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Cohabiting and sex before marriage

I find the logic behind those who don't believe in God, trying to convince others that he doesn't exist, quite strange. Those who do believe in God and in his Son, Jesus Christ, want others to believe in God so that they might be saved from the wrath of God. That's quite the motivation. I don't see any reason for those who don't believe in God to try and convince others that he doesn't exist except in that it might make them feel more secure in their beliefs or something.

According to the bible though, atheists don't exist.

Travis

I agree, if there is no heaven, hell, or God, what does it matter if people want to believe in it? How does it hurt me after death?
The fact that people have to come and argue the point, or are offended by those who believe in Jesus just gives credibility to our belief. (almost as if they aren't quite sure).
Why do they care if we believe in God or Jesus? How does that hurt anyone?
 
These days there of cohabiting and sex happening before marriage, even amongst Christians and yet the Bible is so clear on this issue of sex before marriage.
Yes, Bible is very clear about sex before marriage. If you sleep with the girl, you must pay the parents and marry her for the rest of your life with no option to divorce.
 
I think Jesus was a human like the rest of us with the same faults and failings
What we think, makes no difference, yet Jesus did not have a human seed, which means, He did not have sin information in His DNA.
 
Well as Mary was highly unlikely to be made pregnant by any deity, it is much more likely Joseph, or another guy, got her in the family way. I suspect the crazy 'virgin' birth story was only put around by the followers of Jesus to cover his unfortunate conception!

Absurd nonsense. To say the least that is. There are more than ample facts, evidence (proof) of Jesus in His day, His ministry and ultimately His resurrection witnessed by 500+ people. Facts are facts. Your opinions, your feelings, your assumptions mean nothing and hold no water to the truth. You coming to a Christian community to mock GOD, the virgin birth, etc is for what reason? What's your goal? This is your life?
 
There is no evidence the deity exists let alone anything factual about it!
There is no evidence that Deity does not exist as well. It is a mute point to talk about, you are not pushed to believe, don't push others not to. Just be a human first of all.
 
You coming to a Christian community to mock GOD, the virgin birth, etc is for what reason? What's your goal? This is your life?
He mocks God, he has a right to do so. Let God to deal with it)

"let sinner to sin".. Rev.
 
What we think, makes no difference, yet Jesus did not have a human seed, which means, He did not have sin information in His DNA.

Jesus didn't have human seed? Meaning…. he was not formed in Mary's womb from one of Mary's eggs?



Travis
 
Jesus didn't have human seed? Meaning…. he was not formed in Mary's womb from one of Mary's eggs?



Travis
Woman does not provide seed, man does. Woman accepts it and lets it grow. Ask medics, if do not wish to read Bible.
 
He mocks God, he has a right to do so. Let God to deal with it)

"let sinner to sin".. Rev.

No one has a "right" to mock GOD, that's false. They have a free will, but that's not a "right".
 
Woman does not provide seed, man does. Woman accepts it and lets it grow. Ask medics, if do not wish to read Bible.

That "seed" was provided super naturally by the Holy Spirit. (Luke 1:35)
 
No one has a "right" to mock GOD, that's false. They have a free will, but that's not a "right".
Well, even Jesus said, if someone will yell at God or Jesus himself, he might be forgiven. Meaning, ppl did and will do so. Yet, Jesus did not prohibit them, He said, them may do so, if they are that foolish. Revelation says let everything be as it is, till the Day comes. Let sinners to sin, righteous do right, holy to become more holy. This "let" lets, meaning gives a go to happen what will happen. If one mocks God, let him do it, it is his business with God. God will deal with him, he gave us no right to shut anyone's mouth or tie hands, so they won't sin.

PS: if someone will be killing christians, what would we have to do? Kill those who kills in order for them not to kill christians? What did Jesus say about evil doers and His followers? I guess "do not resist evil". How do we interpret His words is up to us and every one of us.
 
What did Jesus say about evil doers and His followers? I guess "do not resist evil". How do we interpret His words is up to us and every one of us.

I am curious where this scripture is? The closest I could find was...

Matt 5:39; "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

(There is a recent thread called "The Resistance" that talks a bit about this).
 
I am curious where this scripture is? The closest I could find was...

Matt 5:39; "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

(There is a recent thread called "The Resistance" that talks a bit about this).
Well, I just commented the meaning from the memory, not exact words, but the Bible is abundant of such comments.
 
The reason that there is so much anxiety, stress and drama in this world is because man has listened to his base needs and desires and not had respect enough for himself and the dignity and honor of the women in the world, that the scriptures profess. They call it old fashioned and outdated, but where are we and where are they? Marage, which was once an institution set up to provide a safe and clean environment to raise children up to be able to deal with the world has been reduced to a Jerry Springer episode where those who live together have no workable framework for anything except their own self centered satisfaction.

People have made a hallmark of society into a game of musical chairs in which the most vulnerable in our society, our youth is ignored while those who are old enough to be adults, act less mature than some of the children they claim to be raising. Some even have multiple partners in which the so-called women involved in this circus is not even sure wither the guy she picks tonight is eying her 10 year old daughter.

Theses people are more worried about the condition of celebrities, who constantly jump from one lover to the next and have the income to ignore their responsibilities to their young. They mimic these people because of the images of grandeur the media bombards the public with. .People today see the bouncing images of women's butts on gangster videos and the use of derogatory names for the women that one day might be mothers and think it cool to disrespect each other because of the gold jewelry and the amount of cash that seemingly flows through these gangster rappers.

What do they call those who steadfastly point out the underling insanity that comes from believing these visual fantasies? They call us judgmental and haters and try to diminish our message while they diminish themselves and everything else upon the hedonistic alter of the self.
 
Well, even Jesus said, if someone will yell at God or Jesus himself, he might be forgiven. Meaning, ppl did and will do so. Yet, Jesus did not prohibit them, He said, them may do so, if they are that foolish. Revelation says let everything be as it is, till the Day comes. Let sinners to sin, righteous do right, holy to become more holy. This "let" lets, meaning gives a go to happen what will happen. If one mocks God, let him do it, it is his business with God. God will deal with him, he gave us no right to shut anyone's mouth or tie hands, so they won't sin.

Sounds kind of like passivity to me. Being passive is one ditch on the side of the road that's easy to fall into, the other being feeling overburdened with taking everything into your own hands.
 
Revelation says let everything be as it is, till the Day comes. Let sinners to sin, righteous do right, holy to become more holy. This "let" lets, meaning gives a go to happen what will happen. If one mocks God, let him do it, it is his business with God. God will deal with him, he gave us no right to shut anyone's mouth or tie hands, so they won't sin.
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This is an interesting perspective. Does this mean everything is already decided? No more people will get saved? Actually Rev 22:11; is saying once Jesus comes, there will be no changing your story.
It will be too late. You can't live wickedly and then after the last minute try to be righteous.

We will be held accountable for those we warn and don't warn.

Eze 3:18; "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
Eze 3:19; "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.
Eze 3:20; "Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.
Eze 3:21; "However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself."

Matt 12:36; "But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment.
Matt 12:37; "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Rom 10:17; So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Rom 10:14; How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15; How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!"

Salvation for most people doesn't just happen by accident. I don't know of anyone who has gotten saved who never heard of Jesus from someone else.


Matt 10:7; "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
Acts 10:42; "And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.


2 Tim 4:1; I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Tim 4:2; preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
 
Sounds kind of like passivity to me. Being passive is one ditch on the side of the road that's easy to fall into, the other being feeling overburdened with taking everything into your own hands.
You see, two words - witness and save - are different. Jesus told his disciples to witness, but it is up to the person to accept and be saved or reject and remain in sin. Most christian religions have misconception in comprehending these two words. There was no command to save the world, but witness to the world. I may tell to someone about salvation, yet I may not tell how to behave. It is up to them. Read how Jesus was talking to ordinary unbelievers.. if, then, when, then.

PS: this is not about religious Pharisees, but unbelievers.
 
Salvation for most people doesn't just happen by accident. I don't know of anyone who has gotten saved who never heard of Jesus from someone else.
Heard about Jesus is different from heard about how behave.

If you will closely look into save and witness words, there is even present different attitude coming out of them.
"I have to save this person!" and "I have to witness to this person".
 
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