions
before a secular authority that assists with property and inheritance issues.
Note also these days for those who cannot have children themselves by their own conjugal actions are into stealing children by various means from heterosexuals, aided and abetted by the State.
We have returned back to Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Church buildings and organised religions will fail. The church is Jesus Christ, the holy spirit and the people filled with the holy spirit. Real christians by the way, not the fake ones of today. The real ones are extremely rare, like the ones who refuse to bake a wedding cake for two men, which is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Real Christians are not here to appease men, we are here to please our God and be more like him. There are plenty of non christian tool stores to hire from. Nobody said the journey with Christ is easy. It takes courage, fortitude, faith. The gate is narrow and the path is arduous said Jesus.
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Yep. I agree. The one true Church is born again believers from any church background, past, present and future and global.
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So the Word of GOD is a liar? And we are to take your word and man's word as truth, and Ignore what GOD has said. Not me!
I'm not a believer in "Christianity" for it will not last forever but it will past away! I am a believer in The Unadulterated "WORD of GOD"! And I will not be move.
(1 John 2)BSB.
Do Not Love the World
"For ALL that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. The WORLD is passing away, ALONG with its DESIRES but whoever does the will of God remains forever. Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many anti christs have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour."…
'I will say again, I thank GOD through "Jesus Christ" there is a big difference between a 'christian' and a "Child of The Living GOD," Born of HIS Spirit, Born of GOD, A heavenly birth is a completely different from joining something. To be a christian you have to join something or say you believe in something. To be a "child of GOD" you have to be born into the family of GOD, And it is totally impossible for you to inseminated yourself, into the family of GOD, or sign up for' membership.
Christianity cannot last according to the WORD of GOD.
PS. and this is a True statement:
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"If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart [being] that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
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Nope. but we're not talking about the "Word of God" - just your silly INTERPRETATION of it.
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The WORD of GOD has only One Interpretation of it. One GOD, One Interpretation. Not many. And what form of interpretation do you use? But to me, you always have your "own private interpretation".
There is only one way to interpret GODS WORD, is to pay attention to whom he was addressing, why, when and for what reason.
(1 John 2)BSB.
Do Not Love the World
"For ALL that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. TheWORLD is passing away, ALONG with its DESIRES but whoever does the will of God remains forever. Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many anti christs have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour."…
Maybe like i have said on many of occasion. A lot of Christians ought to take, reading and english grammar classes again. And learn again the meaning of words especially in the context they are written in. Now do you think the Devil will ever tell you to do something like that? To learn how to read the Word of GOD. I do know many, christians think it is a evil thing to relearn simple words again. "Etymology". In regards to simple elementary words that are recorded in "Translations" of "The Original Copied Manuscript of the written Word of GOD". And that they feel it is not necessary and a waste of time. and still.
I will say it again, "Christianity will fade away" and the desires you have for it! But the WORD of GOD will remain forever!
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Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear."
2 Peter 3:10
But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.
Isaiah 34:4
And all the host of Heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
[And i will say this still! The God in whom I believe in, is the GOD of "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" that is recorded in the "Original Copied Manuscript of the WORD of GOD" and not a "god of my imagination" of who I want Him to be. And have cherry pick and applied post-it verses together and painted a portrait of HIm.] on how I like Him to be.] For many have painted a picture of the GOD they want. Just like those who have married the kind of person they wanted. But latter on have found themselves in a adulterous relationship or divorce court. For some reason. when it should have been, through death do them apart. a covenant relationship. No matter what. GOD will keep HIs covenant relationship with HIS people only!
Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear."
2 Peter 3:10
But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.
Isaiah 34:4
And all the host of Heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
[And i will say this still! The God in whom I believe in, is the GOD of "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" that is recorded in the "Original Copied Manuscript of the WORD of GOD" and not a "god of my imagination" of who I want Him to be. And have cherry pick and applied post-it verses together and painted a portrait of HIm.] on how I like Him to be.] For many have painted a picture of the GOD they want. Just like those who have married the kind of person they wanted. But latter on have found themselves in a adulterous relationship or divorce court. For some reason. when it should have been, through death do them apart. a covenant relationship. No matter what. GOD will keep HIs covenant relationship with HIS people only!
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Ain't gonna need this house no longer
Ain't gonna need this house no more
Ain't got time to fix the shingles
Ain't got time to fix the floor
Ain't got time to oil the hinges
Nor to mend no window pane
Ain't gonna need this house no longer
I'm gettin' ready to meet the saints
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I like it, i like it!
Ain't gonna need this house no longer
Ain't gonna need this house no more
Ain't got time to fix the shingles
Ain't got time to fix the floor
Ain't got time to oil the hinges
Nor to mend no window pane
Ain't gonna need this house no longer
I'm gettin' ready to meet the saints
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(Chuckle!!) That's the SILLIEST thing I've read today!!
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Yes i kinda knew it would make you think like that!
