could Jerusalem be the harlot?

[johnny botwrigh]

im looking at this subject from scripture.

i have not heard of these people or these teachings, i have not read any thing from conspiracy theorys concerning the harlot.
or who is the great harlot, none of this has been my scorse of information as you, wrongly suggest, but the scriptures have.

personaly i play some chess, im just trying to work out what pieces, what moves, and when, what moves are being made, have been made, Gods master plan, past present, and to come.

most of the theorys ive heard preached about the end times, have been within the church, some preaching the catholic church, and european nations, eu. some america, some pre trib, some during , some after and so on, the debates continuie.
on any number of subjects.

ive heard it taught Russia comes down from the north, making a pact with the arab alliance, then double cross, not stopping at Israel , but continuing their conquest into Egypt, north Africa, the middle East.
when i was in Russia, Russian genrals were boasting one day their troops would wash their feet, in the indian ocean.

some teach the king of the north, arrives in Israel three and a half years before the Kings of the East arrive.

and that the anti christ, is not antisemetic, Daniel 11-12
Daniel 11.33 but many in Israel will follow the anti christ.
the abomination in the holy of holys, the mark of the beast, being placed in the wing of the temple.
anti christian, who flee, to the mountains.

so like others, we have the jigsaw puzzle, just trying to put the pieces together, to see the picture, the pieces represent.

johnny

 

[Stephen1]

JB,

You need more work on the puzzle .... turn to the scriptures and the Lord's guidance for understanding rather than following every whim of those who post on the Internet today .... you are mixing a number of falsehoods into your view

 

[johnny botwrigh]

once again dismiss discredit

once again dismiss and to discredit. The name of your game.?

im doing no such thing as you wrongly suggest, trying only to get to the heart of the matter, seek and you will find,
i can also think out side of the box, i am not insecure in my faith.
niether insincere.

the false hood you suggest, are other peoples piont of view, or mine own, looking at the scriptures.

another example some christian teachers believe the armys surrounding Jerusalem happened in 70AD

and revelations , johnn was writting to his generation, Nero was their anti christ, ect.

people can take a subject tribulation, the rapture, and teachers with in the church have different points of view,and come to different conclusions.

for this you accuse myself continualy of conspiracys, satan and false hood, and being decieved, again not the case,

and your point of view and interpretation is the only correct one?

some of the points of view put forward can also be found in

christianforum.net bible and end times discussion

could Jerusalem be the Harlot?

Prophecy Talk - Bible Prophecy, 2012, the Rapture and the Mark of the Beast

end time discussions. they are talking and using scripture and the bible to johnny


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Re: could Jerusalem be the harlot?

by veteran on Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:53 am

<CITE>NJBeliever wrote:</CITE>
All these points are true, but again, Jerusalem does not meet the Biblical description. How is Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the saints? How has Jerusalem reigned over the kings of the earth and brought the whole planet into spiritual adultery?

It's just not there. If you have evidence of this please show me.
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It's kind of right under your nose brother, since you showed by your posts in the ten kings thread about the building in Israel funded by the Rothchilds. The phrase, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." is especially about the inner secret workings of men behind closed doors, like what deceived Israel was doing behind closed doors in Ezekiel 8. The original origin of the society of Masonry is Jewish, dating back to Solomon's Temple, and the workers king David and king Solomon hired, but from where? Ancient Babylon before that is where the mystical teachings of the ancient 'mysteries' originated. Those teachings are directly opposed to God's Truth.

Nothing wrong with hoping for only good things for Jerusalem on earth. But in that hope we are not to be deceived about what's coming to Jerusalem in the last days prior to Christ's return, as given by our Heavenly Father through His prophets and by our Lord Jesus and His Apostles. If you do a line upon line study of the OT prophets, you'll see what I'm talking about. But actually, what Paul showed in 2 Thess.2 about a false temple with a false one sitting in it, and many other related Scriptures that link to that, that should be enought to see what's meant for Jerusalem in the last days.

 

[Stephen1]

The game is over JB

 

[johnny botwrigh]

to much is at stake to play games.

To much is a stake to play games, i have spoke with many, who all express the same thing, they have been more damaged , hurt , had more attack from people within the church, other christains than they have from people out side the church, should not be this way, nor should people put up with it,
stand firm, stand up for them selves, within the church and with out,
where the spirit of the Lord is there is Freedom, if Jesus has set
you free you are free indeed, do not allow anyone to take your freedom, it cost to much.
johnny

 

[johnny botwrigh]

The star of David

the star of David, not Davids star?

its also used alot in free masonary, and the Illuminati, the Rothchilds who are head of the illuminati, are Jewish and funded alot of Israel, the supreme court.
it is said there is a large zion part to the illuminati, the only problem being is they confess satan as their god.
like in Eziekiel, when he is shown the men behind closed doors worshiping the sun god satan
The illuminati, conrol governments,put presidents into power to do their will, and to look after thier intrests, or remove them by assasination if nessary. the military, oil, most people we see are their front men, after putting president obama into power, he gave them billions of dollars, the presidents gang, point break, where has all the money gone, the crime of the century,the biggest hiest in history, done before your very eyes.
mr obama also put other illuminati frontmen into key postions head of the treasury, head of the cia.
they control fianace, their new world bank, fedral reserves, central banks. soon the micro chip, mark of the beast?
how much control they have other Israel, from behind the scences?
i often wonder why on 9/11 three Israelies, were stopped on the George Washington bridge, George washington a mason, with a van full of explosives, 40 other Israelies were also arrested, some serving military, then it all just went away? silence. johnny

EZEKIEL 20 33-49 THE BURNING THE HARLOT JERUSALEM EZEKIEL 23
EZEKIEL 20-33-49 THE BURNING EZEKIEL 23 THE HARLOT JERUSALEM

i had a dream last night in the dream i entered a room, there was a young women, though unknown to me, in the dream she was known to myself, and some one i cared a great deal about, and had real compassion for, she was in quiet a terrible condition, half her hair was missing, dirty clothes, dress, an abused look about her, like a prostitute, harlot.
in my dream, she was being restored, i knew in my heart, she was beginning the road back,
having worked with heroin addicts , drug dealers, prostitutes in Spain, she had started rehab.
first i though she was over half way, back, maybe two thirds of the way, i felt in my heart, she would make a complete recovery.
then i saw a list of pages, pass before my eyes, all the things she was still vunrable to, and could easliy be bound by again,things that still had a hold on her. things were in the balance as to weather she would continuie forward, i believed she would, but there was still the chance, she could go back and the work undone.
pray for Jerusalem, Israel. may have been just a dream, may be relevent, i certainly felt alot of compassion.
in revelations 17, 18, 19 we see the mother of Harlots, Jerusalem?

revelations 20 we see Jesus reigning for a thousand years, satan is bound then loosened, gathers an army, God puts a hook through their jaw, and drags them down to Israel for slaughter.
Jerusalem in chapter 20 revelations is referred to as the beloved city. Jerusalem.20-9
johnny

 

[lecoop]

JB is absolutely right on this one.

What you all, And Stephen in particular, have missed, is the TIMING: WHEN is Jerusalem the Harlet?

Or course the answer is, when the antichrist RULES from Jerusalem. He and the false prophet deceive THE WHOLE WORLD from Jerusalem. THAT is why she is the great ***** Babylon. God planned that the Jerusalem would point to HIM, but in the end, she deceived the entire world.

Revelation 17:18
And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

WHERE is this in Revelation? Of course it is in chapter 17. It relates to the last half of the 70th week; the time that the Antichrist is ruling from Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is Jerusalem until the midpoint of the week. It is THEN that she becomes the great ***** Babylon. And because it is Babylon that is totally destroyed, Jerusalem will live again.

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Where do the two witnesses die? Of course it is Jerusalem.

Revelation 16:19
Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

It does not say it in this verse - but you can bet this is speaking again of Jerusalem.

Revelation 14:8
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

It does not say Jerusalem here either, but Jerusalem is where the Beast will be, and the WORST deception ever perpetrated upon the world comes straight from Jerusalem. It will be the one and only time that Islam rules the entire world. It is a false religion where EVEN TODAY billions are deceived into a religion that DENYS the SON.

This is where one MUST beleive the scriptures, and not man made doctrines or what "seems" to make sense.

Believe it folks, the intent of the Author, the HOly Spirit is that the Great ***** Babylon is none other than the Great City, Jerusalem. But during this time of great fornication, God calls her Babylon.

Good job here, Johnny!

Coop

 

[Darian]

Babylon

Alright Coop, I'm good with that. It makes total sense. Good one. But I will need to search it diligently for myself before I stand on it. And that because, as Daniel was told, there will be seventy weeks left of prophecy for the nation Israel, and 69 of them were fulfilled with the death of Christ, all "as yet unfulfilled" prophecy concerning Israel must fall within the seventieth week.

 

[Eagle_Eyes]

It is not Islam or terrorism we should fear but Roman Catholiticism as the harlot that sits on seven hills is the Roman Catholic Church. In Revelation it says to count the number of the beast which is 666. The pope is known by the name 'Vicarivs Filii Dei' which means 'Vicar in the place of God'. We know in the Bible that it expressly tells us to call no man on earth our father and yet millions in error call the pope their father! If you take the roman numerals in the name aforementioned you will see it perfectly adds up to 666 (Vicarivs= 112, Filii=53, Dei= 501).

Consider Revelation 13:3. The wounded head was the pagan roman empire and it rose again as the papal roman church. The roman empire divided and conquered and this same seed (which God hates) rose up in the papal church and, as we know, was doing its evil work in the dark ages. They will rise again in these last days in the great tribulation but not before the Bride has gone in a rapture.

God Bless!

 

[johnny botwrigh]

i here what you are saying, intresting

i know the vatican state will have a part to play, in the end times,
i can see why many think Rome fits the bill, i used to accept this and think the same.

but the points raised in this debate if you go through them and check the scriptures,
one for exsample, that great city, were their Lord was crucified.

Jesus was not crucified in Rome.

I think Jerusalem will be the Harlot,

but will be come the beloved city, after the return of Jesus, restored.

johnny

 

[spirit1st]

I doubt its old jerusalem ! Our LORD rules from there 1000years!
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

There Were No saints until the LORD died on the Cross and Made us saints!

Old Jerusalem Will not be destroyed until the end , when HE destroys the earth and creates a New One!

I cannot find the scriptures right now! Some of you guys know them . Where the LORD rules from old jerusalem for 1000 years! Could you post them?








Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

[spirit1st]

I do not understand , Why people keep thinking the war of Gog and Magog,
Is after the 1000 years of peace!Yet other keep preaching it part of the anti-christ battle???



Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


The LORDS ruling of of old jerusalem for the 1000 years! He calls it the beloved city and tells us to pray for its PEACE!

He said we are All blessed if we love the jews!

 

[johnny botwrigh]

jerusalem the harlot? mog and gog

some believe the anti christ will reign from Jerusalem, before Jesus returns in great power and glory with the host of heaven with him.

see also may be of intrest, the post, the illiminati and rothchilds ruling influence in Israel.

after satan has been bound for a thousand years, once loosened he goes and gathers mog and gog, a mulitude, God puts a hook through their jaw, and brings them down to Israel for slaughter.

johnny

 

[spirit1st]

It Appears to me !The main anti-christ does enter isreal and sets up his home base!



2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[lecoop]

I doubt its old jerusalem ! Our LORD rules from there 1000years!
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

There Were No saints until the LORD died on the Cross and Made us saints!

Old Jerusalem Will not be destroyed until the end , when HE destroys the earth and creates a New One!

I cannot find the scriptures right now! Some of you guys know them . Where the LORD rules from old jerusalem for 1000 years! Could you post them?








Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This is part of the reason God calls it Babylon, and says that no one will ever live in "Babylon" again; you see Babylon is Jerusalem as an apsotate city, deceiving the entire world. THAT city, as a great ***** will cease to exist and no one will ever live there; But Jerusalem - thought mostly destroyed, will rise again! Certainly Jesus will reign from there - but NEVER AGAIN will anything false come from Jerusalem.

Coop