Do dead infants ever get sent to Hell?
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God would never send children to hell. However, this does not mean children will stay in heaven indefinitely. If God put the devil with one person, He will put the devil with all. It is just a matter of 'when'.
Scripture is pretty clear on this.
1. Jesus says in Matt 19:14 that heaven belongs to the children.
2. Moses says in Num 14:29 that God spared all under twenty in the wilderness.
3. Peter says in Acts 10:34 that God is impartial.
4. Jesus says in Matt 24:31 that after Armageddon, at the end of the tribulation, He will gather all on earth.
5. John says in Rev 20:7 that satan will be loosed on the earth at the end of the Millenium to test mankind for the last time.
When you put all this together, you realize the following:
The millennium is not a period for the wicked to redeem themselves in and it is certainly not a period for the righteous needing to further prove themselves. It should therefore be obvious that God use this period to allow all children under twenty, to grow up to maturity and toward the end of it, be tested by the devil.
As God is both impartial Acts 10:34 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, it should be unthinkable that He ever send a child under twenty to any sort of hell.
Scripture is pretty clear on this.
1. Jesus says in Matt 19:14 that heaven belongs to the children.
2. Moses says in Num 14:29 that God spared all under twenty in the wilderness.
3. Peter says in Acts 10:34 that God is impartial.
4. Jesus says in Matt 24:31 that after Armageddon, at the end of the tribulation, He will gather all on earth.
5. John says in Rev 20:7 that satan will be loosed on the earth at the end of the Millenium to test mankind for the last time.
When you put all this together, you realize the following:
The millennium is not a period for the wicked to redeem themselves in and it is certainly not a period for the righteous needing to further prove themselves. It should therefore be obvious that God use this period to allow all children under twenty, to grow up to maturity and toward the end of it, be tested by the devil.
As God is both impartial Acts 10:34 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, it should be unthinkable that He ever send a child under twenty to any sort of hell.
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This was a popular question on many forums a couple of years ago. I think it was as a result of some mother killing her babies.
On one hand it does appear to be an act of self-sacrifice. Send yourself to hell for murder but guarantee your children for heaven.
But the truth is that God is not an idiot. If they were a Christian and had the Holy Spirit speaking to them, He would show them the truth of God not being an idiot and would stop them from doing something so silly.
Our children are a gift to us by God as God believes we are the right people to teach them the truth. We completely and utterly fail at that one job if we were to kill them.
God has not given us the direct answer about babies dying in infancy. Therefore musing abut hypotheticals is a complete waste of time. Maybe Moses gave us a way to look at such matters:
"There are things hidden, and they belong to the Lord our God, but what is revealed belongs to us and our children for ever; it is for us to observe all that is prescribed in this law." (Deut 29:29 REB)
For the believers in Christ, our observing is focused on another:
"Go therefore to all nations and make them my disciples; baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to observe all that I have commanded you. I will be with you always, to the end of time." (Matt 28:19-20 REB)
"There are things hidden, and they belong to the Lord our God, but what is revealed belongs to us and our children for ever; it is for us to observe all that is prescribed in this law." (Deut 29:29 REB)
For the believers in Christ, our observing is focused on another:
"Go therefore to all nations and make them my disciples; baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to observe all that I have commanded you. I will be with you always, to the end of time." (Matt 28:19-20 REB)
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The Catholics will wrongly state they do.
There's some questions.
1. After death, does a baby stay a baby eternally? Why would God keep a person a baby?
2. A baby and child aren't developed enough to understand most things. What is one of most children's first words? "Why?"
3. It makes no sense to send babies and children to Hell OR that they don't and they are eternally babies and children.
Therefore, every person regardless of young age under the Age of Accountability is aged UP.
Similarly, if one dies in old age is God going to keep people old? No. They will be aged DOWN.
Knowing the basics of who God is, God does NOT send babies and young children to Hell.
Purgatory is not mentioned.
1. BAPTISM ALWAYS PORTRAYS my new relationship with God. Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. (KJV)
2. BAPTISM ANNOUNCES MY PLEDGE of allegiance to Christ, as I am baptized into the name of the Triune God, and into fellowship with Him. 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:26-27
3. BAPTISM ALWAYS PARALLELS A CONFESSION OF FAITH [Acts 2:38, 41; 8:12; 9:17-18; 10:45, 48: 16:30-33]
4. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH. Faith demands action, and immediate action is baptism!
5. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS PRESENTED AS A COMMAND. An unbaptized Christian is alien to the NT. Baptism was not an option, it was obedience to a command.
6. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO HAD ALREADY PERSONALLY CONFESSED CHRIST. Only believers were baptized. No infants or children who could not confess Him for themselves were baptized!
7. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS TO PORTRAY PURIFICATION. [Acts 2.38; 22.16; Titus 3.5; Hebrews 10:22; I Peter 3.21; Revelation. 1.5]
There's some questions.
1. After death, does a baby stay a baby eternally? Why would God keep a person a baby?
2. A baby and child aren't developed enough to understand most things. What is one of most children's first words? "Why?"
3. It makes no sense to send babies and children to Hell OR that they don't and they are eternally babies and children.
Therefore, every person regardless of young age under the Age of Accountability is aged UP.
Similarly, if one dies in old age is God going to keep people old? No. They will be aged DOWN.
Knowing the basics of who God is, God does NOT send babies and young children to Hell.
Purgatory is not mentioned.
1. BAPTISM ALWAYS PORTRAYS my new relationship with God. Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. (KJV)
2. BAPTISM ANNOUNCES MY PLEDGE of allegiance to Christ, as I am baptized into the name of the Triune God, and into fellowship with Him. 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:26-27
3. BAPTISM ALWAYS PARALLELS A CONFESSION OF FAITH [Acts 2:38, 41; 8:12; 9:17-18; 10:45, 48: 16:30-33]
4. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH. Faith demands action, and immediate action is baptism!
5. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS PRESENTED AS A COMMAND. An unbaptized Christian is alien to the NT. Baptism was not an option, it was obedience to a command.
6. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO HAD ALREADY PERSONALLY CONFESSED CHRIST. Only believers were baptized. No infants or children who could not confess Him for themselves were baptized!
7. BAPTISM WAS ALWAYS TO PORTRAY PURIFICATION. [Acts 2.38; 22.16; Titus 3.5; Hebrews 10:22; I Peter 3.21; Revelation. 1.5]
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Explain how a baby/young child who wasn't intellectually mature enough to understand goes to Hell.
So both don't get the chance yet get damned anyway?
You left some out.
1 Corinthinans 7:12-16
Divorce and remarriage when a Christian is married to an unbelieving spouse.
But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?a: Why should a Christian try to keep their marriage to a non-Christian together? Because God can be glorified in such a marriage, and He may do a work through the believing spouse to draw the unbelieving spouse to Jesus Christ.
b. Not only does the presence of a believing spouse do good for the unbelieving spouse, it also does good for the children – and great good, because it can be said now they are holy.
c. This is a beautiful assurance that the children of a Christian parent are saved, at least until they come to an age of personal accountability (which may differ for each child). However, we have no similar assurance for the children of parents who are not Christians
There are also babies and young children who are born blind, deaf, autistic, etc. where it will be VERY difficult to not only read the Bible to them but help them understand it.
Summary: No, God does NOT send babies to Hell. Only Christians who go to Heaven get glorified bodies so in inference = babies and young children are aged UP to a prime age.
Still no evidence or commandment for Purgatory and babies in Hell.
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Why do you have to bring Catholic bashing into this thread? You are not quoting the A - Z of their belief.
A Christian must always judge with righteous judgement John 7:24. You and the person making those videos you link are certainly not doing that.
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This verse does not suggest babies go to hell.
The context is that children are sanctified by their believing parents. As with animals, children are victims of the parents' decisions.
So infants are sent to Hell where Jesus hideously tortures them without end.
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How is "bashing" pointing out wha tthey do is NOT in the Bible? It isnt'.
"Vatican approves document allowing gay men to become priests in Italy." - Pretty sure what God has said is a sin and anyone's opinion otherwise, is wrong and irrelevant. No matter how much ANYONE cries and is "offended".
The Bible requirements for pastor/preacher/priest are CLEAR.
Women can NOT.
People living in urepentant sin can NOT.
Idol worship
In an act of supreme 'veneration,' Roman Catholics get wild and rowdy in an effort to touch or carry the golden statue of Mary during the Romería de El Rocío pilgrimage in Spain.
“They make it beautiful with silver and with gold; They strengthen it with nails and with hammers So that it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they, And they cannot speak; They must be carried Because they cannot take a step! Do not fear them, For they can do no harm, Nor can they do any good.” (Jeremiah 10:4-5)"
I'm about to leave for work. Anyone can cake what they do and use the Bible to see if it is or is NOT of God.
That "pope" should've been arrested and kicked out of the CC for what he's said and done.
One which was praising "Pro-abortion Hilton foundation for their "testimony of love".
He also made a public prayer to Mary (NOT God/Jesus) during COVID.
All prayer and praise are to God ONLY and in one example an angel corrects a human.
Hello Ultra MAGA! I come from a Baptist perspective, "believer's baptism by immersion", and in addition, when I meet our Lord, I am expecting to see my 3 brothers who died in infancy. I can't really based that on an explicit statement of Scripture, but I hold to the belief, commonly held among believers, that the babies of Christian parents are in the arms of Christ. Maybe to some degree based on the passage your mention, 1 Cor. 7:12-16.
You may know the name John Gill, who was an 18th century Baptist theologian who was quite the scholar in the writings of the Jews. His commentary on v14 is interesting on this question of infants sanctified and holy by Christian parent(s), as he refers to the Jews use of "sanctified" when it comes to marriage. It can be read online:
1 Corinthians 7 - Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org
1 Corinthians 7, Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, John Gill's Exposition on the Whole Bible provides Christians with deep insights through detailed analysis of Scripture and historical context.
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Hello Ultra MAGA! I come from a Baptist perspective, "believer's baptism by immersion", and in addition, when I meet our Lord, I am expecting to see my 3 brothers who died in infancy. I can't really based that on an explicit statement of Scripture, but I hold to the belief, commonly held among believers, that the babies of Christian parents are in the arms of Christ. Maybe to some degree based on the passage your mention, 1 Cor. 7:12-16.
You may know the name John Gill, who was an 18th century Baptist theologian who was quite the scholar in the writings of the Jews. His commentary on v14 is interesting on this question of infants sanctified and holy by Christian parent(s), as he refers to the Jews use of "sanctified" when it comes to marriage. It can be read online:
1 Corinthians 7 - Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org
1 Corinthians 7, Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, John Gill's Exposition on the Whole Bible provides Christians with deep insights through detailed analysis of Scripture and historical context.
"I can't really based that on an explicit statement of Scripture" - So? A lot of things are said and have been without spelling it out word for word like a 5 year old.
Inference or "the most logical reason/answer" is that your brothers would NOT be babies/infants when you meet them.
Can you give ANY logical or common sense reason God would keep a person as a baby or child?
You can't b/c there is none.
Infant sacrifice is not of God. Satan, Baal, etc. yes but those babies and children did not have the opportunity, time, or mental intelligence so make a competent decision to accept or reject God.
Never heard of John Gill.
He's one person and everybody lies and makes mistakes.
IDK why you brought up the Jews. They don't believe in Jesus' divinity so DOWN they are a going.
When it comes to knowing doctrines, I want to know they come from the scriptures, not from someone's inferences being taught. Along with a solid hermeneutic, the following verse means a lot as I consider how many groups in this day claim to have THE truth, but as Paul was pointing out, the errors come out of going beyond what is written, or as the KJV " learn in us not to think of men above that which is written-
"Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other." (1Cor 4:6 ERV)
John gives us an example of what going beyond what was spoken or written causes, as the brethren began to believe Peter would not die, but they read into Jesus words what seemed reasonable, but it was NOT what Jesus said -
"Peter therefore seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. This saying therefore went forth among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, that he should not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" (John 21:21-23 ERV)
I said nothing about elect infants taken to heaven remaining as infants, and it would be wrong to infer that from what I said about them being in the arms of Christ in a figurative manner. Nothing at all is said about it. I keep that in the category of what God has not told us, it is his secret -
"The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but the things that are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." (Deut 29:29 ERV)
I do know that the elect of any age, or one mentally disadvantaged, is justied by the merit of Jesus Christ in his death, burial and resurrection. Faith does not justify us, the elect infants or mentally incompetent are born from above with faith, deciding or accepting.
"...who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous." (Rom 4:25 YLT) I'll give the comment on this verse given in the Cambridge Bible -
"for our justification] Lit. because of our Justification. The construction is identical. This, and the balance of the clauses, seem to demand the exposition: “He was raised, because our justification was effected;” not, “in order to give us justification,” as many interpret it.
"But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him." (Rom 5:8-9 ERV)
The Apostles were all Jews, the NT writers were Jews, unless Luke excepted; so it is important to gain some knowledge of how the Jews expressed themselves. Even Jesus used the Jewish hyperbole to give emphasis. Studying prophecy, it is important to know the OT use of apocalyptic language or we go off into fairyland. Your remark about John Gill I do not find worthy of an answer.
I would think it is another of the unknowable's hid from mankind. No need to reveal who has the born-again seed .Rather than walk by faith the unseen eternal power
When new prophecy was still being inspired, David suffered the pangs of hell lying in a dying body appointed to die once, in wonderment of his child he cried out unto death. The lord did give him an answer that he would be with his born-again son, but his son could not come back his body returned to the dust
The death of death. The letter of the law thou shall not
New bodies. . . no death or suffering no letter. (death)
When new prophecy was still being inspired, David suffered the pangs of hell lying in a dying body appointed to die once, in wonderment of his child he cried out unto death. The lord did give him an answer that he would be with his born-again son, but his son could not come back his body returned to the dust
The death of death. The letter of the law thou shall not
New bodies. . . no death or suffering no letter. (death)
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Countless things don't have EXACT scripture backing it. This isn't a hard concept.
This guy is one of many who has learned and proven so many things with and without the Bible.
You're limiting yourself. Inference can and does teach people something.
Typing random verses and statements to increase length doesn't make you right.
If you think God DOES send babies and children to Hell then by YOUR own subjective standards give specific word Bible verses.
What determines who is on God's saved list and who is not on God's saved list? It is determined by God's choice, and it is those chosen, for whom Christ died:
"...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that/who was slain." (Rev 13:8 RSV/ESV)
"Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love." (Eph 1:2-4 NRSV) *To be 'holy and blameless", not because they were so.
"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" (Rev 5:9 KJV)
Faith makes manifest the believer's justification, it was not its cause or instrument thereof:
"...who was delivered because of the offences of us and was raised because of the justification of us. Having been justified therefore, by faith peace we have with God through the Lord of us Jesus Christ," (Rom. 4:25-5:1 Alfred Marshall literal translation in his interlinear NT) *The comma I inserted after "therefore" because it was already declared that because of the resurrection justification had already had been accomplished in Christ. Faith is our acknowledgement of what Christ did and having peace with God because of it. Commas are not in the original Greek so placement can be largely based on context.
"But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath of God." (Rom 5:8-9 NRSV)
"...who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace. This grace was given to us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." (2Tim 1:9-10 NRSV)
The gospel brought to light the salvation purchased by Christ, it was not its cause. Now, I believe, as most Christians do, that infants of Christian parents go to be with Christ, largely based on 1 Cor. 7:14 and context; but it is not explicitly stated, so I do not teach it as doctrine, nor indicate others must agree.
So, I believe that babies dying in infancy of the believers, are of the elect. I have no biblical reason to think dying babies of reprobates are of the elect.
The biblical doctrine of salvation places the sovereign birth from above, of the elect, prior to any belief. Believing, accepting, exercising, faith does NOT produce spiritual life fallen man is DEAD in sin. The doctrine on salvation I have expressed is actually is the only theology that would give a solid basis to hope in the salvation of the infants of believers who die when babies.
Ultra MAGA, after looking at several of your posts, I get the impression you like to argue for argument's sake.
Whatever God's decree concerning the death of infants of the reprobates, I know it will be just because Yahweh is just, righteous and holy, by HIS standard, NOT what I think is right for Him to do.
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Here we go again with "lottsa words means I'm right" and still nothing specific about babies going to Hell.
Oh, going into someone's "post history" for ammo is useless.
You also made an assumption.
Knowing WHO God is, He would not send babies and children to Hell. SIMPLE.
A baby that can hardly move on it's own doesn't have the capacity to find, open a bible, and read it let alone listen to someone and understand it.
Children and pre-teens are just as ignorant.
The Age of Accountability which is NOT in it by every single specific word but is in the Bible.
It is a parent's DUTY to each their children "right vs wrong" and "good vs evil".
If they don't, they've failed as a parent and are responsible for that child's sins.
This is grade level Bible school information.
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Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?
Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?
For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,
With kings and counsellers of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves;
Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:
Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.
There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.
there the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.
The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master..
Abba does answer the question just many only believe in God like the demons do demons believe they just dont follow the Word
Sadly this question wouldn't even be a question among True followers of the Living God of Abraham Issac and Jacob..
Because we know
Man does not Live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God as it is written
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