Cleansing one's home and life?

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Rather than redefining words, that everyone already knows the definitions of...
Also rather than focusing on one single verse...

Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

The words sodomizer, sodomy and sodomite aren't in this verse. So why ignore it?

Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Again, no sodomizers, no sodomites, only women with women, men with men exchanging the natural for the unnatural and burning with desire for one another. Doing things which are not proper. Those who practice such things are worthy of death.

You can find web pages and even dictionaries and commentaries that support your point of view, and you have been given many dictionary definitions and commentaries as well. Let's just stick to scripture here. There has been a large agenda to change the meanings of words over the last decade or two, especially anything LGBT related.

 

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What did the Lord GOD say the iniquity of Sodom was?
"As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom,

Since you prefer the YLT and ASV

YLT
Jude 1:6 messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept,
Jude 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before—an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering.

NASB
Jude 1:6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

NKJV
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
Jude 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

ASV
Jude 1:6 And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

The sin of Sodom of Gomorrah was of sexual nature.

 

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ASV
Gen 19:2 and he said, Behold now, my lords, turn aside, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your way. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
Gen 19:3 And he urged them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter;
Gen 19:5 and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
Gen 19:6 And Lot went out unto them to the door, and shut the door after him.
Gen 19:7 And he said, I pray you, my brethren, do not so wickedly.
Gen 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters that have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing, forasmuch as they are come under the shadow of my roof.
Gen 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and drew near to break the door.
Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and brought Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

YLT
Gen 19:4 Before they lie down, the men of the city—men of Sodom—have come round about against the house, from young even unto aged, all the people from the extremity;
Gen 19:5 and they call unto Lot and say to him, 'Where are the men who have come in unto thee to-night? bring them out unto us, and we know them.'
Gen 19:6 And Lot goeth out unto them, to the opening, and the door hath shut behind him,
Gen 19:7 and saith, 'Do not, I pray you, my brethren, do evil;
Gen 19:8 lo, I pray you, I have two daughters, who have not known any one; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do to them as is good in your eyes; only to these men do not anything, for therefore have they come in within the shadow of my roof.'
Gen 19:9 And they say, 'Come nigh hither;' they say also, 'This one hath come in to sojourn, and he certainly judgeth! now, we do evil to thee more than to them;' and they press against the man, against Lot greatly, and come nigh to break the door.
Gen 19:10 And the men put forth their hand, and bring in Lot unto them, into the house, and have shut the door;

It's interesting that Lot was willing to let the men rape his daughters, and that would have been "less wicked" than them having sex
with the men of the city.

 

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they were haughty, and committed abomination(tô‛êbah) before me:

Yes, they did. I agree.

Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Sodomite synonyms - 92 Words and Phrases for Sodomite

Another way to say Sodomite? Synonyms for Sodomite (other words and phrases for Sodomite).

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Heb 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

That includes same-sex fornicators.

 

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post Leviticus 20:13 from his beloved NRSV

Leviticus 20:13​

13; If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their bloodguilt is upon them.

 

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abuser of (that defile) self with mankind

Definition of SELF-ABUSE

reproach of oneself; masturbation; abuse of one's body or health… See the full definition

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abusers - often means sexual nature.

 

[Twistie]

The word "sodomite" in the KJV & ASV

KJV margin on Dt. 23:17 - "*****: or, sodomitess" " Therefore the KJV translators recognized that this is more than simple prostitution. Sodomitess and sodomite would be temple prostitutes. (Since when does the legitimate KJV word "wh*re" need to be blanked out??)

ASV margin on Dt. 23:17 on prostitute: "Hebrew: kedeshah. See Genesis 38:21", and on sodomite: "Hebrew: kadesh"

The BDB Hebrew Dictionary:
qedêshâh (kedeshah) - female temple prostitute, harlot
qâdêsh (kadesh) - male temple prostitute

"Sodom in the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
"sedôm sed-ome' From an unused root meaning to scorch; burnt (that is, volcanic or bituminous) district; Sedom, a place near the Dead Sea:—Sodom."

The word "sodomite" in the NRSV & YLT from Strong's Greek Dictionary
"arsenokoitēs From G730 and G2845; a sodomite:—abuser of (that defile) self with mankind."

What did the Lord GOD say the iniquity of Sodom was?
"As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination(tô‛êbah) before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good." (Ezek 16:48-50 KJV)
"abomination" here is the Hebrew tô‛êbah which is also used in this same chapter earlier:

"Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations (tô‛êbah), and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;" (Ezek 16:36 KJV)
Ezekiel uses tô‛êbah 41 times and it is usually connected with idolatry.

If the word "sodomy" were to be found in the Bible, it would be there in Ezekiel. There is just no word in the Hebrew or Greek that can be translated "sodomy". I repeat, there is NO sin called "sodomy" in the English translations, because there is no Hebrew or Greek word that can be translated as "sodomy". The KJV uses "sodomite" in the OT, never in the NT. The NRSV uses "sodomite" in the NT, never in the OT. The English translations don't even agree where to use "sodomites", in Hebrew or in Greek. There is no sin called "sodomy" in the Bible languages, so you cannot connect "sodomite" to a word that does not exist in the Bible. If you wish to know the meaning of today of "sodomite", it is best to see it in the synonyms, as in the Roget:

From the Seventh Edition of Roget's International Thesaurus, 2010 we find "sodomites" in this group:
"75.16 sexual pervert; pervert, perve <nf>, deviant, deviate, sex pervert, sex fiend, sex criminal, sexual psychopath; sodomist, sodomite, sob <Brit nf>, bugger; pederast; paraphiliac; zoophiliac..." Seen within the category of synonyms, the meaning of the word "sodomite" in this day is more clear, and it is not "homosexual" but is synonymous with "sexual pervert".

Your splitting hairs a homosexual is perversion are you one who believes adults have the right to sleep with children because they r born that way to?

It's awfully week sounding when you claim one can't control their sexual urges like an animal can't control theirs

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[Dylan569]

I'll answer the many erroneous remarks in one post here.

"Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
The words sodomizer, sodomy and sodomite aren't in this verse. So why ignore it?"

The book of Leviticus itself says to ignore it, unless you are an Israelite at Mt. Sinai!
"These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses." (Lev 26:46 KJV)
"These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai." (Lev 27:34 KJV)

"And likewise also the men, leaving(RSV "gave up"; NRSV "giving up"; YLT "having left"; NET2.1 "abandoned") the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." (Rom 1:27 KJV)
*Gay guys never were using women to begin with, so they would not be 'leaving', 'giving up' or 'abandoning' that which they did not actively possess! Heterosexuals who were eaten up with, or consumed with lust did abandon, leave and give up the natural use of the woman!

"messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept, as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these(messengers), having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before--an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering." (Jude 1:6-7 YLT)

"And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these(angels) given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:6-7 ASV)

"Remember too those angels who were not content to maintain the dominion assigned to them, but abandoned their proper dwelling-place; God is holding them, bound in darkness with everlasting chains, for judgement on the great day. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbouring towns; like the angels, they committed fornication and indulged in unnatural lusts; and in eternal fire they paid the penalty, a warning for all." (Jude 1:6-7 REB)
The prophecy of Enoch, v14 also considered it a sin of angels with humans -
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be an hundred and twenty years. The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men which were of old, the men of renown. And the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:1-5 RV)

About Sodom - the sin was by all the people, male and female, not just the males!
"But before they lay down, the men(’ĕnôsh) of the city, even the men(’ĕnôsh) of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter;" (Gen 19:4 ASV)

"Before they lie down, the men(’ĕnôsh) of the city--men(’ĕnôsh) of Sodom--have come round about against the house, from young even unto aged, all the people from the extremity;" (Gen 19:4 YLT)

The English men here is (’ĕnôsh), which means "properly a mortal" , not specifically males and since it is "all the people", we know this was not sinful males, but ALL THE PEOPLE. The difference between "men(’ĕnôsh)" and "male(zâkâr) can be seen in a previous chapter -

"And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male(zâkâr) among the men(’ĕnôsh) of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him." (Gen 17:23 KJV)

"The sin of Sodom of Gomorrah was of sexual nature." ??? Then why does not Eze. 16:48-50 not say so? The Jews about 180 BC did not see it as specifically a sexual sin, but one of arrogance:

"Neither spared he the place where Lot sojourned, but abhorred them for their pride." (Sir 16:8 KJVA)
"He did not spare the neighbors of Lot, whom he loathed on account of their arrogance." (Sir 16:8 NRSVA)

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination(to ebah). (Lev 18:22 KJV) This sin is to ebah, religious things connected with idols. This is the male cult prostitutes of Dt. 23:17.

Heb. 13:4 "That includes same-sex fornicators." ????
1. In 1 Cor. 6:9 the fornicators are distinguished from the arsenokoites, claimed to be "homosexuals" by some.
2. Nowhere in the Bible where the genders are indicated, is any same-sex sin called "fornication".
3. The definition of "fornication" is always in reference to marriage. So, in applying 'fornication' to male with male today, that must mean that SCOTUS was right to legalize same-sex marriage.

 

[Twistie]

I'll answer the many erroneous remarks in one post here.

"Lev 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
The words sodomizer, sodomy and sodomite aren't in this verse. So why ignore it?"

The book of Leviticus itself says to ignore it, unless you are an Israelite at Mt. Sinai!
"These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses." (Lev 26:46 KJV)
"These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai." (Lev 27:34 KJV)

"And likewise also the men, leaving(RSV "gave up"; NRSV "giving up"; YLT "having left"; NET2.1 "abandoned") the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." (Rom 1:27 KJV)
*Gay guys never were using women to begin with, so they would not be 'leaving', 'giving up' or 'abandoning' that which they did not actively possess! Heterosexuals who were eaten up with, or consumed with lust did abandon, leave and give up the natural use of the woman!

"messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept, as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these(messengers), having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before--an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering." (Jude 1:6-7 YLT)

"And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these(angels) given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:6-7 ASV)

"Remember too those angels who were not content to maintain the dominion assigned to them, but abandoned their proper dwelling-place; God is holding them, bound in darkness with everlasting chains, for judgement on the great day. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbouring towns; like the angels, they committed fornication and indulged in unnatural lusts; and in eternal fire they paid the penalty, a warning for all." (Jude 1:6-7 REB)
The prophecy of Enoch, v14 also considered it a sin of angels with humans -
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be an hundred and twenty years. The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men which were of old, the men of renown. And the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:1-5 RV)

About Sodom - the sin was by all the people, male and female, not just the males!
"But before they lay down, the men(’ĕnôsh) of the city, even the men(’ĕnôsh) of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter;" (Gen 19:4 ASV)

"Before they lie down, the men(’ĕnôsh) of the city--men(’ĕnôsh) of Sodom--have come round about against the house, from young even unto aged, all the people from the extremity;" (Gen 19:4 YLT)

The English men here is (’ĕnôsh), which means "properly a mortal" , not specifically males and since it is "all the people", we know this was not sinful males, but ALL THE PEOPLE. The difference between "men(’ĕnôsh)" and "male(zâkâr) can be seen in a previous chapter -

"And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male(zâkâr) among the men(’ĕnôsh) of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him." (Gen 17:23 KJV)

"The sin of Sodom of Gomorrah was of sexual nature." ??? Then why does not Eze. 16:48-50 not say so? The Jews about 180 BC did not see it as specifically a sexual sin, but one of arrogance:

"Neither spared he the place where Lot sojourned, but abhorred them for their pride." (Sir 16:8 KJVA)
"He did not spare the neighbors of Lot, whom he loathed on account of their arrogance." (Sir 16:8 NRSVA)

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination(to ebah). (Lev 18:22 KJV) This sin is to ebah, religious things connected with idols. This is the male cult prostitutes of Dt. 23:17.

Heb. 13:4 "That includes same-sex fornicators." ????
1. In 1 Cor. 6:9 the fornicators are distinguished from the arsenokoites, claimed to be "homosexuals" by some.
2. Nowhere in the Bible where the genders are indicated, is any same-sex sin called "fornication".
3. The definition of "fornication" is always in reference to marriage. So, in applying 'fornication' to male with male today, that must mean that SCOTUS was right to legalize same-sex marriage.

You follow as false god.. you wanna be a homo then be a homo but your going against what the Lord says. To twist His words for your evil vile ways and blaspheming the Holy Spirit isn't helping you any you just dug your own grave

Like he told the fig tree to wither and die for producing no figs He will do the same to those who produce no fruit
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[Dylan569]

Your splitting hairs a homosexual is perversion are you one who believes adults have the right to sleep with children because they r born that way to?

It's awfully week sounding when you claim one can't control their sexual urges like an animal can't control theirs

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To sleep with children is a psychological disorder and classed as such. The Bible does not give us the 'age of consent'! So, you claim that every gay man has the GIFT of sexual abstinence and not every straight man has the GIFT?

"I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has a particular gift from God, one having one kind and another a different kind. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am. But if they are not practicing self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion." (1Cor 7:7-9 NRSV) *This is not even talking about a lifetime of abstinence

"I think that, in view of the impending crisis, it is well for you to remain as you are. Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife." (1Cor 7:26-27 NRSV)

 

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Your splitting hairs a homosexual is perversion are you one who believes adults have the right to sleep with children because they r born that way to?

They are much closely related than you might think.

The Trojan Unicorn: Queer Theory and Paedophilia, Part I. | Dr Em

Queer Theory is based on an interpretation of power which claims that children can consent to sex with adults. Dr Em investigates.

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This sounds liberating and progressive until we remember that ‘the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant’ include the idea that adults should not sexually abuse children. Unnervingly, the reframing of child sexual abuse and liberating of paedophilia from the margins of society is a dominant idea within queer theory.

The Origin of Queer Theory: Gayle Rubin's "Thinking Sex"

To help people understand what Queer Theory is and always has been about, James Lindsay proudly hosts a three-part New Discourses Podcast series reading through "Thinking Sex" in full and offering his commentary on it.

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we learn that Queer Theory from its very beginnings is profoundly interested in both child pornography and pedophilia

 

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The book of Leviticus itself says to ignore it, unless you are an Israelite at Mt. Sinai!

Really? The first time the commandments were read to people, was it only Jews?

Jos 8:30 Then Joshua built an altar to the LORD, the God of Israel, in Mount Ebal,
Jos 8:31 just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Jos 8:32 He wrote there on the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written, in the presence of the sons of Israel.
Jos 8:33 All Israel with their elders and officers and their judges were standing on both sides of the ark before the Levitical priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, the stranger as well as the native. Half of them stood in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, just as Moses the servant of the LORD had given command at first to bless the people of Israel.
Jos 8:34 Then afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessing and the curse, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Jos 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel with the women and the little ones and the strangers who were living among them.

Rom 2:12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13 For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
Rom 2:14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Rom 2:15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

How does anyone sin ( including Gentiles ) if there is no law to break?

Thread 'Gentiles and the Law'

Nov 8, 2023

The first time the "10 commandments" ( Law, Torah ) were read after the sons of Israel entered Canaan
is accounted in Joshua 8. It says here that when it was read, it was read the "strangers" among them.

Josh 8:30; Then Joshua built an altar to the LORD, the God of Israel, in Mount Ebal,
Josh 8:31; just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Josh 8:32; He...

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[Dylan569]

You follow as false god.. you wanna be a homo then be a homo but your going against what the Lord says. To twist His words for your evil vile ways and blaspheming the Holy Spirit isn't helping you any you just dug your own grave

Like he told the fig tree to wither and die for producing no figs He will do the same to those who produce no fruit
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Your reply tells it ALL! So, you are calling me a "homo" and that I have "evil ways". If I were a flaming ******, would that negate the arguments I make? Your post abounds in Christian love? "It is hate the sin but love the sinner"?? Your reply shows exactly what the fundamentalist, religious right, homophobic approach is all about. It is all about love???
Merriam-Webster
"homo - disparaging + offensive"

“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. For you do not go in yourselves, and when others are going in, you stop them. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves." (Matt 23:13-15 NRSV)

 

[Dylan569]

Really? The first time the commandments were read to people, was it only Jews?

Jos 8:30 Then Joshua built an altar to the LORD, the God of Israel, in Mount Ebal,
Jos 8:31 just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Jos 8:32 He wrote there on the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written, in the presence of the sons of Israel.
Jos 8:33 All Israel with their elders and officers and their judges were standing on both sides of the ark before the Levitical priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, the stranger as well as the native. Half of them stood in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, just as Moses the servant of the LORD had given command at first to bless the people of Israel.
Jos 8:34 Then afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessing and the curse, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Jos 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel with the women and the little ones and the strangers who were living among them.

Rom 2:12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13 For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
Rom 2:14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Rom 2:15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

How does anyone sin ( including Gentiles ) if there is no law to break?

Thread 'Gentiles and the Law'

Nov 8, 2023

The first time the "10 commandments" ( Law, Torah ) were read after the sons of Israel entered Canaan
is accounted in Joshua 8. It says here that when it was read, it was read the "strangers" among them.

Josh 8:30; Then Joshua built an altar to the LORD, the God of Israel, in Mount Ebal,
Josh 8:31; just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Josh 8:32; He...

• B-A-C
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God's commandments existed from Genesis through to Revelation, but you referred to a verse(s) in Leviticus, a part of the Old Covenant, the Law of Moses. You guys are stumbling all over yourselves.

 

[Dylan569]

Definition of SELF-ABUSE

reproach of oneself; masturbation; abuse of one's body or health… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

abusers - often means sexual nature.

Yes, it is of a sexual nature as the 1828 Webster's shows:

ABU'SER, n. s as z. One who abuses, in speech or behavior; one that deceives; a ravisher; a sodomite. 1 Cor 6.

RAV'ISHER, n. 1. One that takes by violence. 2. One that forces a woman to his carnal embrace.

The 1828 dictionary gives the meaning that is close to the time of the KJV and even refers to the Bible. It even lets us know what the meaning of "sodomite" is!

 

[B-A-C]

You guys are stumbling all over yourselves

And yet... all these verses are in the New testament ( new Covenant )

Matt 15:3 Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God?
Matt 19:17 “Why ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. But to answer your question—if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments.”
Matt 19:20 “I’ve obeyed all these commandments,” the young man replied. “What else must I do?”
Matt 22:40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”
Mark 10:19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’”
Mark 10:20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”
Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of religious law was standing there listening to the debate. He realized that Jesus had answered well, so he asked, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
Luke 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous in God’s eyes, careful to obey all of the Lord’s commandments and regulations.
Luke 18:20 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’”
Luke 18:21 The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”
John 14:15 “If you love me, obey my commandments.
John 14:21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.”
John 15:10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments say, “You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet.” These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1Cor 7:19 For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God’s commandments.
Eph 2:15 He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.
Heb 9:19 For after Moses had read each of God’s commandments to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, along with water, and sprinkled both the book of God’s law and all the people, using hyssop branches and scarlet wool.
1Jn 3:24 Those who obey God’s commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us.
1Jn 5:2 We know we love God’s children if we love God and obey his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 Loving God means keeping his commandments, and his commandments are not burdensome.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was angry at the woman and declared war against the rest of her children—all who keep God’s commandments and maintain their testimony for Jesus.

According to this, you are a liar and you don't know Jesus.

1Jn 2:3 And we can be sure that we know him if we obey his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth.

 

[Dylan569]

And yet... all these verses are in the New testament ( new Covenant )

Matt 15:3 Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God?
Matt 19:17 “Why ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. But to answer your question—if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments.”
Matt 19:20 “I’ve obeyed all these commandments,” the young man replied. “What else must I do?”
Matt 22:40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”
Mark 10:19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’”
Mark 10:20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”
Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of religious law was standing there listening to the debate. He realized that Jesus had answered well, so he asked, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
Luke 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous in God’s eyes, careful to obey all of the Lord’s commandments and regulations.
Luke 18:20 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’”
Luke 18:21 The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”
John 14:15 “If you love me, obey my commandments.
John 14:21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.”
John 15:10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments say, “You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet.” These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1Cor 7:19 For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God’s commandments.
Eph 2:15 He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.
Heb 9:19 For after Moses had read each of God’s commandments to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, along with water, and sprinkled both the book of God’s law and all the people, using hyssop branches and scarlet wool.
1Jn 3:24 Those who obey God’s commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us.
1Jn 5:2 We know we love God’s children if we love God and obey his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 Loving God means keeping his commandments, and his commandments are not burdensome.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was angry at the woman and declared war against the rest of her children—all who keep God’s commandments and maintain their testimony for Jesus.

According to this, you are a liar and you don't know Jesus.

1Jn 2:3 And we can be sure that we know him if we obey his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth.

And what commandment am I supposed to be breaking? Must be a special one, because I doubt anyone goes a day without sinning in thought or deed.

 

[Twistie]

Your reply tells it ALL! So, you are calling me a "homo" and that I have "evil ways". If I were a flaming ******, would that negate the arguments I make? Your post abounds in Christian love? "It is hate the sin but love the sinner"?? Your reply shows exactly what the fundamentalist, religious right, homophobic approach is all about. It is all about love???
Merriam-Webster
"homo - disparaging + offensive"

“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. For you do not go in yourselves, and when others are going in, you stop them. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves." (Matt 23:13-15 NRSV)

Are you a homo?? Or perhaps one ya Love is idk like I said IDC what ya are but the Word will not change for you..

I have tested your Spirit like I am told to do and I find you r a false witness trying to cause discord among us he people of YH trying to lead the blind down a road to hell



You take His word n twist it to do n or spread lies and give rights to do vile deeds I see what you r a deceived spirit trying to spread your lies..

Or perhaps your just an evil doeri


You cry one can't My God says His children can overcome any evil but apparently your in love with the ways of the wicked

Woe unto you n those who follow after you..

You search for those who will scratch them itchy ears with what you want to hear.. you turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness," essentially saying it's ok misuse God's grace as an excuse for immoral behavior;

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur

Depart from me, you evil ones, so that I may obey my God's commands. 115 Get away from me, you who do evil! Then I can do what my God commands me to do.

 

[Twistie]

To sleep with children is a psychological disorder and classed as such. The Bible does not give us the 'age of consent'! So, you claim that every gay man has the GIFT of sexual abstinence and not every straight man has the GIFT?

"I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has a particular gift from God, one having one kind and another a different kind. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am. But if they are not practicing self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion." (1Cor 7:7-9 NRSV) *This is not even talking about a lifetime of abstinence

"I think that, in view of the impending crisis, it is well for you to remain as you are. Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife." (1Cor 7:26-27 NRSV)

It's plain EVIL ya can't even speak the Truth for He is not in you.
Your like them false preachers in them false temples that water down words to fit your agenda
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[Rhema]

The book of Leviticus itself says to ignore it, unless you are an Israelite at Mt. Sinai!

Your text says "in" but you changed the word to "at" losing all credibility as a scholar.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to πληρόω pour until filled. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is come into a new state of being.​

(Matthew 5:17-18 NRSV+)

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all perish just as they did."​

(Luke 13:5 NRSV)

Dylan, just repent. Do not stand before God trying to justify what He has called sin.

Rhema