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timnorman

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I GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY.
just want to make it clear before i start this disscution.

do you think it is possible to be a good and hly christian if you do not attend church regularly.

some one i used to know said he was a christian , and he was a very "good" one.

i was just wondering what other christians had to say about this mater.

do you people go to churc regularly?
do you think it is our duties as christians to go to church regularly?
do you think you can have a prosperous christian attitude without going to church?

timnorman
 
"Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching." Heb. 10:25

I go to church regularly. Not because it is a rule, but because without it I begin to grow complacent and cold. The fellowship and the excitement that other christians have for Jesus is contagious. God's power is there. God's power rests upon my pastor, too, and he says many things from the bible that I need to hear and apply to my heart and my life. Sometimes I miss church because someone in my family is sick, but I try to go back soon, as soon as I can.

It helps my family when we all go to church. My husband and teen-aged daughter get ministered to in many ways that they cannot receive at home. Even my 16 month old enjoys church, because he likes the caregivers in the nursery, and the other little ones his age are fun to play with. (Even though he does grab toys from them and stuff.)

Sincerely,
Dreamer
 
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I go to church every Sunday, and also mid-week. I do this because I am different from most fellow men. I am a Christian, Jesus is my Saviour, Jesus is my LOrd.

God said to His people long ago "I have put a difference between you and the Egyptians" What was that difference......? It was a difference that only God can make. They were Gods people, this made then different

If folks who profess Christianity choose not to go and fellowship with the people of God, on the Lords day...........I cannot condemn them....God forbid. I do wonder sometimes, if such know Jesus like I do.

I cannot afford to stay away from church. "God is the strength of my life"

Jesus is real to me, Yes, Jesus is real to me. I never will doubt Him or journey without Him, for He is so real to me.
 
i am limited on going to church not because i dont want to but because the nearest one is so far away.
I do belive it is so important to interact with other christians as much as possible so when we have doubts or are confuesed others who understand our problums are there to give good advice and prayer.
When i cannot attend church i try to spend a bit more time in here ,that allows me to pray and praise my Lord with others and also helps me grow as a good christian
I dont think it is vital to attend church but only if you have a place like talk jesus to attend
 
I go to church every Sunday, and also mid-week. I do this because I am different from most fellow men. I am a Christian, Jesus is my Saviour, Jesus is my LOrd.

God said to His people long ago "I have put a difference between you and the Egyptians" What was that difference......? It was a difference that only God can make. They were Gods people, this made then different

If folks who profess Christianity choose not to go and fellowship with the people of God, on the Lords day...........I cannot condemn them....God forbid. I do wonder sometimes, if such know Jesus like I do.

I cannot afford to stay away from church. "God is the strength of my life"

Jesus is real to me, Yes, Jesus is real to me. I never will doubt Him or journey without Him, for He is so real to me.

Do you wonder if Paul knows Jesus, Paul spent over 2 years in Arabia where there was no church meetings and spent years in prison until the end of his life here on earth. Should we question his devotion to Christ because he didn't go to church? How about John and his time spent on Patmos? The truth is what most are referring to when they use the word church, never existed until the third century, so should we question every believer's relationship with the Christ, that lived prior to this organized way of meeting. If so doesn't this bring question to what they wrote also (the whole new testament)?

When it comes down to it, this way of thinking seems very backwards to me. My connection to the Church depends on, and only on my personal connection to Christ, not my connection with Christ depends on my connection with the Church. I meet with other believers often but I do it outside the confines of the religious institution and have done this for several years. We have meals together and genuinely share the Lord's love and life with each other. But I am part of something that is bigger than any meeting or gathering on this earth, because of my connection with Christ I am part of his spiritual body that exists in the heavens.

So if any want to question my relationship with Christ, because I fail to paritcipate in religious institution's liturgy and gatherings it's ok, the only opinion I really care about when it comes to my relationship with the Christ, is Jesus'.
 
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So if any want to question my relationship with Christ, because I fail to paritcipate in religious institution's liturgy and gatherings it's ok, the only opinion I really care about when it comes to my relationship with the Christ, is Jesus'.

I have the exact same viewpoint as brother Jiggyfly, and these sentences convey the way I feel, but haven't been able to express. I have a Savior, His name is Jesus Christ, because I live for Him and believe in Him I am saved, I live for no one else except Him, that makes me a Christian, I don't attend church, any type of church, if I am invited somewhere I will attend, but I do not force myself to go. It's a matter of your own conviction in life, it's not a matter of being a Christian or not.

God bless
Much love:love:
teraside
 
Firstly Jesus destroyed the Church, the day he was crucified.

Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

He then built another one, which is now inside us.

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Secondly, after receiving the holy spirit, this now gives all Christians, direct communication with God at any given time.

Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will be your teacher in all things and will put you in mind of everything I have said to you.

I don't hold much favour for the churches at present, as they have caused too much division amongst people, that's my point of view. Being with other believers, I think is good though. More and more, I see home cells being more in favour than the churches. I have spoken to, two people recently, who have left the church for one reason or another and have started up or learning as much as they can to start one up.

Worshipping God in spirit and truth is the only answer and that has to be done daily,
 
this is a great place, I seem to ahve questions in my mind, and I come on here and hey presto - there is a new thread on that specific topic - God is great!!! His precense is certainly here!

This ia my first post outside the 'introduce yourself' place!

Church is something I have been missing for some time, i gave up going to church a couple of months ago - nto for any particular reason, I just wanted a bit of a break and was looking for some guidance form the Holy Spirit as to which church i should be at as I left the wee catholic church I had been attending under guidance form the Holy Spirit - there are many reasons, but that is for another thread if at all!

But I have seriously missed felowship with other Chirstians, I really undestand the importance for fellowship, for me, and I am looking to get back there - where ever there might be - as soon as I possibley can!! I have found sundays are becoming a lazy day, long lies and lounging around, getting round to prayer and study a bit later than I nornally would if I had gone to church!

For me I know that fellowship and church are really important, and i dont want to live without them, infact I have made plans for next sunday morning to get up and go to a new fellowship (new for me) and seek to live more fully in the Spirit of the Lord!!
 
thanks guys, "if any want to question my relationship with Christ, because I fail to paritcipate in religious institution's liturgy and gatherings it's ok, the only opinion I really care about when it comes to my relationship with the Christ, is Jesus," they are some realy wise words, sometimes i get critisised for not going to the extra meetings, people ask me why and i fail to be able to tell them why because i am not very good with words. that will help me ! thank you all ! !
timnorman
 
Do you wonder if Paul knows Jesus, Paul spent over 2 years in Arabia where there was no church meetings and spent years in prison until the end of his life here on earth. Should we question his devotion to Christ because he didn't go to church? How about John and his time spent on Patmos? The truth is what most are referring to when they use the word church, never existed until the third century, so should we question every believer's relationship with the Christ, that lived prior to this organized way of meeting. If so doesn't this bring question to what they wrote also (the whole new testament)?

When it comes down to it, this way of thinking seems very backwards to me. My connection to the Church depends on, and only on my personal connection to Christ, not my connection with Christ depends on my connection with the Church. I meet with other believers often but I do it outside the confines of the religious institution and have done this for several years. We have meals together and genuinely share the Lord's love and life with each other. But I am part of something that is bigger than any meeting or gathering on this earth, because of my connection with Christ I am part of his spiritual body that exists in the heavens.

So if any want to question my relationship with Christ, because I fail to paritcipate in religious institution's liturgy and gatherings it's ok, the only opinion I really care about when it comes to my relationship with the Christ, is Jesus'.

Do you wonder if Paul knows Jesus, Paul spent over 2 years in Arabia where there was no church meetings and spent years in prison until the end of his life here on earth.
How about John and his time spent on Patmos?

Hi brother....good to hear from you. Regarding Paul and John, these men were pioneers of the faith. Not on the same level...God forbid....but like the Master Himself..... Trailblazers indeed. Upfront. The remainder of of the Christian flock......us...."would not be neglecting the assembling of themselves together, as the manner of some had become"

The truth is what most are referring to when they use the word church, never existed until the third century, so should we question every believer's relationship with the Christ, that lived prior to this organized way of meeting.

In Acts 7 v 38 Stephen talks of the "church in the wilderness" You will know that "church" = "called out" these were called out from Egypts bondage to represent God under the Mosaic Covenant untill the Messiah should come.

When it comes down to it, this way of thinking seems very backwards to me. My connection to the Church depends on, and only on my personal connection to Christ, not my connection with Christ depends on my connection with the Church.

"backwards" We could drift apart here. Our connection to the Master, through Salvation, through Calvery, through the shedding of His blood, via the New Birth, it absolutely vital.. Paramount indeed. Nothing can take its place, it will never be superceded.

Having experienced this, we became the "church" the eclesia, you will know this. Believers are the "Church"

Seperated by God Almighty unto Himself. I choose to fellowship with those of like-mind. In a building, seperated and set apart for such worship I accept the godly covering of the leadership. I support the fellowship with my tithe and gifts. Last year this fellowship donated £34,000 to missions, worldwide.
We number 200 folks, small by American standards. Parties each year visit the areas we support, Bulgaria, Columbia, Zambia, the Sudan, and others, to ensure that our gift is being received and is a blessing

But I am part of something that is bigger than any meeting or gathering on this earth,

We are all a part of a bigger picture. But right now, the "fields are white unto harvest, pray ye, that the Lord of the harvest will send forth labourers into the harvest field" Jesus.

because of my connection with Christ I am part of his spiritual body that exists in the heavens.

That is true of all who love Jesus.
 
do you think it is possible to be a good and hly christian if you do not attend church regularly.

I think one can be a great Christian without attending an institutional (c)hurch. I personally attend home fellowships, that way I'm not forsaking the gathering of believers.

do you people go to churc regularly?

We meet in one of the homes of other belivers weekly.

do you think it is our duties as christians to go to church regularly?

I don't. Organized religion is only one of several expressions of the gathering of believers. Institutionalized Christianity is found nowhere in scripture so far as I can see. If I'm wrong, then I certainly am open to a reference if anybody has one.

do you think you can have a prosperous christian attitude without going to church?

Certainly. 1 John 2:27 is one of many verses that shows us that it's the Holy Spirit Who fills us with His wisdom and truth. Attending institutionalized (c)hurch is an option, not the rule established by God's word so far as I'm aware.

The Lord meets me no matter where I am, so long as my heart is set fully on Him.
 
Thanks for this thread, this answers some of my questions in regards to church and attendance. I haven't been to church for over 11 yrs now since I found out more about the church I've been in. For the most part, my quest in life right now is to find where I can go and receive Christ's true gospels and be born again through baptism by immersion. I have several list of churches I'm planning on attending to check them out. Again, thank you for this thread.
 
Those things that most typically call the "local church" are indeed man-made organizations.

Here's the acid test:

Pull the money out from under them, and what happens? They collapse, just like any business.

For far too long, religious organizations have attempted to build themselves upon the Bible and its integrity, which is an exercise in futile dishonesty. The Church is the people who follow Christ, and the local Church is comprised of those who are a part of that body, but who are in close proximity in a particular locale.

The local Church is not defined by a building (or a group of buildings) and the religious exercises therein. I'm a member the Church, and therefore the Church in my city, even though I do not attend one of the many religious organizations. I gather with fellow believers in homes for fellowship and praise, rather than attend and support one of the many monumental buildings, its operations, and its professional staffing.

Yes, I understand the lure of sentimental jargon directed at religious institutions, but that jargon no longer has its claws sunk into my psyche. I've long since ceased from trying to play the game of fellowshipping with the backs of other people's heads.

Hey, for those who enjoy the religious scene of institutional "services," then go for it. It's wrong to take away anyone's freedom in Christ.

However, this false idea that what is today called the "local church" is the authoritative expression of THE Church is nothing but historic, wishful thinking at best.

The antiquity of a belief doesn't give such a belief the stamp of TRUTH upon its visage.

Here's a good observation:

"It is a universal tendency in the Christian religion, as in many other religions, to give a theological interpretation to institutions, which have developed gradually through a period of time for the sake of practical usefulness, and then read that interpretation back into the earliest periods and infancy of these institutions, attaching them to an age when in fact nobody imagined that they had such a meaning." (Richard Hansen)
 
Yes, I understand the lure of sentimental jargon directed at religious institutions, but that jargon no longer has its claws sunk into my psyche. I've long since ceased from trying to play the game of fellowshipping with the backs of other people's heads.

Blademan you made my night, I agree with you on this subject and thank you for this bit of wit, it made me laugh.
 
The remainder of of the Christian flock......us...."would not be neglecting the assembling of themselves together, as the manner of some had become"

There are quite a number of institutional religionists who think that those of us who don't attend and support religious church organizations, their building(s), their professional hirlings, their operations, and their missions that duplicate themselves on foreign soil, that we're all forsaking the alleged "legitimate" gathering of ourselves together.

This bit of hokus-pokus flim-flamery in how religionists create, out of thin air, the self-deluded view that institutional Christianity is THE legitimate, and ONLY expression of TRUE Christianity, well, I really must shake my head in sad recognition of just how disillusioned such people are in their Christ-view. I dare say that, given the spiritual climate of modern Christianity, the Lord isn't really welcome in MOST of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of institutional church organizations across the face of this earth.

In Christ, we have a unified fellowship, one saint with another, and if I get together with just one other saint in the park, restaurant, hotel lobby, courthouse, or wherever, and we acknowledge the name and spirit of Christ in our gathering, He is there with us, and our gathering is infinitely more credible than all the institutional church organization gatherings combined where they have not expressly gathered in the name of Christ Jesus; auditoriums filled with people who assume that they can just switch on true worship, that is pleasing to the Lord, like they would a light switch.

Please don't mistake this as bitterness. It's a mild rebuke of those who hold ungodly sentiments toward those of us who simply recognize and follow a more biblical pattern for fellowship rather than partaking of the Aristotilian, audience-modeled form where intimate fellowship simply isn't possible, with each person looking at the backs of other people's heads. If that model appeals to you, then go for it. :bored:
 
I go to church every Sunday, and also mid-week. I do this because I am different from most fellow men. I am a Christian, Jesus is my Saviour, Jesus is my LOrd.

I try to look under the surface of people's words that they write in order to discern the undercurrents and eddies that motivate statements. What exactly are the undercurrents of this statement? Does this indirectly intimate the idea that the Jesus of which you speak is better served by our attending institutionalized, religious organizations when their doors are open? Are you saying that having a building, larger numbers of people, and thus larger expenses attributed to the overall institutional scene, somehow attribute a greater degree of legitimacy to institutionalized, religious gatherings? Please explain. I'm interested in your rationale behind what motivated your above statement.

If folks who profess Christianity choose not to go and fellowship with the people of God, on the Lords day...........I cannot condemn them....God forbid. I do wonder sometimes, if such know Jesus like I do.

It could also be asked if we all know the same Jesus you seem to think expects us to attend and support church organizations. I ask this because I tend to not agree with the "pesonal Jesus" mentality of post-modernistic Christianity. Jesus is who He is because He is sovereign. All my efforts to make Him my personal Jesus will come to no avail because of His sovereignty. The "personal Jesus" makes for a great sounding slogan, but where's the substance? Please elaborate to the betterment of all our understanding.

Also, what if I gather with one other person in the name of Christ Jesus? The Jesus described within the Bible stated that, "Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." He didn't seem to make any mention of a particular day, or a frequency, and He certainly didn't grant any greater legitimacy to larger numbers. Men, of course, make their own personal demands as to where, when, how often, and that larger numbers are more legitimate, but where did the Lord described in the Bible make such distinctions?

I cannot afford to stay away from church. "God is the strength of my life"

Here, again, you seem to be putting forth an idea that those who don't attend religious church organizations aren't necessarily recognizing God as the strength of their lives, and that they are exacting a greater cost upon themselves and/or others for not attending and supporting a church organization and its, mostly, hirlings.

[Please don't take automatic offense (as some are in the habit of doing in order to avoid responsibility for their statements, as well as mutual accountability to fellow believers) to my probing more deeply into your statements and the motivation and deeper meaning behind them.]
 
Hi Bro Jiggy. Lovely to hear from you. I appreciate what you say and I rejoice to know that Jesus love us both......HaHa Amen
Do you wonder if Paul knows Jesus, Paul spent over 2 years in Arabia where there was no church meetings and spent years in prison until the end of his life here on earth. Should we question his devotion to Christ because he didn't go to church? How about John and his time spent on Patmos? The truth is what most are referring to when they use the word church, never existed until the third century, so should we question every believer's relationship with the Christ, that lived prior to this organized way of meeting. If so doesn't this bring question to what they wrote also (the whole new testament)?

Paul spent some time preparing for the ministry to which God had called him. And John was a prisoner on Patmos. The 'church' is mentioned in the wilderness.....and so we could talk all night. Yes the midnight oil burns when I am here at myp.c.

My wife and I enjoy the people, we are gregarious I guess in this matter. We enjoy the fellowship the church gathering affords, the house full, the table spread, the talk about the LOrd.........and so on.

Last month we attended a camp meeting....we are not into tent life but it was church meeting together. Over 13,000 were on the campground, the 3 missions offerings over £200,000 We sang His praise...... and the music played into the night.........We were in our element....His church

Bless you brother.....Always appreciate your thoughts
 
There is some pretty meaningful discussion happening here. I particularly appreciated the quote from Act 17:24. It seems quite simple to me, that if God is everywhere then we can worship anywhere. We don't need a special place to do it or even special people. A person's relationship with Christ is a personal thing that cannot depend on others, although, I agree, it can be effected by fellowship.

There is a lot of talk about home fellowship groups here. I definitely think it is a step in the right direction, but from the way I read Acts 2:44 and Acts 4:34-37, it sounds like they did more than just meet in each other's homes.
 
Mr Beans.

Your point is very sound, the early churches were in fact large families.

What does the spiritual man or woman have in common with the world?

Fellowship in Jesus Christ is the true LIFE for the Christian.

Not all Christians will be able to attend a church.

Not all churches are of Christ.

In all decisions there is only one authority to heed and that is the Holy Spirit. What the Holy Spirit tells us to do, we do!
 
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