Deconstructed Christianity

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That isn't what the Bible says.

1Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

Matt 18:15; "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
Matt 18:16; "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
Matt 18:17; "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Hello @B-A-C

But all that the people you have referred to have done is leave their particular established denominations, they have done nothing condemnatory.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

No, there is only one. Those who follow the Bible 100%, and those who don't. The original church didn't have denominations. They just followed the teachings of Jesus.



It wasn't because they were "traditional", it was because they aren't. The article was just a good example of what deconstructed Christianity is. If you have a better/different article, you are certainly welcome to post it here.



Certainly the original church/Christians did not consider the Bible to be fiction. If they did, there would not be Christianity, because no one believed in it from the beginning.

Codex Sinaiticus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The is the earliest "complete" example of the Bible as we know it today. It's from the 4th century. I've read all the claims about how the Bible how changed over the years, but every time a group of
scholars compares modern Bibles with the oldest known Bibles, they are amazed how accurate they are. The Codex Sinaiticus is considered the be the standard because it's the oldest.

There are also the dead sea scrolls.

Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which of course, we don't have all the books, and many of the books we do have aren't complete. But of what we do have so far, all of it matches modern translations 100%.
What that means is, if the Bible was really changed.. it was changed before the 1st Century ended. If the Bible can't be trusted, then what do we build our doctrine and faith on?

Medieval Christian Book Discovered in Ireland Bog

A remarkably well-preserved, thousand-year-old Book of Psalms has been discovered by a construction worker in an Irish bog, a find archaeologists call "staggering."

www.nationalgeographic.com

Now of course some "Christian" denominations ( there is a reason I put the word Christian in quotes here ) had added their own sources of doctrine. The Book of Mormon and the WatchTower
come to mind. They say these are more accurate than the Bible, and yet for something that is so accurate... the book of Mormon is in it's 31st revision. Hmmmm.

You asked what my definition of traditional Christianity is... simply those who were closest to what the first churches and Christians believed and did.
Mormonism didn't exist until the 1820's. There is no way it can be traditional, simply because it hasn't been around long enough to be a tradition for multiple generations.
The same with the Jehovah's Witnesses. They are a relatively new denomination as well.

So where do we draw the line by date? I don't have a specific date. But as a rule, churches from within 100 years or so of the reformation ( 1520's) would qualify.
But these days we have to qualify that even further. For example, some Lutheran, Methodist, and Anglican churches have split up in the last generation because they have left
their original believes and charters. 100 years ago, all three of these denominations were against homosexuality, pro-choice, transgenderism, and ecumenism.
Now parts of these denominations embrace these things. So because they have changed from their original beliefs, they also don't qualify as "traditional".

What original church that didn't have denominations. What are you talking about The Original Church? Where was it and what was its name and location?

Show me where you got the documentation at?

 

[PloughBoy]

No, there is only one. Those who follow the Bible 100%, and those who don't. The original church didn't have denominations. They just followed the teachings of Jesus.



It wasn't because they were "traditional", it was because they aren't. The article was just a good example of what deconstructed Christianity is. If you have a better/different article, you are certainly welcome to post it here.



Certainly the original church/Christians did not consider the Bible to be fiction. If they did, there would not be Christianity, because no one believed in it from the beginning.

Codex Sinaiticus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The is the earliest "complete" example of the Bible as we know it today. It's from the 4th century. I've read all the claims about how the Bible how changed over the years, but every time a group of
scholars compares modern Bibles with the oldest known Bibles, they are amazed how accurate they are. The Codex Sinaiticus is considered the be the standard because it's the oldest.

There are also the dead sea scrolls.

Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which of course, we don't have all the books, and many of the books we do have aren't complete. But of what we do have so far, all of it matches modern translations 100%.
What that means is, if the Bible was really changed.. it was changed before the 1st Century ended. If the Bible can't be trusted, then what do we build our doctrine and faith on?

Medieval Christian Book Discovered in Ireland Bog

A remarkably well-preserved, thousand-year-old Book of Psalms has been discovered by a construction worker in an Irish bog, a find archaeologists call "staggering."

www.nationalgeographic.com

Now of course some "Christian" denominations ( there is a reason I put the word Christian in quotes here ) had added their own sources of doctrine. The Book of Mormon and the WatchTower
come to mind. They say these are more accurate than the Bible, and yet for something that is so accurate... the book of Mormon is in it's 31st revision. Hmmmm.

You asked what my definition of traditional Christianity is... simply those who were closest to what the first churches and Christians believed and did.
Mormonism didn't exist until the 1820's. There is no way it can be traditional, simply because it hasn't been around long enough to be a tradition for multiple generations.
The same with the Jehovah's Witnesses. They are a relatively new denomination as well.

So where do we draw the line by date? I don't have a specific date. But as a rule, churches from within 100 years or so of the reformation ( 1520's) would qualify.
But these days we have to qualify that even further. For example, some Lutheran, Methodist, and Anglican churches have split up in the last generation because they have left
their original believes and charters. 100 years ago, all three of these denominations were against homosexuality, pro-choice, transgenderism, and ecumenism.
Now parts of these denominations embrace these things. So because they have changed from their original beliefs, they also don't qualify as "traditional".

I see you know how to copy, But i believe you have never study any of these materials or did any kind of reports concerning your findings.
Or the early Congregation ushering in The "New Covenant" or its "writings" But you can correct me if I am wrong.

Because i think you are a dead fish in the water, without the internet, post stick it. But I stand corrected, if my assessments of "plagiarism" is off.

Did you do a 'dissertation" on this subject and do not mind, making it available so we all can see it.

For the EARLY Church is a very poor example, to follow, in the ways of Christ, Very poor!

PS. Where did the early church get a Bible? I did know they had one. Heck Peter could not even read. "Matthew. Luke, And Paul" could.

And the early congregation came into being, long before Apostle Paul was even converted. And he did not start sending letters to individual churches way over 20-30 years after Jesus's death. And he wrote letters to them because they were wild and practices all kinds of IdoL worshipping including incest. The early "congregation was wild". with no Bible and they were "illiterate".

I know many do not like to hear the truth, "for men love darkness rather than Light" "They who sat in Darkness, Saw A great Light"

And remember it was "Dr. LUKE" who wrote "The ACTS of The APOSTLES" meaning what the Apostles did.

 

[B-A-C]

But all that the people you have referred to have done is leave their particular established denominations, they have done nothing condemnatory.

That depends on if they've left the Faith or not. The fact remains, you said only God can judge people.

 

[PloughBoy]

That depends on if they've left the Faith or not. The fact remains, you said only God can judge people.

Remember there are different kinds of level of judgment. Especially when we talk the Biblical view and the words used in the Biblical text.

Modern Day World, You parents even taught you how to make a Judgment of people and your friends. it was a penalty for making the wrong judgment.

And God also in the Book has commanded us to make the right judgment of the Company you keep. if you make the wrong, God will discipline you for the judgment you make concerning the company you keep.

[ how can you make a judgment of the characters of these people, Because Your father will Point them out to you! "The PARAKLETOS" is in the real "Child of GOD' and He wil not fell you in pointing them out, unless you are not abiding in "the Vine". But you are harboring un confessed sins,

You are to make a righteous judgment according to His word. But in order to do so You must abide in the vine. And the Parakletos will not fail you.

King James Bible
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

14Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what [d]fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what [e]communion has light with darkness? 15And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you[f] are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”
17Therefore

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18“I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”

 

[Christ4Ever]

There are and I'm sure have always been lines being drawn as it pertains to the Christ, Jesus and the inception of the Church as a place for the Body of Christ to be joined in fellowship, worship, praise, and to what their purpose/s should be.

Yet, even in those beginnings as today, there are those who lean to the extremes of doctrines that can be found if at all, in the autographs that make up the Scriptures we hold in hand today. Meaning to what purpose are we set to follow in adhering to the Word of God in the life we live today, or any day for that matter.

The Emergent Church like the Nicolians (undefined) found in Revelation should be considered participants outside the norm of where the rest of the Church of Christ is walking or should be walking. Preferring their own imaginings/interpretations to a solid hermeneutics study would have you consider as being a proper solid doctrinal foundation for a church.

But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. ...So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Revelation 2:6, 15 KJV

Emerging spirituality (which ultimately proclaims the divinity of man) has been around since the Garden of Eden when the serpent said to Eve, ye shall be as gods (Genesis 3:5 KJV), and later when Lucifer said, I will be like the most High God (Isaiah 14:14 KJV). Emergent came on the scene when some business men (i.e., Leadership Network) launched Brian McLaren, Dan Kimball, and some others and capsulated emerging spirituality within the confines of these young leaders. Leadership Network teamed up with business guru Peter Drucker and a successful publishing house, and wham, a formula for success - the Emergent movement was birthed. These new young leaders (then called the Young Leaders Network) in turn produced books, seminars, websites, blogs, and "conversations" that bore the fruit of the current emerging church movement. And because the true premise of this movement is grounded in mysticism and Ancient Wisdom, many are grasping hold of something that has been here all along. Emergent or emerging, whatever term you want to use ... it's heading in the same direction, and that is away from the Cross.

Epistemology - the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion.

Note: Maybe Brother @PloughBoy or another of our brethren might be able to get further in-depth on epistemology that we might be able to grasp its significance in light of Scripture. Personally, I've seen this along the lines of exegesis (Reading out of biblical text what the author meant) verses eisegesis (reading into the Bible what you want it to say). This is relevant in that it would help to provide a framework for seeing where deception can easily come into play which happens when we allow enough menusha of wordings to confuse if possible even Holy Spirit understanding!​

​

I could continue on a bit with this but have been a bit under the weather with COVID. It's not an easy subject to lay one's hands on. I describe the ability in defining the Emergent as trying to nail jello on the wall. So, though I haven't read the book in which Brother BAC has referred to us in the opening post, the subject itself is not something new, or something that should be ignored, even in light of other deceptions we come across in the World today.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[PloughBoy]

There are and I'm sure have always been lines being drawn as it pertains to the Christ, Jesus and the inception of the Church as a place for the Body of Christ to be joined in fellowship, worship, praise, and to what their purpose/s should be.

Yet, even in those beginnings as today, there are those who lean to the extremes of doctrines that can be found if at all, in the autographs that make up the Scriptures we hold in hand today. Meaning to what purpose are we set to follow in adhering to the Word of God in the life we live today, or any day for that matter.

The Emergent Church like the Nicolians (undefined) found in Revelation should be considered participants outside the norm of where the rest of the Church of Christ is walking or should be walking. Preferring their own imaginings/interpretations to a solid hermeneutics study would have you consider as being a proper solid doctrinal foundation for a church.

But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. ...So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Revelation 2:6, 15 KJV

Emerging spirituality (which ultimately proclaims the divinity of man) has been around since the Garden of Eden when the serpent said to Eve, ye shall be as gods (Genesis 3:5 KJV), and later when Lucifer said, I will be like the most High God (Isaiah 14:14 KJV). Emergent came on the scene when some business men (i.e., Leadership Network) launched Brian McLaren, Dan Kimball, and some others and capsulated emerging spirituality within the confines of these young leaders. Leadership Network teamed up with business guru Peter Drucker and a successful publishing house, and wham, a formula for success - the Emergent movement was birthed. These new young leaders (then called the Young Leaders Network) in turn produced books, seminars, websites, blogs, and "conversations" that bore the fruit of the current emerging church movement. And because the true premise of this movement is grounded in mysticism and Ancient Wisdom, many are grasping hold of something that has been here all along. Emergent or emerging, whatever term you want to use ... it's heading in the same direction, and that is away from the Cross.

Epistemology - the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion.

Note: Maybe Brother @PloughBoy or another of our brethren might be able to get further in-depth on epistemology that we might be able to grasp its significance in light of Scripture. Personally, I've seen this along the lines of exegesis (Reading out of biblical text what the author meant) verses eisegesis (reading into the Bible what you want it to say). This is relevant in that it would help to provide a framework for seeing where deception can easily come into play which happens when we allow enough menusha of wordings to confuse if possible even Holy Spirit understanding!​

​

I could continue on a bit with this but have been a bit under the weather with COVID. It's not an easy subject to lay one's hands on. I describe the ability in defining the Emergent as trying to nail jello on the wall. So, though I haven't read the book in which Brother BAC has referred to us in the opening post, the subject itself is not something new, or something that should be ignored, even in light of other deceptions we come across in the World today.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

To be honest I do not even know What "The Emergent Church" is all about. Years ago I cannot recalled the year, my wife told me about This church a Baptist Pastor's son had started, that had a large "congregation", I knew of the Pastor and young "Ministers" that were coming up in the "Metro Detroit Area". And She told me the It was "The Emergent Church" and how women where coming to Church early Sunday mornings in their House coats and House shoes even before they washed up in the Morning with their young children tagging alone with bottles in their mouths. I listen, but I knew, the coming up of young and new ministers and Pastors, both young women and young men into the Pastorship. And I knew the trees the fruit fell from. And I gave them no mind. From Word of Faith Ministry's to what ever. The only complaints I received was from "unconverted" men who wives had squander their money in all of these churches within the "Metro Detroit" churches, Even the Mayor of Detroit, young and often within these Churches Lying in the name of Jesus, I saw Mayors cursing in the Pulpits, I saw women of these churches who became "School Principles " set up contractor selling Made up Chemicals and sold to little kids programs as Orange juice, to little babies. You have no idea what these pastors and Leading Churches Have Done In Metro Detroit Area, I HAVE Watch As Women Come To Our Churches With Run Over Shoes, fresh out of college and the church demanded that the city gives them jobs, as judges, Principles in schools, and news caster, and watch them be, i do not what to call it, But some go to jail, some to prison, but the majority had contracts to take early retirements as much as a school teachers from $70,000- $90,000 a year before they are even 40 years old. The churches and pastors did this. So what did I care about "The Emergent Church". Pastors receiving so many kick backs. the acted like they were They were Gods of the universe. If you did not play you where Black balled. The Black educated adultress church going women rule this place, Take any man they wanted in the city and got contracts for earlier retirements.

I could tell you stuff you will not believe me what the body of christ has done in this city, that I know in this city. "the Emergent Church and their beliefs is nothing what the Word of Faith, The Pentecostals and The Baptist has done here and The Community Churches and The non denomination church has done in The name of Jesus.

My Wife is member of The biggest Black Greek Sororities and That have members from The White House, Entertainment Industries, most like every successful Black women you know, is a member of her Sorority, Judges, LAWYERS, AND EVERY RELIGION There IS, witch craft, Voodoo, Wicca, you name it they are brothers and sister who have made a everlasting covenant through out all eternity forever being sisters and brothers of "The DIVINE 9" they always got jobs, Black Universities "HBC". 6 figures jobs. They scare me. they get away with everything.

Delta Sigma Theta - Wikipedia

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[PloughBoy]

PS. and their God Is the Goddess "Minerva" and each one of The "Divine 9" each have a Greek GOD they pledge too, and they all shall enter eternal life together a "Secret Society"' They will rule The White House. "The Trojan Horse"

Minerva - Wikipedia

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They too late!

 

[PloughBoy]

They evil, they don't know it but they evil. They worship Greek Gods in Black robes and bowing down on their knees chatting. Burning candles, Hoodoo, voodoo, Witch craft. I read their bible and look at their hymns where they have replace jesus name with Delta and Pray to "Minerva"

Do not let that red dress fooled you. don't trust that Black man up there His wife one too!

Mine had me hoodoo I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. Some thing ain't right around here.

After 5 days delete this my posts about this. Subject.

 

[PloughBoy]

Many Christians have no idea what is going on in this world. Those we think are bad and evil is only the diversion from the real deal.

These people are in the church in the choir and The Pulpit and Sunday school teachers teaching your babies!

 

[B-A-C]

S. Where did the early church get a Bible? I did know they had one. Heck Peter could not even read. "Matthew. Luke, And Paul" could.

Of course they had the old testament.

Matt 21:42 Jesus *said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES'?
Matt 22:29 But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
Matt 26:54 "How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?"
Matt 26:56 "But all this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures of the prophets." Then all the disciples left Him and fled.
Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, "Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God?
Mark 14:49 "Every day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me; but this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures."
Luke 24:27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
Luke 24:32 They said to one another, "Were not our hearts burning within us while He was speaking to us on the road, while He was explaining the Scriptures to us?"
Luke 24:45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
Acts 17:2 And according to Paul's custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 17:11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
Acts 18:24 Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was mighty in the Scriptures.
Acts 18:28 for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
Rom 1:2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
Rom 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Rom 16:26 but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;
1Cor 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Cor 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
2Pet 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Acts 8:28; and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah.
Acts 8:30; Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
Luke 4:17; And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

There was of course the collections of Books known as what we call "The Old Testament". Apparently they were also familiar with uncanonized books such as Enoch.

Jude 1:14; It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones,

But you are right, the "Gospels" as such, didn't exist yet. There wasn't a New Testament yet, so then... how did it come to be.
These very men you mentioned, wrote down what they knew, what they heard, what they saw Jesus do. The teachings of Jesus are the Gospels, even though
Jesus Himself didn't actually write any of it. He used men to write it.

How do we know what Jesus said? Because these guys wrote it down. How do we know what Jesus did? Because these guys wrote it down.
If they were lying, or made it all up, then our entire belief in God is wrong. Then we have the books of Paul, Paul wasn't one of the original twelve, so where did he get his revelation as wisdom from?

Gal 1:12; For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Again, if Paul didn't really receive a revelation from Jesus, and wasn't taught by Him, then all those books are useless.

And this is the point, many believe the Bible to be fiction, a fairy tale. Not the inspired word of God.

2Tim 3:16; All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Either God really inspired men and told them what to write, or He didn't and the whole thing is a farce.
But it's an "all or none" type of thing. You have to believe all of it, or you might as well believe none of it. If I only think parts of it are correct...
How do I decide which parts? Usually when people leave out parts of the Bible, it's the parts they don't like. But just because they don't like it, doesn't mean God didn't say it.
Besides, once I just start picking and choosing which parts of the Bible are right or wrong, I've now become my own God. I know what the Bible should say better than God Himself.

As soon as I say this part or that part doesn't apply to me, I can say none of it applies to me.

 

[Christ4Ever]

To be honest I do not even know What "The Emergent Church" is all about. Years ago I cannot recalled the year, my wife told me about This church a Baptist Pastor's son had started, that had a large "congregation", I knew of the Pastor and young "Ministers" that were coming up in the "Metro Detroit Area". And She told me the It was "The Emergent Church" and how women where coming to Church early Sunday mornings in their House coats and House shoes even before they washed up in the Morning with their young children tagging alone with bottles in their mouths. I listen, but I knew, the coming up of young and new ministers and Pastors, both young women and young men into the Pastorship. And I knew the trees the fruit fell from. And I gave them no mind. From Word of Faith Ministry's to what ever. The only complaints I received was from "unconverted" men who wives had squander their money in all of these churches within the "Metro Detroit" churches, Even the Mayor of Detroit, young and often within these Churches Lying in the name of Jesus, I saw Mayors cursing in the Pulpits, I saw women of these churches who became "School Principles " set up contractor selling Made up Chemicals and sold to little kids programs as Orange juice, to little babies. You have no idea what these pastors and Leading Churches Have Done In Metro Detroit Area, I HAVE Watch As Women Come To Our Churches With Run Over Shoes, fresh out of college and the church demanded that the city gives them jobs, as judges, Principles in schools, and news caster, and watch them be, i do not what to call it, But some go to jail, some to prison, but the majority had contracts to take early retirements as much as a school teachers from $70,000- $90,000 a year before they are even 40 years old. The churches and pastors did this. So what did I care about "The Emergent Church". Pastors receiving so many kick backs. the acted like they were They were Gods of the universe. If you did not play you where Black balled. The Black educated adultress church going women rule this place, Take any man they wanted in the city and got contracts for earlier retirements.

I could tell you stuff you will not believe me what the body of christ has done in this city, that I know in this city. "the Emergent Church and their beliefs is nothing what the Word of Faith, The Pentecostals and The Baptist has done here and The Community Churches and The non denomination church has done in The name of Jesus.

My Wife is member of The biggest Black Greek Sororities and That have members from The White House, Entertainment Industries, most like every successful Black women you know, is a member of her Sorority, Judges, LAWYERS, AND EVERY RELIGION There IS, witch craft, Voodoo, Wicca, you name it they are brothers and sister who have made a everlasting covenant through out all eternity forever being sisters and brothers of "The DIVINE 9" they always got jobs, Black Universities "HBC". 6 figures jobs. They scare me. they get away with everything.

Delta Sigma Theta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dear Brother,
That is what makes it probably even more insidious as the more obvious ones! I mentioned those very ones that you know are prevalent in the Black Churches, that are tied to Masonic Lodges. It's as if they are ingrained somehow into the very worship places and govern the activities of these churches. I've mentioned it to others but being "a white boy" I guess I wouldn't understand, even though I am Hispanic. Though I did get one brother in Christ to look at it through the lens of Scripture, and he left being involved. Thank the Lord! Still, how many others in the guise of "works" look at such organizations as a way of doing God's will, even though whose "god" never bares a close consideration or even who they are aligning themselves with!

You see it every day in practice, so it's no surprise, but if you could see back to when it first started to make its mark on the churches, you might not be as outraged that it's been able to ingrain itself so. The adversary is not dumb, but people surely are. It usually happens too, when the times are good, feeling joy, then in hard times when you have to dig deep in the Word, and Faith!

The Emergent is only slightly different. Add the mysticism, contemplative spirituality, along with a Kingdom Now belief, and you can go a long way in convincing folks, regardless of diversity, that Scripture can be tweaked to allow for just about anything for "times they are changing, so we must change to in order for God's will to be done".

So, though this might be new in terminology, the underpinnings should not be. Just the same lies you've seen affecting your loved ones, being rewritten to appear as something new, but just as much devastating effect to the health of a believer in His walk with Christ. Just like I didn't ignore the movements in other churches, that had no direct effect on me and mine, I won't ignore anyone that moves in such a way that would try to weaken the Body of Christ, who are my brethren! Better to let the clarion call ring out and it be ignored by most, then sit silently by doing nothing. I know you agree old man, because you've done, you're voicing enough in the hope of saving some, but hold on to the hope that our rest is coming sooner than many realize and stay strong.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[PloughBoy]

Dear Brother,
That is what makes it probably even more insidious as the more obvious ones! I mentioned those very ones that you know are prevalent in the Black Churches, that are tied to Masonic Lodges. It's as if they are ingrained somehow into the very worship places and govern the activities of these churches. I've mentioned it to others but being "a white boy" I guess I wouldn't understand, even though I am Hispanic. Though I did get one brother in Christ to look at it through the lens of Scripture, and he left being involved. Thank the Lord! Still, how many others in the guise of "works" look at such organizations as a way of doing God's will, even though whose "god" never bares a close consideration or even who they are aligning themselves with!

You see it every day in practice, so it's no surprise, but if you could see back to when it first started to make its mark on the churches, you might not be as outraged that it's been able to ingrain itself so. The adversary is not dumb, but people surely are. It usually happens too, when the times are good, feeling joy, then in hard times when you have to dig deep in the Word, and Faith!

The Emergent is only slightly different. Add the mysticism, contemplative spirituality, along with a Kingdom Now belief, and you can go a long way in convincing folks, regardless of diversity, that Scripture can be tweaked to allow for just about anything for "times they are changing, so we must change to in order for God's will to be done".

So, though this might be new in terminology, the underpinnings should not be. Just the same lies you've seen affecting your loved ones, being rewritten to appear as something new, but just as much devastating effect to the health of a believer in His walk with Christ. Just like I didn't ignore the movements in other churches, that had no direct effect on me and mine, I won't ignore anyone that moves in such a way that would try to weaken the Body of Christ, who are my brethren! Better to let the clarion call ring out and it be ignored by most, then sit silently by doing nothing. I know you agree old man, because you've done, you're voicing enough in the hope of saving some, but hold on to the hope that our rest is coming sooner than many realize and stay strong.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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