Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven?

[Rxlx]

Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven when he became evil and decided to ruin GOD's plan??

 

[B-A-C]

Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven when he became evil and decided to ruin GOD's plan??

I don't think I've ever heard this question before. I assume there is a reason for asking.

Rev 12:4; And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

Matt 25:41; "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since the angels in the same way as these indulged in sexual immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

Rev 12:7; And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
Rev 12:8; and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.
Rev 12:9; And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

I don't see any evidence of two groups in the Bible.

 

[Curtis]

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

 

[joestue]

Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven when he became evil and decided to ruin GOD's plan??

read the book of enoch, as well as jubilees and jashur.

The 66 books point to one rebellion but there is plenty of distinction made between demons and angels.
Where did the demons come from and why aren't they locked up yet? and we have no solid answer on that, unless you're willing to read Enoch, which is that the demons are the half human half angel spirits that can't be judged until their works are burned up completely.. which should actually terrify you.

Because your words and deeds will affect your judgement until the last person affected by them is made whole.

 

[joestue]

for a non spiritual rational explanation of the nephilim..

https://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2015/PSCF3-15Davidson.pdf

11 pages, pretty simple stuff. non global flood, and God taking from the "dust" of the earth (early non spiritual humans) and breathing a living soul into adam and eve.. much prior to 20,000 years ago. they weren't supposed to mix with others, but did anyways.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

for a non spiritual rational explanation of the nephilim..

https://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2015/PSCF3-15Davidson.pdf

11 pages, pretty simple stuff. non global flood, and God taking from the "dust" of the earth (early non spiritual humans) and breathing a living soul into adam and eve.. much prior to 20,000 years ago. they weren't supposed to mix with others, but did anyways.

Although Gregg Davidson is a smart man, and likes to get people thinking, I don't think he's the one to listen to on subjects of bible truth. He believes in evolution and thinks man and animals come from the same lines? You really should consider your sources

 

[joestue]

Although Gregg Davidson is a smart man, and likes to get people thinking, I don't think he's the one to listen to on subjects of bible truth. He believes in evolution and thinks man and animals come from the same lines? You really should consider your sources

did you have something to add to the conversation?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

did you have something to add to the conversation?

I made my point.

 

[Peter1]

There are only 2 revolts.The first group are the fallen angels led by Satan who put humanity in a fallen state.The second group are the Watchers from the Book of Enoch and they have been chained up until judgement day and are destine for hell also their children.But you would have to read the book of Enoch to know that.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Peter1 the Book of Enoch is not part of the Canon of Scripture. There was but one revolt in heaven. Lucifer and about a third of the angels rebelled and were thrown out of heaven to this earth. Became satan and the demonic world.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

@ Peter1 the Book of Enoch is not part of the Canon of Scripture. There was but one revolt in heaven. Lucifer and about a third of the angels rebelled and were thrown out of heaven to this earth. Became satan and the demonic world.

In truth, Sue, the book of Enoch was a part of the bible until about 800 AD when the romanist church pushed to have it removed...Why? It puts 'lie' to the romanist doctrines. It proves them wrong

 

[Peter1]

Well then please explain why both Peter and Jude reference the punishment the Angels received in the Book of Enoch in their letters if its not true.Peter and Jude are well aware of the Book of Enoch.It does not add to the faith so it does not need to be there.Obviously it was felt no one needed to know about it by the church fathers.

It's not only this direct quotation of 1 Enoch by Jude, but Jude (and 2 Peter) allude to the fantastical events of 1 Enoch, namely the sexual encounters of fallen angels with human women, which gives birth to the nephilim or “giants.” The birth of the giants, according to 1 Enoch, is the reason for the Noah's Flood.

 

[Peter1]

Also go to your bible and look at the battle Moses has with the King of Og.How is the King of Og described?Obviously Moses was fascinated by it he wrote many lines describing the King even his bed. Have a look he was a monster of a man a giant.

No one can understand Gods wrath on the holy land and why he want all the inhabitant eliminated by the Israelite but the real reason was to eliminate the remaining Giants and all who followed them.When looked at that way it makes sense why God wanted the land cleansed.They disappeared from the earth at the same time Israel took the holy land and became a nation.

But none of it has to be believed.

 

[Peter1]

Its also possible that the Watchers and the Nephilim were part of what was happening in Sodom and Gomorrah causing their destruction it was in their time.

There are 5 Giants in the bible.

 

[Rhema]

In truth, Sue, the book of Enoch was a part of the bible until about 800 AD when the romanist church pushed to have it removed...Why? It puts 'lie' to the romanist doctrines. It proves them wrong

In truth, it was not. There is no indication whatsoever that the book of Enoch had ever been considered canon by anyone in the Christian Church.

Lists and Catalogues of Old Testament Canon Collections

But which book of Enoch? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Enoch?

You are quite welcome to show me any list of books where Enoch is deemed to be canonical, but I'll be surprised if you actually find one.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

In truth, it was not. There is no indication whatsoever that the book of Enoch had ever been considered canon by anyone in the Christian Church.

Lists and Catalogues of Old Testament Canon Collections

But which book of Enoch? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Enoch?

You are quite welcome to show me any list of books where Enoch is deemed to be canonical, but I'll be surprised if you actually find one.

Kindly,
Rhema

He probably means that it was included with the bible, even with the king james bible at one time. Not as canon, but important enough to be printed with the bible. And there is a few christian groups that consider it canon, but they are just 2 groups that I know of, and not large groups either.

 

[Rhema]

He probably means that it was included with the bible, even with the king james bible at one time

Sorry Brad, the Book of Enoch was never in the King James Bible, even that from 1611.

1611 KJV ORIGINAL BOOK NAMES

1611 KJV Original Book Names from the 1611 King James Bible Online

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

It was never even in the Septuagint.

Not as canon, but important enough to be printed with the bible.

There is no Bible I know of where the book of Enoch is ever printed therein.

a few christian groups that consider it cano

Yes, the Tewahedo churches, but I doubt anyone here would consider them more than cults.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

Sorry Brad, the Book of Enoch was never in the King James Bible, even that from 1611.

1611 KJV ORIGINAL BOOK NAMES

1611 KJV Original Book Names from the 1611 King James Bible Online

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

It was never even in the Septuagint.


There is no Bible I know of where the book of Enoch is ever printed therein.


Yes, the Tewahedo churches, but I doubt anyone here would consider them more than cults.

Kindly,
Rhema

I have a copy of the kj bible with the apocrypha which used to include Enoch. Its not in the copy I have though. The Beta Israel jews use it as canon although they arent christians, they have the same background as christians. The Ethiopian orthodox church and the Eritrean orthodox church do include it in their canon. Some early church fathers considered it scripture and significant, to include Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, and Tertullian. But the later church fathers rejected it around the 3rd or 4th century. Copies of it were found amoung the dead sea scrolls as well.

 

[Peter1]

One thing that makes me think is that's one special piece of land its where the fallen angels came down its where the watchers came down its where Jesus preached his Gospel all things in the bible happened there after Israel became a nation and it where all things will end.If the Giants existed they all wanted to hang around that land to.I wonder if its possible Eden was once on that land.No where else on Earth is a Land more coveted than the holy land.Hundred of millions of people have died trying to control it.God and God only decides who possesses the land.I will not be a part of what goes on there its in Gods hands I will watch for what is to come if it happens in my time.Its all way higher then me.

 

[Rhema]

I have a copy of the kj bible with the apocrypha which used to include Enoch. Its not in the copy I have though.

Because the book of Enoch was never in any valid published copy of the KJV.

The Beta Israel jews use it as canon although they arent christians,

And the Jews who have the Kabbalah as canon? Should we now be reading the Kabbalah?

Kabbalah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Ethiopian orthodox church and the Eritrean orthodox church do include it in their canon

As I said, those are the Tewahedo. How are they not a cult?

Some early church fathers considered it scripture and significant, to include Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, and Tertullian.

SOURCE please.

But the later church fathers rejected it around the 3rd or 4th century.

SOURCE please (for the claim that church fathers rejected it). Which letter or document of any church father states this?

Copies of it were found amoung the dead sea scrolls as well.

Eleven Aramaic-language fragments of the Book of Enoch were found in cave 4 of Qumran in 1948.
LINK

The operative word being fragments.

Kindly,
Rhema