Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven?

[Brad Huber]

Because the book of Enoch was never in any valid published copy of the KJV.


And the Jews who have the Kabbalah as canon? Should we now be reading the Kabbalah?

Kabbalah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As I said, those are the Tewahedo. How are they not a cult?


SOURCE please.


SOURCE please (for the claim that church fathers rejected it). Which letter or document of any church father states this?


Eleven Aramaic-language fragments of the Book of Enoch were found in cave 4 of Qumran in 1948.
LINK

The operative word being fragments.

Kindly,
Rhema

Source of why you call them cults? I have done alot of studies about the book of enoch in the past. I have accumulated quite alot of information about it. Information you cant even find anymore, ppl like to hide things from the public about issues they prefer to keep under wraps. I have been fortunate enough to find news stories in 2 different occasions from reputable sources. One was concerning the use of electro-magnetic experiments, the other was concerning the discoveries made in the caves of Qumran. A complete book of enoch was found in one of the caves, in addition to the 11 fragments you spoke of. A news article was posted about it being sold to a private collector, then when checking on it a few months later, all mention of it was gone. Nothing was said about who the private collector was, but I assume it was some religious person of wealth that didnt want the information about it to get out. As to whether it was destroyed or not, would be pure speculation. I have the complete book of enoch in my library with notes about it, I pulled the information from my notes on it. I hand typed out the book of enoch that was translated from the Ge'ez language which is the original language that was copied over into Aramaic. There is another version out there (or perhaps more than 1 other version) that is not as accurate. The translated version I have is the only translation that is approved by the ethiopian church (the Ge'ez language's usage is predominantly there).

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Well then please explain why both Peter and Jude reference the punishment the Angels received in the Book of Enoch in their letters if its not true.Peter and Jude are well aware of the Book of Enoch.It does not add to the faith so it does not need to be there.Obviously it was felt no one needed to know about it by the church fathers.

It's not only this direct quotation of 1 Enoch by Jude, but Jude (and 2 Peter) allude to the fantastical events of 1 Enoch, namely the sexual encounters of fallen angels with human women, which gives birth to the nephilim or “giants.” The birth of the giants, according to 1 Enoch, is the reason for the Noah's Flood.

Actually, Peter, it is necessary that you know about it...Its the cause of the ongoing seed wars between Jesus and satan.

Genesis 3:15 15;And I will put enmity between and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Also, you need to know that the giants were not all wiped out in the flood. That's why God had His people finish the job. And even then it was not completed....There are still giants alive today. I'm not talking about humans with the disease of gigantism, I'm talking about real nephilim giants. And all of this can and will affect your life today.​

 

[Rhema]

Source of why you call them cults?

Well if the Tewahedo are not a cult, then neither are the JW's and the Mormons, etc.

Emperor Tewodros II ... set out to reunite the divided Kingdom and to restore Ethiopia to her ancient glory. A fundamental aim of his policy was to put an end to religious controversy in the Empire and to consolidate the Orthodox Faith. To this end, in 1855, he imposed the Tewahido doctrine, propagated by Abuna Salama, as the sole doctrine to be allowed in Ethiopia.​

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

One person declaring what is allowed to be believed is kinda the definition of a cult.

I have done alot of studies about the book of enoch in the past. I have accumulated quite alot of information about it. Information you cant even find anymore,

I am sure you have, and well done.

I have been fortunate enough to find news stories in 2 different occasions from reputable sources. One was concerning the use of electro-magnetic experiments

Before or after Einstein?

Having worked at RCA Missile and Surface Radar, I have more than a passing knowledge of electromagnetism. (Fun stuff.)

A complete book of enoch was found in one of the caves,

I've heard of this:

Hershel Shanks: There’s this strange story that’s been in the papers, that at one point two prostitutes, one Jewish and one Arab, came to you (John Strugnell) at the École Biblique [the French School in Jerusalem] and, I believe, took you to a field outside of Bethlehem where they removed from their private parts microfilms of Dead Sea Scrolls, one of them being the complete book of Enoch. Is that true?​

Dead Sea Scrolls | An Interview with John Strugnell | The Dead Sea Scrolls and Why They Matter

Dead Sea Scrolls | A collection of articles from Biblical Archaeology Review covers some of the major topics in Scrolls studies.

web.archive.org

(Ya just can't make this stuff up...)

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[backNforth]

From the OP:

Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels...?

One gang, each gangster possessing the selfsame spirit.

There are 5 Giants in the bible.

There are dozens of tribes of giants found in the Holy Bible:

Amalekites, Amorites, Anakim, Ashdodites, Ashkelonites (Eshkalonites), Avvim, Avites, Canaanites, Caphtorim, Ekronites, Emim (Emins),
Gazites (Gazathites), Geshurites , Gibalites (Giblites), Gibeonites, Girgashites, Gittites, Hittites, Hivites, Horites (Horims), Jebusites, Kadmonites, Kenites, Kenizzites, Maacathites, Manassites, Nephilim, Perizzites, Philistines, Rephaim, Sidonians, Zamzummim, and the Zuzim.

• Amalekites are mentioned 25 times
• Amorites are mentioned 87 times
• Anakim are mentioned 9 times
• Ashdodites are mentioned 4 times
• Ashkelonites (Eshkalonites) are mentioned 1 time
• Avvim are mentioned 3 times
• Canaanites are mentioned 21 times but not all Canaanites peoples were giants.
• Caphtorim are mentioned 2 times
• Ekronites are mentioned 2 times
• Emim (aka Emins) are mentioned 3 times
• Gazites (Gazathites) are mentioned 2 times
• Geshurites are mentioned 6 times
• Gibeonites are mentioned 8 times
• Gibalites (Giblites) are mentioned 2 times
• Girgashites are mentioned 7 times
• Gittites are mentioned 10 times
• Hittites are mentioned 48 times
• Hivites are mentioned 25 times
• Horites (Horims) are mentioned 7 times
• Jebusites are mentioned 41 times
• Kadmonites are mentioned 1 time
• Kenites are mentioned 11 times
• Kenizzites are mentioned 4 times
• Maacathites are mentioned 8 times
• Manassites are mentioned 4 times
• Nephilim are mentioned 2 times
• Perizzites are mentioned 23 times
• Philistines are mentioned 290 times but many Philistines were not giants.
• Rephaim are mentioned 18 times
• Sidonians are mentioned 16 times
• Zamzummim are mentioned 1 time
• Zuzim are mentioned 1 time

That is a total of 688 mentions of tribes, people groups, or nations of (or containing) giants.

There are 19 giants that are named specifically in the Holy Bible:

• Adoni-zedek (aka Adonizedek, Adonizedec), King of Jerusalem, is mentioned 2 times
• Agag, King of the Amalakites, is mentioned 8 times
• Ahiman (anakim) is mentioned 4 times
• Amalek is mentioned 24 times
• Arba is mentioned 3 times
• Gog is mentioned 11 times
• Magog is mentioned 5 times
• Goliath is mentioned 6 times
• Hoham, King of Hebron, is mentioned 1 time
• Horam, King of Gezer, is mentioned 1 time
• Jabin, King of Hazor, is mentioned 7 times
• Jobab, King of Madon, is mentioned 9 times
• Lahmi is mentioned 1 time
• Nimrod is mentioned 4 times
• Og of Bashan is mentioned 22 times
• Sheshai (anakim) is mentioned 3 times
• Sihon, King of the Amorites, is mentioned 39 times
• Sippai is mentioned 1 time
• Talmai (anakim) is mentioned 6 times

That is a total of 157 mentions of specific giants.

688 + 157 = 845 total references to individual giants, tribes, and people groups that included or were associated with giants in the Holy Bible.

 

[backNforth]

One [news story] was concerning the use of electro-magnetic experiments, the other was concerning the discoveries made in the caves of Qumran. A complete book of enoch was found in one of the caves, in addition to the 11 fragments you spoke of.

"The Rockefeller Foundation - infamous for its involvement in one-world political organizations, such as the Council on Foreign
Relations and the Trilateral Commission - is funding the research on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Also, the U.S. government’s top-secret research lab at Los Alamos, New Mexico, is digitizing these Dead Sea Scrolls so that they can be more clearly read. Anyone might ask, “Why would these parties be interested in this material?” This is happening because the Dead Sea Scrolls prescribe all of the elements needed to coerce people to adapt to the one-world political and religious system advocated by these parties. The Dead Sea Scrolls advocate:

1. The confiscation of personal property to the group.
2. The coming of two Messiahs: one a religious prophet, the other a civil leader.

Students of Bible prophecy know that this corresponds exactly to the beast and the false prophet of Revelation. The Dead Sea Scrolls say that the Essenes are “sons of the light,” ruled by the “angel of light.” Bible students know that the “angel of light” is Satan."

Even Google is in on this.

https://cool.culturalheritage.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/annual/v37/bpga37-12.pdf

West Meets East - The Story of Rockefeller Museum

 

[Rxlx]

There are only 2 revolts.The first group are the fallen angels led by Satan who put humanity in a fallen state.The second group are the Watchers from the Book of Enoch and they have been chained up until judgement day and are destine for hell also their children.But you would have to read the book of Enoch to know that.

You have it totally wrong.
The first group were the watchers. They came to Earth and took human wives. The offspring were the Nephilim monsters. During The Flood the Nephilim's bodies were all drowned but their angel spirits could not be drowned and escaped to become the demons Jesus so often dealt with.
GOD had the first gang imprisoned inside Earth where after his crucifixion Jesus went to tell them that Satan's plan to kill him had failed and he like they had limited time left.
The demons can enter a person and control their actions and thinking to make them commit all sorts of criminal activities.
When GOD got fed up of Satan sneaking into heaven He banished him and another gang of angels followed him (Job 1:6).
This second gang is huge and is constantly flying round Earth causing trouble, acting as incubii, succubii, UFOs, orbs, aliens, Bigfoot, cryptids, ghosts, poltergeists, setting off alarms in rocket silos, etc etc.

 

[Rxlx]

The Second Gang being spirit have the ability like Jesus and the holy angels to be independent of Earth's physical limits. This is how they can enter locked and closed homes and missile silos, to travel great distance quickly - Philip was quickly transmitted away from the Ethiopian eunuch? - they can travel through space and time, they can make solid objects appear and disappear, they can instantly materialise and dematerialise themselves and UFO crafts of all shapes and sizes.
It is they who have been appearing in UFOs and abducting humans and animals - especially cows that have blood and tissues amenable to human - to crossbreed hybrids just as they were doing before The Flood.
They have bases on and in the Moon which is empty having lost the water it was created from in creation week.

 

[Peter1]

I have no time for complete nonsense Satan and the fallen Angels were first read the first chapters of Genesis. Who tempted Eve the watchers I guess in your version but not in the bible it was Satan. I can name everyone of the watcher in the Book of Enoch and none of their names are Satan.Satan was long before them.Your is so crazy I want no part of this tell someone else.

 

[Rxlx]

I have no time for complete nonsense Satan and the fallen Angels were first read the first chapters of Genesis. Who tempted Eve the watchers I guess in your version but not in the bible it was Satan. I can name everyone of the watcher in the Book of Enoch and none of their names are Satan.Satan was long before them.Your is so crazy I want no part of this tell someone else.

Idiot!
You can't understand the written word.
You need to go post on Reddit as all the 'Christians' on there are as ignorant as you.

 

[Rxlx]

I have no time for complete nonsense Satan and the fallen Angels were first read the first chapters of Genesis. Who tempted Eve the watchers I guess in your version but not in the bible it was Satan. I can name everyone of the watcher in the Book of Enoch and none of their names are Satan.Satan was long before them.Your is so crazy I want no part of this tell someone else.

You can't even read properly.
So typical of Satan's friends in these Last Days.

 

[Peter1]

Everything I said is based on the bible what book are you reading?Oh you made it up yourself show me this in the bible :


The Second Gang being spirit have the ability like Jesus and the holy angels to be independent of Earth's physical limits. This is how they can enter locked and closed homes and missile silos, to travel great distance quickly - Philip was quickly transmitted away from the Ethiopian eunuch? - they can travel through space and time, they can make solid objects appear and disappear, they can instantly materialise and dematerialise themselves and UFO crafts of all shapes and sizes.
It is they who have been appearing in UFOs and abducting humans and animals - especially cows that have blood and tissues amenable to human - to crossbreed hybrids just as they were doing before The Flood.
They have bases on and in the Moon which is empty having lost the water it was created from in creation week.

You can't because its not there you made it up I am not interested in your falsehoods and dilutions you can't make it up as you go along you get outed right away because it makes no sense.
The watchers are not mentioned in the bible tell me where it tells you all about them in the bible they are only mentioned as the sons of God in one line. - you can't because it doesn't it only talks about them in the Book of Enoch.
I know the bible very well.I called you on it and now I am a idiot and with Satan I am dealing with a child.

The Watcher had children who were their children answer me that if you know who they are which you don't.I can tell you.Tell me all about the watchers what did they do why did God send them how do you find out about them?Then I will believe you know who the Watchers are.

 

[Peter1]

Satan and the fallen Angels are still free but the Watchers have been chained up in the dark valley on earth until the last day Judgment was passed on them and their children you should know this if you really know who the Watchers are.

The Angels accepted Gods judgment because they were guilty. They asked Enoch to go to God and ask God for eternal life for their children Enoch goes to God and asks but God refuses to grant their children eternal life. Its in the Book of Enoch you can read it online I make nothing up.Enoch 1

Their children are now demons as a curse on humanity for women having relations with Angels its in the Book of Enoch.

If you read it you will also find out the real reason God brought the flood.

 

[Brad Huber]

There is no sense in arguing about enoch, not only is it not currently accepted scripture, it is not needed for salvation or for growth in the Lord. Its best to not argue about it.

 

[Peter1]

I never said it was accepted scripture not every thread is about salvation he claimed the Watchers are someone else I am just pointing to who they really are in the book of Enoch.What is this thread about Salvation or Angels.I answered the question of the thread.

 

[Bill]

Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven when he became evil and decided to ruin GOD's plan??

God allowed all angels to have free will. Satan was a prince in heaven, and although you could say Satan dragged the others down with him. Truth is that those angels also chose to reject God

 

[Peter1]

The Angels I am speaking about are not Satan and the fallen Angels nor are the angels in the Book of Enoch. The Angels in the Book of Enoch were suppose to help humanity are its early stage whom God sent they also revolted against God. They had relations with women and had Children. The also taught mankind everything from weapons of war , witchcraft and even jewellery and face painting each of these Angels taught a different thing to mankind.

NEPHILIM – The Nephilim are the result of the Watchers mating with humans. Nephilim means “giant,” so we assume they were giant beings, half-human, half-angel. The Nephilim seemed to have started well, as “mighty men,” or heroes, what we would think of today as superheroes. But they went bad.

Now does that sound like the Angels he is talking about.Remember this is a thread about angels.

No body has to believe it.

To add these Angels according to the book were judged and are destine for the lake of fire.It says they are chained up in the dark valley somewhere on the earth. Their children every last one of them dead were not granted eternal life but as I said in a earlier post were allowed to be a curse on mankind until the final day as demon as a punishment for women having relation with Angels.

I did not make this up all can be found in the book of Enoch nor am I telling you to believe it I am simply identifying the second group of Angels asked about in the thread.We all know who the first group was.

 

[Bill]

I have no time for complete nonsense Satan and the fallen Angels were first read the first chapters of Genesis. Who tempted Eve the watchers I guess in your version but not in the bible it was Satan. I can name everyone of the watcher in the Book of Enoch and none of their names are Satan.Satan was long before them.Your is so crazy I want no part of this tell someone else.

Sorry , i am just laughing.

Some conversations just go off the deep end

 

[Bill]

The Angels I am speaking about are not Satan and the fallen Angels nor are the angels in the Book of Enoch. The Angels in the Book of Enoch were suppose to help humanity are its early stage whom God sent they also revolted against God. They had relations with women and had Children. The also taught mankind everything from weapons of war , witchcraft and even jewellery and face painting each of these Angels taught a different thing to mankind.

NEPHILIM – The Nephilim are the result of the Watchers mating with humans. Nephilim means “giant,” so we assume they were giant beings, half-human, half-angel. The Nephilim seemed to have started well, as “mighty men,” or heroes, what we would think of today as superheroes. But they went bad.

Now does that sound like the Angels he is talking about.Remember this is a thread about angels.

Well I was enjoying what you had said before, but now this is getting ridiculous

 

[Peter1]

Read the book I did not make it up are you saying I came up with it?Read the book of Enoch and then come and talk about it or its pointless.Which is what this thread is about.If you don't review the material what do you have to say about it.Yes if you want to believe its ridiculous you are quite welcome to do so.I haven't even said if I believe it or not I am simply relating the information.How do you discuss it if no one knows the material and refuses to read it. No point in going on its just a fairy tale told by Enoch son of Jared in the times of Genesis .Here's a fact in the Book of Genesis lets see if you can handle this Adam was 931 years old when he died some were even older.Is that ridicules too? There are other things I could bring up in the bible that sound unbelievable.

This thread is not about faith or salvation it is on theology of Angels and there is plenty of information out there validating what i have said.

Heres more a Cherubim is identified in the bible:

The cherubim appeared to have the form of a man's hand under their wings...As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.
It almost like a spiritual being inside some kind of a machine.

It gets even stranger yet.

Welcome to the realm of Angels there are a uncountable amount of them and many different kinds In revelations millions and millions of Angels show up for the wedding feast of the Lamb.

On top of that there are creatures at the Throne of God that cannot be explained.

I do agree with what the other poster said none of it is important its just talk but its interesting talk based on the material and the Bible it is not for everyone or what they are looking for.Your salvation is important know that first.

But Angels are real and they are powerful spiritual beings who are servants to God they are in the bible from the very beginning to the very end.

Satan is thought to of been a Cherubim or a Seraphim before his fall from grace.

 

[Peter1]

There are many Giants in the bible if you look.I can name two Goliath and the King of Og the first people Moses battled on their way to the promised land. There is no denying The king is a Giant even Moses is fascinated and goes on for many bible lines describing what he is seeing.

The Bible tells us some interesting details about Og and the giants of Canaan. Og slept on an iron bed that was 13.5 feet tall and 6 feet wide. Apparently, Moses or others saw it after they slew Og (Deut 3:11). He was a giant of a man. Apparently, this was not unusual. The Promised Land was full of powerful kingdoms, peoples, and even giants.


When Israel sent twelve spies into Canaan, they came back with dread because they had spotted three giants in Hebron: “Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the descendants of Anak” (Num 13:22, 28). These giants terrified ten of the twelve scouts.

Some escaped the flood according to the Book of Enoch all were slain to the last one its why the land was to be cleansed.

But none of that is important your salvation is important and what you should be learning about.There are better threads to read.