David Wilkerson: An Urgent Message

[beam]

Prepare as Joseph did

Greetings to you all,

About 3 months ago i started packing extra tinned food away in our bedroom cupboard, and we all joked about it, I said to my family that's end time food not to be touched now.

Then we went through a valley and I thought maybe I was just outaline and we used the food.

But about a month ago I got this same feeling to start collecting food again, this time with toiletries, I have even been buying veggie seeds. I have also heard the word being spread this side of the world in South Africa, God's people must start preparing as Joseph did.

But one thing we must be aware of is that we do not allow a spirit of fear and panic to intimidate or disctract us in any way, rather as we go about collecting the extra food and necessaties we must rejoice that we are forewarned and rejoice that we operate in the wisdom of God, who shows us things to come. and of course pray non-stop for others.

Come Lord Jesus, come.

Love ya all stax an stax an stax
Best regards
beam

 

[Fellowservant]

Wilkerson here is basically saying to prepare if you live in the city of New York. He is likely seeing the possible results of many people in New York city losing their jobs.

If that happens the parents of many a child, is going to find many of them likely getting into trouble.( Ie riots, gangs, and the like.) The parents might even join them, if this gets really bad.


He also makes a claim that this will go world wide? i think.

Anyway we will have to wait and see...

God bless

 

[Stamper75]

So does this David Wilkerson think we're in the end times?

 

[hope]

I don't know whether this is true or false prophecy but for the sake of balance below is a dissenting voice detailing times Mr Wilkerson has got it wrong in the past.

I think all God-fearing Christians are filled with a longing to see our corrupt western culture swept away by Him, and sometimes this spills over into prophecy that is hopeful rather than God-breathed. Let me re-state though that I dont know which this latest is, and everyone should pray for God to show them personally whether this prophecy is true or false.

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1. NO MORE GOSPEL ON TV BY 1999?
He preached this in the Solomon Church in December of 1994:
"Right now I sense in my spirit that in less than 5 years there will be no more so-called gospel television networks. They will all fall into bankruptcy and absolute ruin."


2. 1000 FIRES IN NEW YORK CITY DUE TO RACE RIOTS IN 1993?
From a prophecy of September 7, 1992:
"I have had recurring visions of over 1,000 fires burning at one time here in New York city. I am convinced race riots will soon explode! New York City is right now a powder keg-ready to blow!...federal and State Welfare cutbacks will be the spark that ignites the fuse. Next year, New York City could have over 100,000 angry men on the streets, enraged because they have been cut off from benefits....Federal troops will have to move in to restore order. New York City will have tanks running down its avenues....Churches will be closed for a season because it will be too dangerous to travel about. Fires will rage everywhere."
Although Wilkerson set the expiration date of this prophecy himself - " Next year" (i.e. 1993), he now says that this is yet future. This is a common expedient for those who assume themselves to be prophets, moving the goal-posts, hoping that others will forget by then.



3. FINANCIAL CRASH IN 2000?
On April 15 of that year, Wilkerson prophesied this:
"For the last two years I have been crying aloud, warning all who would hear that America is receiving her last call and that judgment is at the door. I did not say this was the end of the nation, but the last call before a financial crash."
"I am writing this letter to you on Saturday, April 15, 2000. I have on my desk the headlines in yesterday's paper: "BLACK FRIDAY - BIGGEST ONE-DAY DROP IN HISTORY." The Dow fell 618 points - the Nasdaq fell 355. I do not know what is coming in the next sixty days. If the market bounces back, I can assure you it will be temporary. THE CRASH IS INEVITABLE - NOTHING CAN STOP IT."


To his credit, he admitted his mistake after the non-event, after the market instead of crashing, reached a record high on May 22 of that year:
"In prayer, I have told the Lord I am ready at any time to confess I am wrong - that I must have spoken from my own fears or that I have spoken unadvisedly. Recently, when the market reached record highs, I wondered if those calling me a false prophet were right.">>>

Zoop, I am new here, so forgive me if I'm not in correct conversation. I see that Wilkerson prophesied many things, giving specific dates, times etc. Prophecy can not always be taken upon face value. Translators of prophecy differ in their unveiling of the truth within, and can sometimes cause spiritual turmoil.

Prophecy throughout the Bible has been various and different, speaking of very soon to hundreds of years from now; in one prophecy.

I wouldn't count out Wilkerson's prophecy entirely because of dates. If you reread your quotes, then read the most current prophecy by him, you will see there is common ground. One is fire. Two is destruction, and God's judgment. Three, is America. So, there are a few common denominators.

Don't forget that many believe Daniel's prophecy is the same as John's in Revelations.

GB

 

[johnlewis42]

So does this David Wilkerson think we're in the end times?

Firstly CHAD, You would have a big job on your hands trying to persuade dedicated Bible students that Revelation 18 is talking about anything other than the judgement on Roman Catholicism in particular and in general all false religion.

As regards the question at the top. A man called Ussher is one among several that have put specific dates on all Old Testament historical events because God in His wisdom decided to give us a chronology of events with a timescale and Ussher's date for the creation week is 4004BC. Date of Jesus birth is 4BC. Date of His crucifixion is 29/30AD. Working on the Scriptures that 'With God a thousand years is as a day, and a day as a thousand years' one possible view is that God, being a God of order, has a plan for the earth that covers seven thousand years. View God's plan for the earth as a Midrash [prophetic view] shown by the creation week of seven days. We know He will reign in Jerusalem for a thousand years, which we call the millenium reign of Christ, and in this view would conform as the day of rest [or sabbath]for the earth after which the earth is burnt up with fervent heat as predicted in Peter's second epistle. So if the earth's history is seven thousand years from beginning to end, work it out for yourself. The end of this age is very near. Why hasn't Jesus returned yet if what I say is right? Because He is God and He spent 33 years on this earth already. He may count that as part of the millenium, who knows. He is God, but one thing is for sure. His coming is very soon now. Israel became a nation in 1948 and Jesus said all things would happen in one generation after that. I for one cannot see how He can delay His coming for more than another nine years

 

[Chad]

So does this David Wilkerson think we're in the end times?

Firstly CHAD, You would have a big job on your hands trying to persuade dedicated Bible students that Revelation 18 is talking about anything other than the judgement on Roman Catholicism in particular and in general all false religion.

As regards the question at the top. A man called Ussher is one among several that have put specific dates on all Old Testament historical events because God in His wisdom decided to give us a chronology of events with a timescale and Ussher's date for the creation week is 4004BC. Date of Jesus birth is 4BC. Date of His crucifixion is 29/30AD. Working on the Scriptures that 'With God a thousand years is as a day, and a day as a thousand years' one possible view is that God, being a God of order, has a plan for the earth that covers seven thousand years. View God's plan for the earth as a Midrash [prophetic view] shown by the creation week of seven days. We know He will reign in Jerusalem for a thousand years, which we call the millenium reign of Christ, and in this view would conform as the day of rest [or sabbath]for the earth after which the earth is burnt up with fervent heat as predicted in Peter's second epistle. So if the earth's history is seven thousand years from beginning to end, work it out for yourself. The end of this age is very near. Why hasn't Jesus returned yet if what I say is right? Because He is God and He spent 33 years on this earth already. He may count that as part of the millenium, who knows. He is God, but one thing is for sure. His coming is very soon now. Israel became a nation in 1948 and Jesus said all things would happen in one generation after that. I for one cannot see how He can delay His coming for more than another nine years

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to take biblical teachings from someone who finishes off by saying this:

I for one cannot see how He can delay His coming for more than another nine years

The bible is very clear that no one knows the day or hour except the Father.

Mark 13:31-33 (English Standard Version)

<sup id="en-ESV-24741" class="versenum" value="31">31</sup> Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
No One Knows That Day or Hour

<sup id="en-ESV-24742" class="versenum" value="32">32</sup>"But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. <sup id="en-ESV-24743" class="versenum" value="33">33</sup> Be on guard, keep awake. For you do not know when the time will come.

Let's stay on topic of the OP now anyway.

 

[enoshe]

I'm sure that God's thought toward America is not evil but peace and to give a future and a hope.

In Korea(south), there was a warning from Loren Cunningham(YWAM) in 2005, It's about if ministers and pastors of churches don't repent for their sexual corruption and loving money, the Church of Korea must face to the event of bleeding by God's punishing hands. When we got that massage, in deep repentance, we began to cry out to God and find His face and mercy. Dramatically it was the greatest year of spiritual revive in Korea. Our worship and operation were cleaned and more fucused on the intimacy with God. I thank God for giving us gracious chance to be close to Him through that warning prophecy.

We(Korea church) have been prayed for America hardly cause we are owe the Gospel to America. God will renew them as a bride without blemish once again. I'm sure!
Start New-thing, and One-thing in the Jeshua Hamassiah! ^ㅁ^

Inasmuch as the End-time is coming, God requires us to be more matured.

"End-time believers will engage in the prayer of faith to bind and loose according to God’s will. Fear need NOT dominate our spirit and extinguish our faith. We need not fear the Tribulation as powerless victims seeking to escape it." -Mike Bickle(IHOP-KC)-

 

[hope]

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to take biblical teachings from someone who finishes off by saying this:
The bible is very clear that no one knows the day or hour except the Father.

Well then, I guess that jeopardizes my response to be debunked. I think we are in the second death. Babylon, the great city, I think was the Roman Empire. The beast. The false prophet I believe was the Delphi Oracle where the Roman sought their gods.

I believe we are in the times when Satan has been loosed, and gathering all to the battle of Armageddon. Remember, the beast and the false prophet are already bound, as stated previous in Revelations.

No anti Christ. No world domination. Just abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel. The world is via satellite now, so anyone and everyone has access to hear the Gospel of Jesus. Jesus said, then, the end will come. That is the only difference between 1000 yrs ago and today, we have reached all living human beings possible. Nothing is unexplored, or not discovered, no hidden people; as in American Indians in the 1700's that were here the whole while.

And, i also say I can't say exactly when, but I will agree with Johnwise that it seems to be soon.

God Bless

 

[johnlewis42]

The bible is very clear that no one knows the day or hour except the Father.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more. When I say that I do not see how He can delay His coming for more than another nine years, I am merely stateing that I see it as being that soon. I am not making a doctrine of it or putting a date on it. At the first coming of Jesus there was such a clear prophecy in Daniel that indicated that He was coming at a specific time that those who interpreted the signs properly would have been saying very similar things but nobody knew the exact day or the hour and I was certainly not claiming that as a very quick examination of my words proves. I am always open to receive more revelation.

I am saddened by the fact that I was not able to disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 18, CHAD, without incurring a certain amount of disdain in your response. To hear somebody referring Rev 18 to the twin tower incident would prompt many Bible scholars to disagree. It should lead to discussion, not rubbishing a brother's view. If I expressed my view in a way that was contentious, then I ask you to please accept my sincere apology.

 

[vedasummers]

Beam I have had the same feelings but then I think maybe I'm being stupid, I have a sort of backing from my daughter but I think my husband can't get his head around it. I have been saving rice and pasta for quite a while and some medicines. I have never had this feeling so strong before. If our feelings are right the most important thing is water. What have you done about that?

 

[Chad]

I don't think we have to worry nor be anxious. Actually, Jesus tells us not to worry or be anxious many times. He did not say to not worry unless so and so is your circumstances. No, he said plainly put: do not worry or be anxious.
[quoteit]Matthew 6:33-34 (English Standard Version)
<sup value="33" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-23316">33</sup>But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
<sup value="34" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-23317">34</sup> "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.[/quoteit]

[quoteit]Luke 12:21-23 (English Standard Version)
<sup value="21" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-25472">21</sup>So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God."

Do Not Be Anxious
<sup value="22" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-25473">22</sup>And he said to his disciples, "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat, nor about your body, what you will put on. <sup value="23" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-25474">23</sup>For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing.[/quoteit]

And finally the best one that tops it off:

[quoteit]Philippians 4:5-7 (English Standard Version)
<sup value="5" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-29431">5</sup>Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand; <sup value="6" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-29432">6</sup> do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. <sup value="7" class="versenum" id="en-ESV-29433">7</sup>And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.[/quoteit]

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

This caught my attention..

What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. D.Wilkerson

Would that be true to be said for the time period following the crash of 1929?



1930~The unemployment rate climbs from 3.2 to 8.7 percent.
1931~The unemployment rises to 15.9 percent.
1932~The unemployment rises to 23.6 percent.
1933~Unemployment rises slightly, to 24.9 percent.

2009~Jan. The unemployment rate, meanwhile, jumped to a 16-year-high of 7.2 percent.
2009~Mar.6 The unemployment rate rose from 7.6 to 8.1 percent.



These trends look symiliar. Was the great depression the 'wrath' of God then?
To be followed up by WWII.. with hundreds of thousands of lives lost..
Wasn't the war worse than the depression itself?


Just sayin.. I've got a sudden check in my spirit.

Marco

 

[Chad]

Good point Marco. I think, at least in my mind that its just natural for us believers (and maybe unbelievers) to assume the world is about to end when you're in the midst of such catastrophe in the first place.

You can only imagine what people felt like during WWI, WWII, Civil War, Great Depression of the 30's, etc. Who could have blamed them for assuming the world was about to end for good. I can tell you one thing, had I lived in those days I would have certainly been on my knees praying more than I do now. Its almost hypocritical, but that's the truth at least for me.

 

[Fellowservant]

Well we are seeing many signs and wonders of the end, but i cant seem to get what Jesus said about many false prophets arising in the end time out of my head. Who are going too show many signs and wonders. But don't get me wrong, im not saying Wilkerson is a false prophet.

I have already seen false prophets, and even false Christ within the last five years or so. So im waiting on the lord myself, and a little worried about all that im seeing. But it will come when it comes, is all i can say. God is in control here, no matter what happens.

But i will say this, its a time to get right and close to God, always was and always will be. As he is coming for a people that are without spot or wrinkle. And yes Chad and Lion of Judah, some people thought that Hitler was the anti-christ. But at that time the polar icecaps weren't melting. So be cautious, but not too cautious. Plus a world wide recession or depression, could cause nation too rise against nation, if and when men's hearts fail them for fear. Luke 21


God bless

 

[hope]

This caught my attention..
These trends look symiliar. Was the great depression the 'wrath' of God then?
To be followed up by WWII.. with hundreds of thousands of lives lost..
Wasn't the war worse than the depression itself?


Just sayin.. I've got a sudden check in my spirit.

Marco

Hey Marco, no offense here, but my spirit isn't so in check. Today is much, much different than the prior events you mentioned. Nuclear weapons, and global communications is something that is tremendously different in today's time. The world could be destroyed with the motion of a finger today. :wink:

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

Who could have blamed them for assuming the world was about to end for good. I can tell you one thing, had I lived in those days I would have certainly been on my knees praying more than I do now. Its almost hypocritical, but that's the truth at least for me.

I don't think it's hypocritical.
As New Millenium Christians today, I think we've somewhat resolved in our mind, and reconciled it within ourselves, that we very well could be the last generation. We understand our place in history.

During the depression and both WW's, Israel wasn't yet reestablished as a nation again. That prophetic event is really what cements our generation as so different from the past ones.


Marco

 

[Ed]

I don't think that we need to fear a nuclear attack. If such was possible in the 70s, 80s, and even 90s, then somebody would have already flipped the cover and pushed the red button.

Also, has anybody noticed that since the original 9/11 there have been no further terrorist attacks on U.S. soil? Hmmm....

Also, everyone knows that there is the threat that this country will go into a greater depression that the 1930s-40s. But the Lord has been steadily warning us for a couple of years now.

I even had one lady prophesize that Vegas will end up going through the same as the great Chicago fires that destroyed most of the town. So what did she do? She jumped bail and moved to Shreveport, LA.

Funny though, Vegas is still here. I'm not saying it out of pride or anything.

Anyways, this is a good opportunity for those who are not witnessing and preaching to others outside of our houses to start doing so. I don't recommend doing a "The World Will End Tomorrow" gig, but at the very least get out there and witness more, otherwise the Lord will hold us accountable for those whom we did not reach out to.

 

[Tondaleiyo]

I believe that the Lord will come soon, we all know that He will, thats the way that we are supposed to think every day, not when some catastrophy strikes, or when someone says that they had a vision of the end of the world.

It is up to us all to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling before God, its a great work that is custom made for each of us, with God thru Christ. I don't think that it should be necessary for us to store up food supplies in fear of need, due to scary prophecies or even signs of the times. Its all about how much you trust God, the Lord provides for each of us according to how much we need each day. Right?

I hope that Jesus comes soon, but even if he doesn't while I live I still know that I will be with him regardless. I firmly agree that we should allways stay in right standing with God, removing all veils from our hearts and developing the deep personal relationship with our Heavenly Father, that is so important and necessary for, not only our own sense of certainty, but also for others around us.

Trust God to provide for you. When I take those things into my own hands I allways fail, even if there is a small amount of success its nothing compared to what happens when I let God do it, am I making any sense to anyone? There are more important things that we should be focusing on, like fruits of the spirit, and making sure that there is nothing in our hearts that would hinder us from being close with God.

Why is it so hard to stay with God every day in all things that I do? I put faith in knowing that God knows my heart and He sees that I want to make him happy (like he makes me happy), and I try with the Holy Spirit to remove things from my life that cause me to stumble. I know that I am far, far from perfect, but God still loves me just as much as he ever did.

Lets continue to encourage one another to seek God first, and let Him take care of all of the rest. I love all of you, my brothers and sisters in Christ, pray for all of those who aren't. I would hate to even imagine how worried I would be without God, watching the world fall apart around me.

 

[johnpaul]

I will look to the sky and trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. If I am destroyed, I deserve it. If not, I am blessed.

 

[trebor219]

I will look to the sky and trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. If I am destroyed, I deserve it. If not, I am blessed.

Amen and amen!