Contraception is against human life

[arunangelo]

Conjugal union is physiologically a procreative act. In this act the couple surrender themselves to the other by physiologically uniting with the other through their reproductive organs. This procreative physiological union, which is only possible between a man and a woman, unites them in a common life, which is marriage. Their union becomes an act of love (which requires sacrifice) when their giving of themselves to the other is complete enough that they have their union open to receiving and raising children.

When this union occurs outside marriage, those involved are abusing each other’s bodies; because they are uniting their bodies without uniting their lives through marriage. Similarly, when a couple holds back their total giving to one another and to a potential child that might result from their marital act by using contraception, they go against the very purpose of the marital act. Furthermore, contraception means against conception (of a new human being). It is therefore, against human life. Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love. Furthermore, by divorcing sex from marital love and procreation contraception makes people promiscuous, lustful and selfish. These result in teenage pregnancies, divorce, fornication, incest, and adultery. These in turn result in broken homes, and children with psychological disorders, criminal behavior and immorality.

 

[revbrad]

As the Bible says, in marraige the two become one

Outside of marriage you become one in sin

 

[Barabbas]

.....Similarly, when a couple holds back their total giving to one another and to a potential child that might result from their marital act by using contraception, they go against the very purpose of the marital act. Furthermore, contraception means against conception (of a new human being). It is therefore, against human life. Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love. Furthermore, by divorcing sex from marital love and procreation contraception makes people promiscuous, lustful and selfish. These result in teenage pregnancies, divorce, fornication, incest, and adultery. These in turn result in broken homes, and children with psychological disorders, criminal behavior and immorality.

Piece by piece...

they go against the very purpose of the marital act.

This is not the only purpose of marriage. there is no scripture that says otherwise.

contraception means against conception (of a new human being). It is therefore, against human life.

No, it is not. Contraception is used by responsible adults to prevent themselves from becoming parents when the financial, or other personal reasons make it very difficult to raise a child properly.

There is no scripture that says we have to breed like rabbits. As far as the scripture given to Adam, I would venture to say at seven billion people on this planet we have fulfilled that command.

Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love.

Whaaaaaaa?????? This is a ridiculous statement. By not inseminating ones wife therefore means there is no love for her??????


Which leads us to this gem...

Furthermore, by divorcing sex from marital love and procreation contraception makes people promiscuous, lustful and selfish. These result in teenage pregnancies, divorce, fornication, incest, and adultery.

Contraception does all that huh? LOL. That is so divorced from reality I wonder how anyone could hold such thoughts in their head without the aid of hallucinogenics.

We just concluded an entire thread on the subject of contraception.

The statements in the original post here are one persons very poorly thought out, logical, and most importantly...without one iota of scriptural evidence.

Please bring scriptural evidence for any claim about what Christians are supposed to do.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Conjugal union is physiologically a procreative act. In this act the couple surrender themselves to the other by physiologically uniting with the other through their reproductive organs. This procreative physiological union, which is only possible between a man and a woman, unites them in a common life, which is marriage. Their union becomes an act of love (which requires sacrifice) when their giving of themselves to the other is complete enough that they have their union open to receiving and raising children.

When this union occurs outside marriage, those involved are abusing each other’s bodies; because they are uniting their bodies without uniting their lives through marriage. Similarly, when a couple holds back their total giving to one another and to a potential child that might result from their marital act by using contraception, they go against the very purpose of the marital act. Furthermore, contraception means against conception (of a new human being). It is therefore, against human life. Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love. Furthermore, by divorcing sex from marital love and procreation contraception makes people promiscuous, lustful and selfish. These result in teenage pregnancies, divorce, fornication, incest, and adultery. These in turn result in broken homes, and children with psychological disorders, criminal behavior and immorality.

There is a lot of the Romanist doctrine here and no WORD. It misses most of what a union between a man and a woman entails.

 

[christbased]

r and to a potential child that might result from their marital act by using contraception, they go against the very purpose of the marital act. Furthermore, contraception means against conception (of a new human being). It is therefore, against human life. Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love.

Hi Arunangelo,
So... when my wife and I look at one another. Express our love for one another, talk, hold one another, forgive one another for our argument the previous evening, then hold one another and make love. Is that act sinful or not sinful ?

 

[farout]

I think there is a lot of forgetting that God made sex very wonderful in marriage. There is nothing sinful about married (to each other) sexual fun. Sometime I read some of these statements about sex in marriage that must have come from the dark ages.

I once had a couple in my church where she was raised a Roman Catholic. She had been taught that sex was what caused Adam and Eve to sin. I think the only time they had sex was to have a child. How very sad they were raised in such bad theology.

 

[Francis Drake]

Conjugal union is physiologically a procreative act. In this act the couple surrender themselves to the other by physiologically uniting with the other through their reproductive organs. This procreative physiological union, which is only possible between a man and a woman, unites them in a common life, which is marriage. Their union becomes an act of love (which requires sacrifice) when their giving of themselves to the other is complete enough that they have their union open to receiving and raising children.

When this union occurs outside marriage, those involved are abusing each other’s bodies; because they are uniting their bodies without uniting their lives through marriage. Similarly, when a couple holds back their total giving to one another and to a potential child that might result from their marital act by using contraception, they go against the very purpose of the marital act. Furthermore, contraception means against conception (of a new human being). It is therefore, against human life. Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love. Furthermore, by divorcing sex from marital love and procreation contraception makes people promiscuous, lustful and selfish. These result in teenage pregnancies, divorce, fornication, incest, and adultery. These in turn result in broken homes, and children with psychological disorders, criminal behavior and immorality.

"Use of contraception therefore makes marital union devoid of love. Furthermore, by divorcing sex from marital love and procreation contraception makes people promiscuous, lustful and selfish."

Arunangelo, you really have met the high point of absurdity here. Your theology is so full of holes.

Should a married but sadly infertile woman be deprived of a loving sexual relationship because her womb is contraceptive?
And any woman after her menopause is promiscuous, lustful and selfish when making love?

For your information, my wife and I have both always thoroughly enjoyed a loving and joy filled sexual union without the condemnation and guilt that you imply we should have for using contraceptives. Neither of us have experienced the promiscuous, lustful or selfish attitudes you seem to have found somewhere.

In Matthew24 Jesus warns about the destruction of Jerusalem. v19 "And woe to those with child, and to those who nurse children in those days."
If I, as a faithful believer, had just got married around that time, I would think very carefully about getting my wife pregnant when it might be the death of her and the child in trying to flee as Jesus warned them to. And just for your information, condoms were always available in the form of knotted intestinal (sausage) skins.

In the holocaust, some of the first to die were the pregnant women and new born children. In cases like this, sex without a contraceptive would be devoid of love and very dangerous.
According to your theology any young Jewish married couple who spent the last war running and constantly fearing for their lives would be lustful selfish and promiscuous should they engage in any sexual union.

Here is one thing I learned many years ago when I first started studying the word. If anyone ever came up with an interesting new piece of theology or supposed biblical law, the one sure way of checking its authenticity was to take the core principle of it and insert it into slightly different circumstances. Do this step by step gradually taking it further and further away from the neat and tidy circumstances it was first presented. It may stand together for a while, but then if false it soon starts to crumble. Suggest you try it out like I have with your posting.

Your theology is exposed as groundless.

 

[Eddy Fire]

arunangelo
I understand what you are saying
there is nothing wrong with couples being thoughtful
considerate
cautious
and loving in these things

I think you are suggesting that using contraception is potentially going to damage these acts of care for each other

it is obvious that male and female and sexual intercourse is something primarily designed by the Creator
for the purpose of
going forth
and multiplying
so whether anyone here or elsewhere agrees or not
to bypass the multiplying part can promote a poor and socially damaging attitude
some people think they are above any risk of developing a bad attitude towards anything or anyone
while others display such attitudes openly

a point that is often overlooked is
what consists of a marriage
and although anything against contraception is boxed into weird or catholic
there are plenty who care little for God
for marriage
for the other person
or each other
etc
who will use contraception for the benefit of getting their 'fun'
but not all who choose contraception fall into this group
so, yes
like all things in today's world
contraception can be damaging
adding to the mass of problems already in the world

abstaining can take guts
and determination
and love
and if
for good reason
like safety of the spouse
or inability to provide suitably for the child
or any other caring and considerate reason
to abstain
is a noble act and possibly better that using contraception

I am not going to get into arguments about quoting Scripture
as it is very obvious that what I am saying is a moral matter
yet
if we choose for love's sake to abstain and to not use contraception
then there is no law against it in Scripture

it may be interesting to note this Scripture
Genesis 38:9
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

and this note from Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible:
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his,.... Should not be called a son of his, but a son of his brother Er; this is to be understood only of the firstborn; all the rest of the children born afterwards were reckoned the children of the real parent of them; this shows this was a custom in use in those times, and well known, and was not a peculiar case:
and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife; to cohabit with her, as man and wife, he having married her according to his father's direction:
that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give his seed to his brother: lest his brother's wife he had married should conceive by him, and bear a son that should be called his brother's, and inherit his estate; and this is the sin, which from him is called Onania, a sin condemned by the light of nature, as well as by the word of God, and very prejudicial to mankind, as well as displeasing to God

as Genesis 38:10 states
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

the KJV says it displeased the LORD
other versions say
What he did was evil in the LORD's sight
What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight
And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing.

a sort of contraception issue?

 

[Francis Drake]

it may be interesting to note this Scripture
Genesis 38:9
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

and this note from Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible:
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his,.... Should not be called a son of his, but a son of his brother Er; this is to be understood only of the firstborn; all the rest of the children born afterwards were reckoned the children of the real parent of them; this shows this was a custom in use in those times, and well known, and was not a peculiar case:
and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife; to cohabit with her, as man and wife, he having married her according to his father's direction:
that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give his seed to his brother: lest his brother's wife he had married should conceive by him, and bear a son that should be called his brother's, and inherit his estate; and this is the sin, which from him is called Onania, a sin condemned by the light of nature, as well as by the word of God, and very prejudicial to mankind, as well as displeasing to God

as Genesis 38:10 states
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

the KJV says it displeased the LORD
other versions say
What he did was evil in the LORD's sight
What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight
And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing.

a sort of contraception issue?

Eddy Fire, this is not an issue of contraception, but of theft. Theft of the firstborn's birthright.
Normally the firstborn would receive a double portion of the inheritance. The firstborn, Er, was dead with no issue, and clearly Onan wanted the birthright for himself. Making Tamar pregnant would enable the grandchild of Judah to get the birthright hence Onan's clever "misconception". Impregnating the wife of a dead brother was normal practice at the time done to continue the blood line. It later became part of the Law.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Is not procreation equally as important as romance in marriage? And when you use contraception, are you not taking God's will out of the sex act and substituting your own?

SLE

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Yield yourselves unto the Lord
2 Chronicles 30:8

Contraception is taken for granted, in the western world it has become part of our lives

Contraception:
Allows teenage girls and boys to have sex at an earlier age
Condoms are made available at schools
And the contraceptive pill is prescribed for young teenagers.

And if a young person (or anyone) happens to become pregnant then murder (abortion) is offered as a choice.

(Abstinence until married does not appear to be on the curriculum for teaching youngsters these days)

Contraception makes adultery easier and less risky

Contraception makes prostitution possible

It is a worldly way of making a sinful action safer and more acceptable.
It is so easy to use contraception that Christian and moral standards are just being overlooked in all aspects of life.

For a married couple living a Christ filled life, with Jesus put first and foremost.... natural forms of contraception should perhaps be prayerfully considered and the Lord's will sought.

Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is His reward.
Psalm 127:3

 

[rizen1]

Contraception ]makes prostitution possible
It is a worldly way of making a sinful action safer and more acceptable.

As a Christian female I'll have to agree here. Pregnancy is one obvious sign of a sexually active female. No one is saying Married couples can not have sex. Both Husband and Wife need to understand ovulation, the menstrual Cycle, life span of ***** inside the woman and the conditions needed for conception.

Reasons I've heard outside talkjesus to support contraception in bold ,my response regular font.

Over-population-- used to justify mankind's over consumerism, greed, over consumption, wastefulness of the resources taken from poor third world countries.

Finance/burdens--start growing your own food, become resourceful and creative

Responsibilities/priorites ---poor familes are looked down upon for having a big families, its as if society believes the human body operates differently between the rich and poor.

Dependency ---to break away from being a Brother's Keeper, we blame the poor for their situation to relieve ourselves from the burden of charity.

This could be my own outdated beliefs, but the conversation is important.

 

[dannibear]

Allows teenage girls and boys to have sex at an earlier age
Condoms are made available at schools
And the contraceptive pill is prescribed for young teenagers.

Just as Rizen1 has stated, I also agree with the fact that contraception is abused. What we also can't ignore are the other uses of contraception that I mentioned in another thread and will mention here as well. You are right to state that the pill is prescribed to young teenagers, undoubtedly many choose to take it to prevent pregnancy. (I graduated high school in 2012 so I am familiar with that.) There are women, teenager or older, who take them for a specific medical reason, and the reason I mention this specific condition is because I actually suffer from it myself. PCOS, known as polycystic ovarian syndrome. A medical dictionary website sums it up as such:
"Polycystic ovary syndrome is a condition in which a woman has an imbalance of a female sex hormones. This may lead to menstrual cycle changes, cysts in the ovaries, trouble getting pregnant, and other health changes. In PCOS, mature eggs are not released from the ovaries. Instead, they can form very small cysts in the ovary. Most of the time, PCOS is diagnosed in women in their 20s or 30s. However, it may also affect teenage girls. According to doctors, one of the best ways to treat PCOS in women who are not trying to conceive is through birth control pills. This is because women with PCOS typically have irregular hormonal levels such as increased testosterone levels. By prescribing birth control pills, doctors are able to better control these hormonal imbalances."
Since I am not trying to conceive, I am taking contraception to help with this condition. Before taking this prescription, I had an incident a year and a half ago where I had to go to the hospital at 5am because one of the 3 cysts in my right ovary had ruptured. This can be dangerous depending on the size because it can cause shock and may injure other organs around the cyst or the abdomen. This caused immense pain. Since then I have been taking the pill to regulate my hormones and to prevent the formation of these cysts.

We all must be careful not to cast judgement on a woman because she takes contraception. (And by the way I am not saying you are passing judgement I am just adding on to what your saying.) There are a number of reasons someone takes the pill, but we don't know the story of a woman that passes us on the street. This was the major criticism against the Catholic Church for example, when they were totally against contraception. They have since allowed that medical reason to my knowledge. When I am married and want to concieve, I will switch to a different medication that will allow me to become pregnant while also preventing cysts to form. I brought PCOS up because it is one of those instances that tends to be ignored in discussions about contraception, and women that take it for those reasons may feel judged because people may actually not know about this condition at all. While contraception for the reasons that have been listed is not pleasing to the Father, we also need to remember those women that take it for condition related to what I also have, and keep in mind what you stated about prayerfully making a decision.

 

[rizen1]

Yes Dani is correct, we sometimes also forget the group of women who have to take it for medical reasons and not to prevent conception. The human body is a complex machine, it's amazing, scary if you ask me. That's why I believe both men and women need to educate themselves on the body. I'm no know it all, but I try to read and investigate as much as I can.

We're going to have to keep the conversation directed towards the usage of contraceptives to prevent conception.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Francis Drake]

Is not procreation equally as important as romance in marriage? And when you use contraception, are you not taking God's will out of the sex act and substituting your own?

SLE

Procreation and romance are not merely linked by sex. And nobody is automatically taking God's will out of sex by using contraceptives, unless they are deliberately deceiving their partner out of offspring.
One of the most sacrosanct aspects of the creation of man is the freewill factor. God permits us to enjoy freewill and to reap the consequences of it. That includes sex, with or without producing children.

When you have a pet theory, it is always useful to test it somewhere else other than the location you develop it. If it holds water elsewhere, then it may have worth. If it doesn't, then maybe you need to rethink the theory.

Say I marry a lady who has been ill for some time in her reproductive organs. She has been told that any pregnancy will kill her. We are both deeply in love, and are greatly concerned for her future. Therefore we decide not to have children, and must use contraceptives.
How does your theory apply? Are we in rebellion here? Am I wrong to choose the life of my wife against her death, and that of the child. Or should we marry but never be allowed to consummate it.

 

[christbased]

Hi have a question. My wife suffers from Major Depression. When we make Love, her mood lifts greatly and she feels much better. I find it would be almost a sin to withhold Love making from her with an "excuse" that we should only be sexually active when we are creating children, or have to put things off, for the option of using the Temperature method of contraception.

Is not Love making for BOTH procreation (making children) AND as husband and wife showing there love for each other in a physical way. Why would the use of contraception be a problem, or not a problem? It just seems natural, that a believing couple can and should make Love as pure expression of how they love and care for one another, without the additional burden of creating another child, when they might already have a few. I feel is would be almost unnatural (and almost wrong) to not. God created the act of making Love, did he not?

Is our society addicted to sex, yes. But at a core, is sex Wrong for just the pure expression of Love between a married man and woman? Why would the use, or non-use of contraception be an issue. It almost seems like a barrier that we are talking about, when expressing your love for one another, why? Some are suggesting using the Heat Method of contraception, but there is a cycle and you are restricted to that cycle, and it takes days. If my wife is majorly depressed right now, it seems almost "sinful" and selfish to withhold the act of Love making, which relieves her depression.

One of our other members, very astutely pointed out that we need to push issues through different circumstances and see what the outcome is. I think that is a solid analytical tool, to qualitatively help us as we look at and wrestle with scripture, in the light of loving others in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.
Proverbs 5:18-19

Greetings christbased

The love experienced between a man and wife is a beautiful, precious gift.
The Lord created woman for man.

Just a little explanation for you incase my previous post concerned you
In my last post I suggested that natural contraception is something to be considered prayerfully.
I believe the use of contraception is a personal matter between the man, the wife and the Lord.
By natural contraception I was referring to condoms, caps, withdrawal methods and so on......simply because I am not an advocate of 'chemicals' such as the pill, hormonal injections and spermicides.

The Lord bless you and your wife richly in His love as you share together in the union of marriage.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it;
Ephesians 5:25

 

[Kotwebck]

Contraception? Is this really a Christian issue? God looks at the heart of a person and the law he has given.
The Papal religion made contraception an issue in order to yoke their followers into deeper slavery and in the process discredit Jesus and his followers. Don't be fools like them, else the next issue discussed here would be medicinal cures for illness versus faith or whether we are allow to use technology or not.
In you heart you will know the truth of this matter. Be blessed

 

[amanda123]

Contraception? Is this really a Christian issue? God looks at the heart of a person and the law he has given.
The Papal religion made contraception an issue in order to yoke their followers into deeper slavery and in the process discredit Jesus and his followers. Don't be fools like them, else the next issue discussed here would be medicinal cures for illness versus faith or whether we are allow to use technology or not.
In you heart you will know the truth of this matter. Be blessed

I believe its a very important topic to talk about. When I was young I was on the contraceptive pill for a long time, as a Christian just because oit was the rexcomended thing to do. I have had a lot of gyni problems and they may be because I was on the pill. I didn't even think whetjer it was Christian or not to take the pill I just followed what people told me to do.

I do thinl society promotes sex by making contraception so available.

There are some arrogant answers on here but also some very carefully thought out ones ansd they are worth reading.

As someone said pray about it and be led by Godm

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Say I marry a lady who has been ill for some time in her reproductive organs. She has been told that any pregnancy will kill her. We are both deeply in love, and are greatly concerned for her future. Therefore we decide not to have children, and must use contraceptives.
How does your theory apply? Are we in rebellion here? Am I wrong to choose the life of my wife against her death, and that of the child. Or should we marry but never be allowed to consummate it.

What are the odds of that situation happening? Extremely rare, I'll wager. Of course there should be exceptions for legitimate medical reasons, but that does not validate the casual use of contraceptives.

SLE