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You are right, expect that there is a third person in all of this. I can lose my partner for God and move on with someone else. I can lose my family and health, but I can't lose my child for God. He can take me with him to heaven with this 'sin.' or to hell. I accept it.

I can understand why it is difficult to lose a child and not blame God. That pain is not easily soothed. You can vent to God for losing a child in your pain, but don't give up on Him. One day when you see His face He will let you understand why your child was taken away.

Have you read the Book of Job? He lost all his children and his wealth and ultimately his health because Satan attacked him. But his reply was that everything (including his children) were given to him by God and so God has the right to take them away. "The Lord has given, the Lord has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord." - this is what Job said.

Does Job feel no pain in losing his children (and he didn't lose just one child, but all of them)? Of course not. But he understood that his children belongs to God and not to himself. Does Job not understand that what happened to him is great tragedy? Of course not. But Job loved God so much that he was willing to accept even tragedy from Him. But why did Job have this kind of mindset? Because he trust God's character. He knows just how righteous God is, and even if tragedy comes, God in His character will make sure the right thing is being done.

You and I are flesh and blood, when we lose a child, we cannot reverse what has happened, that is why when we see a life lost we despair. But God is not flesh and blood. He can resurrect the dead and He has the power to give eternal life. If a life is destroyed in this world, He will make sure that this life is given the right reward: eternal life for the righteous and wrath for the wicked. For children who have not yet have the knowledge of sin, they will enter heaven the moment they die physically.

You don't have to agree with me, but if I were to have children, I would rather that they die innocently and go to heaven straight away then to live in this world, become corrupted by sin and then destroyed by sin.
 
Jesus is not the bible. Jesus is the living word. The bible is an apostolic tradition.



I am actually 'perfect' in Jesus. You are not my spiritual authority. Go back to your Sunday school and study for few years so you can start a denomination or another purity cult.



Good. Let's start with you, hypocrite. Let's chop off one finger.



Ignorance is also sin. Here you have it. A fundamentalist who thinks alcohol is witchcraft. Wow!



Here it is. Fundamentalists will have you killed if you join their cult.

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1-Jesus is the Word of God; Jesus IS the Holy Bible. "Apostolic tradition" you claim is nonsense; not truth. Take it to the Lord, there is one truth, there are no theories. The Holy Bible is Jesus.
2-You are not perfect in Jesus, you've never repented of your sins. You want to live as a rogue with traditions of men doing your own desires and seek for Jesus to follow you. It won't happen. Jesus said plainly "My sheep hear My voice and they follow ME." You're not doing that. You make a big deal over you and throw Jesus to the curb because He's too burdensome for you.
3-PS you're rude as well.
4-Don't call me a hypocrite, unlike you, I live the disciple's life.
5-Sorcery - that includes all drugs. Drugs and drunkenness are sin. It's been that way since the beginning. Search pharmakia and know that you are bound by the pharmakia demons.

It's the Holy Spirit in me and the truth I speak as a result that you hate. Consider your ways. If you don't repent you will perish. Ask God to grant you repentance while it's still today. To God alone be glory.
 
Christianity VS. Jesus:

Christianity will come to a End,
GOD won't, Jesus won't! ............ PS We won't:p HOw Do you like That Theology.

Some of us has seen the begining of the Jet age, the ATomic age, the Nuclear age, Computer age, IT, and AT, but it is not going to be nothing like That DAy when YOU STEP off into
"ETERNITY" no time or space. and after we been there a Billion years it will just like we got there yesterday!
 
If only the world knew, what it means to be "Born of GOD" and what Jesus accomplish on that cross! "And what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul" for peanuts and a Fool's Gold"! that fades away.
 
I do not claim to know everything about homosexuality, but I am very certain there is a spiritual element to it, from personal experience and also from testimonies of others who struggled with it. You may not know it, or believe it to be something else, but I am very sure there is some evil spiritual entity involved. Some say its genetic or medical, but even when it comes to genetic/medical issues, it is not free from spiritual involvement. Evil spirits can indeed cause changes in people's genetics, and make people physically ill for that matter. We know very little collectively as a society to disregard what the spiritual realm does to the physical realm.

I keep an open mind regarding what you say about being gay and the spiritual realm. (I do not like using the word homosexual.) But I never felt the presence of evil spirits in all my previous relationships with women. I was abused by a woman once, and I felt my life was on the edge, because of all the beating and violence that occurred in that awful relationship, but there was not any evil spirits involved there. Under stress, I hear and see things that can be very terrifying sometimes. My first diagnosis was schizophrenia but then they said it was BPD. My disorder usually includes psychotic episodes, specially if I am under much stress. When I knew I was pregnant, I had a very crazy psychotic episode, because my thinking was not right. Do I kill myself? Do I tell my parents? Can I convince him to put this baby into adoption? I just was not ready for this and seeing or hearing things can be easily interpreted as demons or evil spirits, but I know much better than this now.

I learned a lot after my suicide attempt, because I am someone who was in the psychiatric hospital for very long months. I hated that place but I have seen lots of patients who were very sick, and the nurses educated me a bit about what was going on because my situation was a very mild one compared to those people.

I am more concerned when you assert that this is who you are. People who were actually freed from homosexual/bi-sexual desires never asserted this, rather they acknowledged it was something external that was influencing their inner desires, because assertions like this mean that you have accepted it rather than rejected it. If you have accepted it, then it is not likely that you will be freed from this. Then the vicious cycle continues, because you were not freed from it, then all the more you will believe that this is who you are.

I do not know exactly why you have decided to accept it, but I assume that your guilt from your mother's reaction had something to do with it. From what I see, even that is a trap of the devil to get you stuck in this situation. This guilt tripping is not from God but you do need to see it for what it is. Just because you are made to feel guilty about something does not mean it is healthy to accept it as who you are. The right attitude is to seek freedom by first rejecting it as part of who you are, and then repenting and seeking God's deliverance.

These feelings and desires are not external. I understand far more about myself now. At least I am in control of this part of my life. It was an inward battle for many years. I've been feeling 'zero' guilt, because I have already accepted who I am, and I am completely healed of all the nonsense that having these feelings are wrong, immoral, or demonic. I do not need to repent of anything as I am now a Christian, and I accepted Christ in my life. There is no sin that can separate me from him.

What I do and or feel does not matter much. It matters what Jesus Christ has already done for me, and his blood covers all my sins, past, present, and future sins. I made these words red because I know this makes those purity religionists go nuts, because their demons hate Jesus, and these demons want to plant seeds of doubts in my heart about the work of my lord and savior, but I will never allow these devils to influence my thoughts, or destroy my faith in Christ. His work is sufficient and complete.

I don't know what is the reason given to you not to date a non-believer, but I know the real reason. A non-believer will not share your beliefs and there will be lots of conflicts in any close relationships with them because the devil will be influencing them to disturb your faith. I know this from experience because I was the only Christian in my family and the kind of hate I've seen from my unbelieving parents towards my faith still reminds me of how important it is to seek godly Christian as a partner.

There is a huge difference between consciously dating a non-believer as a Christian, and between remaining true and loyal to someone you promised to love them before your conversion in Christ, especially if you are the mother of his child. Run away from any religion that tells you to destroy your family. That is not true and it comes from Satan.

until God frees you from the evil spirits which puts you in bondage. The question is whether you will give up now just because you have faced some difficulties or been shown the wrong way to deal with all this by religious people.

God searches the hearts, if you truly want to be free from your sin and you have sought Him out about this till the day you die, then He knows. He may free you in a miraculous moment, like He did for some, or He may free you upon your death bed. The timing difference is usually a test on how persistent and how strong your will is in seeking Him. But He will not force you if you have decided to give up on seeking Him and you stop your struggle against sin. You have to make that decision.

But we are freed and redeemed the moment we accept Jesus in our hearts. It actually happens instantly, and I never give up seeking my lord, but I gave up on Christianity. Jesus remains in my heart and soul. As I said in the OP, I am for the spiritual Christ, not Christianity, or any other religion.

7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. (Philippians 3:7-11)

Jesus' attitude towards the prostitute in the Bible is that of gentleness and forgiveness, but He also told the woman, go and sin no more. What you have encountered from religious people is the same attitude the Pharisees demonstrated towards the prostitute, they were ready to stone her for her sin and made her feel guilt ridden and hopeless.

Ignore that Pharisical attitude and look at Jesus instead. He did not condemn the prostitute, but He did say, go and sin no more. That is for her good because if she persisted in sin she will be destroyed by sin, and His words apply to you as well. Go and sin no more. Don't give up on that just because it is difficult.

Amen. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us.
 
Christianity VS. Jesus:

Christianity will come to a End,
GOD won't, Jesus won't! ............ PS We won't:p HOw Do you like That Theology.

If that is a theology, then perhaps I am ok with it. Christianity is nothing; ideas of the collective minds. Jesus is God. Totally different.
 
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1-Jesus is the Word of God; Jesus IS the Holy Bible. "Apostolic tradition" you claim is nonsense; not truth. Take it to the Lord, there is one truth, there are no theories. The Holy Bible is Jesus.
2-You are not perfect in Jesus, you've never repented of your sins. You want to live as a rogue with traditions of men doing your own desires and seek for Jesus to follow you. It won't happen. Jesus said plainly "My sheep hear My voice and they follow ME." You're not doing that. You make a big deal over you and throw Jesus to the curb because He's too burdensome for you.
3-PS you're rude as well.
4-Don't call me a hypocrite, unlike you, I live the disciple's life.
5-Sorcery - that includes all drugs. Drugs and drunkenness are sin. It's been that way since the beginning. Search pharmakia and know that you are bound by the pharmakia demons.

It's the Holy Spirit in me and the truth I speak as a result that you hate. Consider your ways. If you don't repent you will perish. Ask God to grant you repentance while it's still today. To God alone be glory.

Repent of what exactly? I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ and his work for me. If I sin, I confess my sins, without you telling me anything.

Did you miss it or not? I am using psychedelics as antidepressants and my doctor knows about it, and even the government. I was in a court room twice already and nobody can keep me in prison because I know my rights, and I told the Judge that I am a sovereign being and I believe I have a natural right to heal my body and mind using what is being found in nature, such as mushrooms, Cannabis, etc...

These meds are from God himself. They are so different from man-made synthetic chemical SSRIs, which I have been using 3 of them now and I am told to take them for the rest of my life, and they are killing me slowly. This is my own body and I can do whatever with it. Also, if you eat meat, you probably should stop it, before you get cancer. It is not healthy, but if you believe eating meat is your right, and do not want to be forced to be a vegetarian, then do not preach your nonsense to me. I am not rude. This is the sacred anger that comes from the Holy Spirit within me.

Cannabis or mushrooms or fungus are good therapeutic substitutes for antidepressants. I can take them for a week and stop it for a month, or two, and I do not have to take them anymore, if I do not want to. I never suggest that people should be using any psychedelics, before telling their therapists. I take a little bit enough to open my emotions. That is little of something that won't even make me hallucinate. These are plant spirits and they got that consciousness within them. You have a good point, but these meds are natural and come from God, and they healed me from PTSD because I actually faced my demons many times and now I look at life differently. I choose the amount that is safe for me and I take breaks in between. I am functional more when I use them.

Anyway, I hope this clears your confusion, because I am not sinning and I was not going to reply to you because I do not feel the need to justify my spirituality to anyone. I usually take them and connect with God, doing yoga meditation, listening often to the bible, or Christian songs, in the morning, every weekend. what is sinful about this? Is it because I do not feel depressed this way and I can focus more on God or myself this way? You go ahead and do not ever take them. Just please do not tell me what to do with my own body.
 
I keep an open mind regarding what you say about being gay and the spiritual realm. (I do not like using the word homosexual.) But I never felt the presence of evil spirits in all my previous relationships with women.

I did not feel the presence of evil spirits either when my father was emotionally abusive towards my mother and I, this was going on for a decade and I never thought it had anything to do with demons. The revelation of the fact that evil spirits were influencing my father's emotions and actions only came when I began to actively seek Jesus for deliverance from the turmoil my family was in. You never felt the presence of evil spirits because you have not yet received revelation from God like I did. No one can know evil spirits are there unless God reveals the spiritual reality to them.

These feelings and desires are not external.

I didn't mean the feelings and desires are external, I meant they are inside us and can be perceived as innate, but actually come from an external source. In my testimony I mentioned that during the time I was an atheist, I actually had demons inside me. These demons caused me to hold onto very strong and prolonged feelings of hate, anger, bitterness. I was torturing animals and feeling peaceful about it. I was having very bad thoughts and dark feelings, none of those feelings and thoughts were external, but they didn't come from me, they came from the demons inside me. How do I know this for a fact? Because when I believed in Jesus that very moment those feelings of hate, anger and bitterness was instantly gone, and I never tortured animals since (I am a dog and animal lover in fact). Those feelings and thoughts definitely were not a part of who I am since Jesus took them all away instantly, so I came to know that those feelings came from demons inside me.

Once the demons were gone when I called for Jesus, the desires and feelings that were once inside me was also gone, forever. I never had the same deep feelings of hate I once did since the day I put my faith in Jesus. That is how I came to know that demons can indeed put strong desires and feelings in us and even make us think these desires and feelings are a part who we are, but they are liars and these things actually came from them and will eventually destroy us.

You wanted to accept those desires as who you are because you were made to feel guilty and condemned, but that is not going to help you eventually. You can now discard those guilty feelings, know that those condemning voices did not come from God and still seek freedom from unnatural desires, for your good. Satan has already tried to destroy you by making people condemn you and drive you to despair, don't let him destroy you using another tactic by convincing you it is ok to live with desires that will destroy you in the long run. Resist the devil, and let God expose his lies.

I understand far more about myself now. At least I am in control of this part of my life. It was an inward battle for many years. I've been feeling 'zero' guilt, because I have already accepted who I am, and I am completely healed of all the nonsense that having these feelings are wrong, immoral, or demonic. I do not need to repent of anything as I am now a Christian, and I accepted Christ in my life. There is no sin that can separate me from him.

What I do and or feel does not matter much. It matters what Jesus Christ has already done for me, and his blood covers all my sins, past, present, and future sins. I made these words red because I know this makes those purity religionists go nuts, because their demons hate Jesus, and these demons want to plant seeds of doubts in my heart about the work of my lord and savior, but I will never allow these devils to influence my thoughts, or destroy my faith in Christ. His work is sufficient and complete.

I pray that God will give you understanding of what is really going on in your life, because I am seeing that you are in the same predicament I was in before I came to Christ. There was a lot of spiritual darkness and deception going on in my life when I was an atheist, a lot of things seemed right to me then which turned out to be wrong after I came to Christ. I was deceived, and so are you even now, because you don't really see sin for what it is and you don't know what repentance is. I pray that God will free you from spiritual deception and that you will have a willing heart to turn away from any lies.

During those years when I was forbidden from learning any religion from Christians by my parents who opposed my faith (I didn't go to a single church for years), God Himself taught me first the importance of repentance and obedience to Him. Repentance is actually a very important part of a Christian life, "Repent" is the first message Jesus and His apostles talked about to those around them, it is all recorded in the Bible. Without repentance we cannot be sanctified, and without sanctification, we cannot attain to righteousness. Jesus said to the prostitute, Go and sin no more (John 8:11), a Christian life means striving to sin no more till the day we die, and repentance is the change of heart necessary before any change in behavior.

There is a huge difference between consciously dating a non-believer as a Christian, and between remaining true and loyal to someone you promised to love them before your conversion in Christ, especially if you are the mother of his child. Run away from any religion that tells you to destroy your family. That is not true and it comes from Satan.

I know there are cults which tell people to forsake their families for no reason other than to join their cult to serve God, that is indeed not from God. But if your family is abusing you, treating you like an enemy because you believe in Christ, it is ok to be separate from them for your safety and mental health, provided you still love them in your heart. God is to be above all other people in life, because no relationship in this world can save you other than your relationship with God.

But we are freed and redeemed the moment we accept Jesus in our hearts. It actually happens instantly, and I never give up seeking my lord, but I gave up on Christianity. Jesus remains in my heart and soul. As I said in the OP, I am for the spiritual Christ, not Christianity, or any other religion.

Do you know what freedom Jesus was talking about? It is freedom from bondage to sinning, and lots of verses talk about this freedom. Jesus frees drug addicts from drug addiction, He frees abusers from abusive behavior so on and so forth. Jesus freed me from a life of hatred, anger and violence and He freed my father from emotional abusive behavior. My father had anger issues and was emotionally abusive and controlling, but by the power of God he is a changed man now because of Jesus, even though he never went for any therapy or counselling. There are lots of false Christs in this world as well, and the defining sign of those who believed in false Christs were that they continued in their drug abuse, alcoholism, stealing etc and were never freed from sinning.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. (Philippians 3:7-11)

Read James 2:14 onwards and how apostle James talk about good works and obedience to God as evidence of saving faith, and how faith without these things is dead. True faith will motivate you internally to obey God and do good works, your heart will seek for sanctification and you will practice good deeds not because you yourself are righteous, but because you believe what God says when He says "Be ye holy, for I am holy" (1 Peter 1:16).

1 Peter 1:14-16 ESV As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”
 
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Dear sister Enxu,
I love you in the lord. I wish I can give you a hug right now, because some of the things you said made me tearful, and I am so proud of you. I just read your testimony the other day, and it is wonderful, and it touched my heart. I will PM you instead, because I only want to focus on the OP. We drifted far from the original post. I will post a song by Vicky Beeching; she is a beautiful woman with an amazing talent, and she also struggles with with being gay, but that did not stop her seeking God. She influenced many gay/bi Christians, and is very good example for those who struggle with being gay, or mental illness. Look her up and read her story. We want to focus on loving God and people. We want to tell others about Jesus, and his love, and what he did for us.



Verse 1

O precious sight my Savior stands

Dying for me with outstretched Hands

O precious sight I love to gaze

Remembering salvation's day

Remembering salvation's day

Though my eyes linger on this scene

May passing time and years

Not steal the pow'r with which it impacts me

The freshness of its mystery

The freshness of its mystery


Chorus

May I never lose the wonder

The wonder of the cross

May I see it like the first time

Standing as a sinner lost

Undone by mercy and left speechless

Watching wide eyed at the cost

May I never lose the wonder

The wonder of the cross


Verse 2

Behold the God-man crucified

The perfect sinless Sacrifice

As Blood ran down those nails and wood

History was split in two

Yes history was split in two

Behold the empty wooden tree

His Body gone alive and free

We sing with everlasting joy

For sin and death have been destroyed

Yes sin and death have been destroyed
 
Commenting on the original post related to theology and Jesus, or Christianity vs Christ.

Not necessarily refuting anyone's specific post, but just sharing; so if anyone feels attacked by this post, take a deep breath as you process your response, as that is not my intention.

With these two topics, I don't think a hard separation should be made. Yes these two things are different; however the connection between the two are stronger than most realize.

I think about the Great Commission
" Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” "
Matthew 28:19-21

When Jesus speaks of "teaching" in the verse above, my understanding is that this "teaching" can be seen as theology. I believe that Jesus taught His disciples about many topics such as baptism, the resurrection, etc, etc, and we see that Jesus clearly told the disciples to "teach" everything that He taught them. Everything is the word used.

Obviously sometimes people can focus too much on the teaching and neglect the relationship, but that should not discourage those who love Jesus from learning from Him.

I also think about when Jesus said " "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. " Matthew 11:28-29

When Jesus says "learn" of me, my understanding is that we learn of Jesus by learning about the things He taught (Theology).

I think focusing only the relationship with Jesus but ignoring His teachings(theology) leads to solo Christians(often nondenominational) who may have passion but lack truth and are often misguided. And focusing too much on the teachings(Theology) without the relationship can lead to Christians that are legalistic and Pharisee-like in nature.

Both are important, the relationship with Jesus and the teachings(theology) of Jesus. Though the two are different and can be distinguished I don't think it is beneficial to do a hard separation of the two.

Remember the Bible says you shall know the truth and the truth shall make/set you free. I believe that this truth is both in the theology of God and the relationship with Jesus.
 
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@Jesus_is_LORD

Greetings Brother,

may i add that we do have the accounts of what Jesus DID.
How does this fit in?

rather than continue, I am interested in your reply and consideration.

with love, in Christ


Bless you ....><>
 
Dear sister Enxu,
I love you in the lord. I wish I can give you a hug right now, because some of the things you said made me tearful, and I am so proud of you. I just read your testimony the other day, and it is wonderful, and it touched my heart. I will PM you instead, because I only want to focus on the OP. We drifted far from the original post. I will post a song by Vicky Beeching; she is a beautiful woman with an amazing talent, and she also struggles with with being gay, but that did not stop her seeking God. She influenced many gay/bi Christians, and is very good example for those who struggle with being gay, or mental illness. Look her up and read her story. We want to focus on loving God and people. We want to tell others about Jesus, and his love, and what he did for us.



Verse 1

O precious sight my Savior stands

Dying for me with outstretched Hands

O precious sight I love to gaze

Remembering salvation's day

Remembering salvation's day

Though my eyes linger on this scene

May passing time and years

Not steal the pow'r with which it impacts me

The freshness of its mystery

The freshness of its mystery


Chorus

May I never lose the wonder

The wonder of the cross

May I see it like the first time

Standing as a sinner lost

Undone by mercy and left speechless

Watching wide eyed at the cost

May I never lose the wonder

The wonder of the cross


Verse 2

Behold the God-man crucified

The perfect sinless Sacrifice

As Blood ran down those nails and wood

History was split in two

Yes history was split in two

Behold the empty wooden tree

His Body gone alive and free

We sing with everlasting joy

For sin and death have been destroyed

Yes sin and death have been destroyed

Amazing song you've shared, sister Kitty :)

All glory to God if my message was helpful to you in any way, it must have been Him who laid on my heart what to write to you. He doesn't give up on us if we don't give up on Him.

Feel free to write me anytime, esp if God has done something wonderful in your life. Take care.
 
@Jesus_is_LORD

Greetings Brother,

may i add that we do have the accounts of what Jesus DID.
How does this fit in?

rather than continue, I am interested in your reply and consideration.

with love, in Christ


Bless you ....><>


Amen brother,

Yes great point you bring up.
Looking at what Jesus did we can see His teachings in action.

For example not only did Jesus teach about mercy and forgiveness but He showed it in His actions.
It seemed the closer the disciples were to Jesus the greater they could learn(theology) of Him.
Thus the relationship between theology and the relationship is greatly deepened. Thanks @Br. Bear for that great point.
 
Repent of what exactly? I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ and his work for me. If I sin, I confess my sins, without you telling me anything.

Did you miss it or not? I am using psychedelics as antidepressants and my doctor knows about it, and even the government. I was in a court room twice already and nobody can keep me in prison because I know my rights, and I told the Judge that I am a sovereign being and I believe I have a natural right to heal my body and mind using what is being found in nature, such as mushrooms, Cannabis, etc...

These meds are from God himself. They are so different from man-made synthetic chemical SSRIs, which I have been using 3 of them now and I am told to take them for the rest of my life, and they are killing me slowly. This is my own body and I can do whatever with it. Also, if you eat meat, you probably should stop it, before you get cancer. It is not healthy, but if you believe eating meat is your right, and do not want to be forced to be a vegetarian, then do not preach your nonsense to me. I am not rude. This is the sacred anger that comes from the Holy Spirit within me.

Cannabis or mushrooms or fungus are good therapeutic substitutes for antidepressants. I can take them for a week and stop it for a month, or two, and I do not have to take them anymore, if I do not want to. I never suggest that people should be using any psychedelics, before telling their therapists. I take a little bit enough to open my emotions. That is little of something that won't even make me hallucinate. These are plant spirits and they got that consciousness within them. You have a good point, but these meds are natural and come from God, and they healed me from PTSD because I actually faced my demons many times and now I look at life differently. I choose the amount that is safe for me and I take breaks in between. I am functional more when I use them.

Anyway, I hope this clears your confusion, because I am not sinning and I was not going to reply to you because I do not feel the need to justify my spirituality to anyone. I usually take them and connect with God, doing yoga meditation, listening often to the bible, or Christian songs, in the morning, every weekend. what is sinful about this? Is it because I do not feel depressed this way and I can focus more on God or myself this way? You go ahead and do not ever take them. Just please do not tell me what to do with my own body.


That body is not yours, it belongs to God as does everything everywhere no matter what.
I preach God's Word by Holy Spirit; it is God you reject. You're not sovereign, only God is sovereign. You are in bondage to the demonic and it is God you need to deliver you from the hold they have on you. You are not free and you are not following Jesus. I am not asking you, I am telling you. Chemicals do not heal, only God heals. Stop believing the devil's lies. Take all of this before the throne of grace and get help in your time of need, lest you perish in your sins.
Jesus poured His blood out for those who obey Him (Heb 5:9, John 3:36, 2 Thes 1:8). Get help from God Linda, and get it today.
 
@SheepMary

There Are times when mental / emotional / psychological conditions Do require strong medications. There had been a young lady at church years ago -- a situation where evil words / thoughts would enter her mind that she had no control over. She was part of a Christian family at church. She tried Everything. Prayer, confession to try to stop what was happening. Went to pastor and he did what he could to help but nothing worked. Finally as a last resort they agreed to go to a psychiatrist -- he put her on some strong medication and after about a week or so -- the problem was gone. In Her case -- it was a chemical imbalance in her brain. So -- there are a variety of reasons for problems -- demonic bondage isn't especially the problem. Sometimes it Is and often times Not.

God Can and Does heal through medications. In the Bible -- Luke was a physician.

The world of antidepressants -- many times Needed -- but getting to the root of the problem is Also necessary.

I'm Not defending homosexual desires -- but we Also need to realize that each individual person is unique. For Every person -- we are attracted to a variety of people during our lifetimes -- how we Respond To the attraction is up to the individual. And some people Choose to be in other people's faces about their choices. I'm Here Accept Me. And others are quiet about it and just want to live their lives. And, yes, God's Word is Very Clear about it. It's putrid in God's Eyes -- it's an abomination to Him.

But we need to be willing to Listen to the person -- some people are So Determined that they Won't listen. And pounding them with Scripture probably won't be helping. Chances are they've already heard all of it. But their personal, inner desires are Also strong.

Society wants us to decided that it's just another life style -- but we know it isn't. So -- we maintain Biblical ethics / morality in a Peaceable way.

A court is a bit different than our spiritual stand.
 
Hi, I've been reading the progression of this thread with interest and am not wanting to hijack the topic, but I felt convicted by what @SheepMary said about drugs.

It brought to mind that there is information now published debunking the theory that psych drugs treat chemical imbalances.


The psychiatrist Joanna Moncrieff has published a book and I quote from the review "she demonstrates that psychiatric drugs do not 'treat' or 'cure' mental illness by acting on hypothesized chemical imbalances or other abnormalities in the brain."

I do remember some of how she explained their action but essentially its also been shown they can be very difficult to withdraw from. There are at least several forums on the internet dedicated to providing online support for drug withdrawal from prescription drug dependency which also further show that it can be dangerous to suddenly stop psych meds. Once on them, the CNS adjusts and so getting off them can be difficult and some people dont manage it or fare better with them.

I do know though two people who were totally healed by God of mental illness and no longer have to take medication, and heard of another.

The promises in the bible for health come to mind....

Proverbs 4:20-22

Healing Words
20 Listen carefully, my dear child, to everything that I teach you,
and pay attention to all that I have to say.
21 Fill your thoughts with my words
until they penetrate deep into your spirit.
22 Then, as you unwrap my words,
they will impart true life and radiant health
into the very core of your being. (TPT)

and

Exodus 15:26

New Living Translation

He said, “If you will listen carefully to the voice of the Lord your God and do what is right in his sight, obeying his commands and keeping all his decrees, then I will not make you suffer any of the diseases I sent on the Egyptians; for I am the Lord who heals you.”

But I'm not meaning to take this thread off topic from the OP. My purpose was to aim to show that whether in this life there is healing or with our new bodies in eternity trusting in Jesus is best, listening carefully and following him (which I realise I need to do more of!).
 
@SheepMary

There Are times when mental / emotional / psychological conditions Do require strong medications. There had been a young lady at church years ago -- a situation where evil words / thoughts would enter her mind that she had no control over. She was part of a Christian family at church. She tried Everything. Prayer, confession to try to stop what was happening. Went to pastor and he did what he could to help but nothing worked. Finally as a last resort they agreed to go to a psychiatrist -- he put her on some strong medication and after about a week or so -- the problem was gone. In Her case -- it was a chemical imbalance in her brain. So -- there are a variety of reasons for problems -- demonic bondage isn't especially the problem. Sometimes it Is and often times Not.

God Can and Does heal through medications. In the Bible -- Luke was a physician.

The world of antidepressants -- many times Needed -- but getting to the root of the problem is Also necessary.

I'm Not defending homosexual desires -- but we Also need to realize that each individual person is unique. For Every person -- we are attracted to a variety of people during our lifetimes -- how we Respond To the attraction is up to the individual. And some people Choose to be in other people's faces about their choices. I'm Here Accept Me. And others are quiet about it and just want to live their lives. And, yes, God's Word is Very Clear about it. It's putrid in God's Eyes -- it's an abomination to Him.

But we need to be willing to Listen to the person -- some people are So Determined that they Won't listen. And pounding them with Scripture probably won't be helping. Chances are they've already heard all of it. But their personal, inner desires are Also strong.

Society wants us to decided that it's just another life style -- but we know it isn't. So -- we maintain Biblical ethics / morality in a Peaceable way.

A court is a bit different than our spiritual stand.


_________________

Boloney.

Sue, whom are you serving? Stop spreading satan's lies.
In Jesus' name: I rebuke your unbelief and BLASPHEMY.

Repent.

Sue & Linda:

God is sovereign and supreme over all.
ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL.


I will not play your games. You cannot sit at the demons' table and at the Lord's table. Do you want forgiveness of your sins and eternal life in Jesus Christ or do you want to be swept away with the rubble and with the wicked?


Was there any condition of any kind at any time that Jesus could not or did not heal? NO.

Look at the woman with the issue of blood. All she did was believe and she got her healing by touching Jesus; 12 long years and she healed in an instant.
Daughter, your faith has made you well, go in peace.

I have gotten MANY healings by touching Jesus. I have been healed many imes JUST BY TOUCHING SCRIPTURE, which is the Word of God, WHICH IS JESUS. Let it be done as you have believed. Matt 8:13

You are deceived.
You call God a liar. You defer to man and think there has been something created which God does not have authority over.
LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! All satan's lies.

God is sovereign. There is nothing God cannot do.

Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar... 1 John 5:10
...all men are liars. Psa 116.

Instead of believing the lies of man, believe the truth of God. All mental health issues are demonic. I know first hand, satan pulled that crap on me too, and beyond that, I have cast devils out of others, and I have seen the dramatic differences after they leave.

Jesus defeated all of this on the cross. Jesus = problem solved. God even heals brain injuries.

Homosexuality/sexual depravity is a spirit - ask Jesus to cast it out and it WILL BE GONE.

Jesus came to set the captive free. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Ask and you WILL receive.

Stop trying to get what you need from man or chemicals; go to God and get your healing. God has what you need. Psa 103, Matt 7, Isa 53 by His stripes we ARE healed. By His stripes you HAVE BEEN healed. 2Pet 2:24 It is finished - 2K years ago on the cross - All praise and glory to JESUS!!!
HalleluYah! HalleluYah! HalleluYah!

Repent and return to the Lord.
Choose this day whom you will serve.

Linda, I'm sorry you've had muck and mire and
so many stupid lies thrown at you. Welcome to the truth. Sort this out: God is truth and He is absolute, and anyone anywhere who tells you ANYTHING that is in conflict with the Holy Bible is a liar. Don't believe the liars - believe only God.

Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes man his strength. Jer 17


Purge the
devil's lies of God being inadequate and receive with meekness the implanted Word which is able to save your soul. ONLY GOD tells the truth; therefore BELIEVE only God. God tells us in Isaiah to remove the spirit of heaviness put on a garment of praise. Depression is spiritual; God gave us the solution 700+ years before Jesus was born. Glory to God!

Those who do not receive the kingdom of heaven as a little child will not enter it.

Know for certain that if you CANNOT fool me, you WILL NOT fool God.
Know also for certain that God ONLY saves His believers.
What is evil in God's eyes? ...an unbelieving heart. Heb 3:12
Unless you become like a little child you WILL NOT enter the kingdom of heaven.


Much love to you. To God alone be glory.

PS Welcome to the truth. Glory to God!
 
_________________

Boloney.

Sue, whom are you serving? Stop spreading satan's lies.
In Jesus' name: I rebuke your unbelief and BLASPHEMY.

Repent.

Sue & Linda:

God is sovereign and supreme over all.
ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL.


I will not play your games. You cannot sit at the demons' table and at the Lord's table. Do you want forgiveness of your sins and eternal life in Jesus Christ or do you want to be swept away with the rubble and with the wicked?


Was there any condition of any kind at any time that Jesus could not or did not heal? NO.

Look at the woman with the issue of blood. All she did was believe and she got her healing by touching Jesus; 12 long years and she healed in an instant. Daughter, your faith has made you well, go in peace.

I have gotten MANY healings by touching Jesus. I have been healed many imes JUST BY TOUCHING SCRIPTURE, which is the Word of God, WHICH IS JESUS. Let it be done as you have believed. Matt 8:13

You are deceived.
You call God a liar. You defer to man and think there has been something created which God does not have authority over.
LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! All satan's lies.

God is sovereign. There is nothing God cannot do.


Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar... 1 John 5:10
...all men are liars. Psa 116.

Instead of believing the lies of man, believe the truth of God. All mental health issues are demonic. I know first hand, satan pulled that crap on me too, and beyond that, I have cast devils out of others, and I have seen the dramatic differences after they leave.

Jesus defeated all of this on the cross. Jesus = problem solved. God even heals brain injuries.

Homosexuality/sexual depravity is a spirit - ask Jesus to cast it out and it WILL BE GONE.

Jesus came to set the captive free. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Ask and you WILL receive.

Stop trying to get what you need from man or chemicals; go to God and get your healing. God has what you need. Psa 103, Matt 7, Isa 53 by His stripes we ARE healed. By His stripes you HAVE BEEN healed. 2Pet 2:24 It is finished - 2K years ago on the cross - All praise and glory to JESUS!!!
HalleluYah! HalleluYah! HalleluYah!

Repent and return to the Lord.
Choose this day whom you will serve.

Linda, I'm sorry you've had muck and mire and
so many stupid lies thrown at you. Welcome to the truth. Sort this out: God is truth and He is absolute, and anyone anywhere who tells you ANYTHING that is in conflict with the Holy Bible is a liar. Don't believe the liars - believe only God.

Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes man his strength. Jer 17

Purge the devil's lies of God being inadequate and receive with meekness the implanted Word which is able to save your soul. ONLY GOD tells the truth; therefore BELIEVE only God. God tells us in Isaiah to remove the spirit of heaviness put on a garment of praise. Depression is spiritual; God gave us the solution 700+ years before Jesus was born. Glory to God!

Those who do not receive the kingdom of heaven as a little child will not enter it.

Know for certain that if you CANNOT fool me, you WILL NOT fool God.
Know also for certain that God ONLY saves His believers.
What is evil in God's eyes? ...an unbelieving heart. Heb 3:12
Unless you become like a little child you WILL NOT enter the kingdom of heaven.


Much love to you. To God alone be glory.
PS Welcome to the truth. Glory to God!
SheepMary
You are very interesting, wondering where have you travel, "The Dark night of The Soul", or past down through the "Valley of the Shadow of death", or ever been stuck in the "Slough of Despond", or been chained in that dark dungeon Pilgrim found himself in? Just wondering. It just sounds like you are familiar with "Paul & Silas"! Because this "spiritual stuff is real! especially after "The Devil" has grip you will those Claws! You realize this is not no "Fairytale" or figure of speech! There is a "Invisible world" that will deliver "invisible blows and you will experience real time pain is like no other, because you are a different "Type of Creature through your "New Birth", The "Spiritual Birth". You can receive a "Spiriual wound" that ony a "Born From Above, Born of GOD" can experience. All others in this World cannot receive a "Spiritual Wound" but only a wound to the heart, for they are only born of the flesh they are of the flesh and only have a fleshly mind and soul. We are not like them. They cannot even imagine what tyoe of creatures we are, even though we are recognize as 'christians'. And that word cannot describe who we really are. The best description of who we are, is "The Sons of The Living GOD". "For there is neither male or female in Christ Jesus" "Similar, like the Angels of GOD" "Seraphims & Cherubim" There two types of "Humans" or "SONS of GOD" "Male & Females' There are Two Types of "Angels" "Seraphims & Cherubim". Just Maybe, we will not know, not until we get there. Then again the Bible says; we will look like Jesus!
Did someone say: I don't care what I look like, just as long as I get there, AMEN!:)
 
_________________

Boloney.

Sue, whom are you serving? Stop spreading satan's lies.
In Jesus' name: I rebuke your unbelief and BLASPHEMY.

Repent.

Sue & Linda:

God is sovereign and supreme over all.
ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL.


I will not play your games. You cannot sit at the demons' table and at the Lord's table. Do you want forgiveness of your sins and eternal life in Jesus Christ or do you want to be swept away with the rubble and with the wicked?


Was there any condition of any kind at any time that Jesus could not or did not heal? NO.

Look at the woman with the issue of blood. All she did was believe and she got her healing by touching Jesus; 12 long years and she healed in an instant.
Daughter, your faith has made you well, go in peace.

I have gotten MANY healings by touching Jesus. I have been healed many imes JUST BY TOUCHING SCRIPTURE, which is the Word of God, WHICH IS JESUS. Let it be done as you have believed. Matt 8:13

You are deceived.
You call God a liar. You defer to man and think there has been something created which God does not have authority over.
LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! LIES! All satan's lies.

God is sovereign. There is nothing God cannot do.

Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar... 1 John 5:10
...all men are liars. Psa 116.

Instead of believing the lies of man, believe the truth of God. All mental health issues are demonic. I know first hand, satan pulled that crap on me too, and beyond that, I have cast devils out of others, and I have seen the dramatic differences after they leave.

Jesus defeated all of this on the cross. Jesus = problem solved. God even heals brain injuries.

Homosexuality/sexual depravity is a spirit - ask Jesus to cast it out and it WILL BE GONE.

Jesus came to set the captive free. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Ask and you WILL receive.

Stop trying to get what you need from man or chemicals; go to God and get your healing. God has what you need. Psa 103, Matt 7, Isa 53 by His stripes we ARE healed. By His stripes you HAVE BEEN healed. 2Pet 2:24 It is finished - 2K years ago on the cross - All praise and glory to JESUS!!!
HalleluYah! HalleluYah! HalleluYah!

Repent and return to the Lord.
Choose this day whom you will serve.

Linda, I'm sorry you've had muck and mire and
so many stupid lies thrown at you. Welcome to the truth. Sort this out: God is truth and He is absolute, and anyone anywhere who tells you ANYTHING that is in conflict with the Holy Bible is a liar. Don't believe the liars - believe only God.

Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes man his strength. Jer 17


Purge the
devil's lies of God being inadequate and receive with meekness the implanted Word which is able to save your soul. ONLY GOD tells the truth; therefore BELIEVE only God. God tells us in Isaiah to remove the spirit of heaviness put on a garment of praise. Depression is spiritual; God gave us the solution 700+ years before Jesus was born. Glory to God!

Those who do not receive the kingdom of heaven as a little child will not enter it.

Know for certain that if you CANNOT fool me, you WILL NOT fool God.
Know also for certain that God ONLY saves His believers.
What is evil in God's eyes? ...an unbelieving heart. Heb 3:12
Unless you become like a little child you WILL NOT enter the kingdom of heaven.


Much love to you. To God alone be glory.

PS Welcome to the truth. Glory to God!



WOW -- why don't you just tell us how you REALLY feel.
 
That body is not yours, it belongs to God as does everything everywhere no matter what.
I preach God's Word by Holy Spirit; it is God you reject. You're not sovereign, only God is sovereign. You are in bondage to the demonic and it is God you need to deliver you from the hold they have on you. You are not free and you are not following Jesus. I am not asking you, I am telling you. Chemicals do not heal, only God heals. Stop believing the devil's lies. Take all of this before the throne of grace and get help in your time of need, lest you perish in your sins.
Jesus poured His blood out for those who obey Him (Heb 5:9, John 3:36, 2 Thes 1:8). Get help from God Linda, and get it today.



Thank you lord for cleansing me from all sins. You freed me. Yes, from ALL sins. I am free in Christ. Jesus deals with those who condemn us.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:1)
 
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