Do dead infants ever get sent to Hell?

[Dylan569]

Even infants are born in sin, original sin, so is God unjust in his dealings with them?

"Thus says the LORD of hosts: I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” (Sa 15:2-3 NRSVue)

"Indeed, I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NRSVue)

"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned— for sin was indeed in the world before the law, but sin is not reckoned when there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin in the likeness of Adam, who is a pattern of the one who was to come." (Rom 5:12-14 NRSVue)

CHAPTER 6
Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the Punishment Thereof
1. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtlety and temptations of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.
2. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body.
3. They being the root of mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed, and the same death in sin and corrupted nature conveyed to all their posterity, descending from them by original generation.
Westminster Confession of Faith

God is Just & Holy:
O LORD, God of Israel, you are just, but we have escaped as a remnant, as is now the case. Here we are before you in our guilt, though no one can face you because of this.” (Ezra 9:15, NRSV)
the fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. (Ps 19:9, NRSV)
They shall celebrate the fame of your abundant goodness, and shall sing aloud of your righteousness. (Ps 145:7, NRSV)
And I heard the altar respond, “Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, your judgments are true and just!” (Rev 16:7, NRSV)

Christians listen to the word of God and believe it, regardless of what man says.

 

[Dylan569]

Even infants are born in sin, original sin, so is God unjust in his dealings with them?

"Thus says the LORD of hosts: I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” (Sa 15:2-3 NRSVue)

"Indeed, I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NRSVue)

"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned— for sin was indeed in the world before the law, but sin is not reckoned when there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin in the likeness of Adam, who is a pattern of the one who was to come." (Rom 5:12-14 NRSVue)

CHAPTER 6
Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the Punishment Thereof
1. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtlety and temptations of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.
2. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body.
3. They being the root of mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed, and the same death in sin and corrupted nature conveyed to all their posterity, descending from them by original generation.
Westminster Confession of Faith

God is Just & Holy:
O LORD, God of Israel, you are just, but we have escaped as a remnant, as is now the case. Here we are before you in our guilt, though no one can face you because of this.” (Ezra 9:15, NRSV)
the fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. (Ps 19:9, NRSV)
They shall celebrate the fame of your abundant goodness, and shall sing aloud of your righteousness. (Ps 145:7, NRSV)
And I heard the altar respond, “Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, your judgments are true and just!” (Rev 16:7, NRSV)

Christians listen to the word of God and believe it, regardless of what man says.

Having posted the paragraph of original sin from the Presbyterian's Westminster Confession, as a Particular Baptist I will add the confession I hold as best expressing my beliefs -

IV - 1646 First London Confession of Baptists
IN the beginning God made all things very good; created man after His own Image, filled with all meet perfection of nature, and free from all sin; but long he abode not in this honor; Satan using the subtlety of the serpent to seduce first Eve, then by her seducing Adam; who without any compulsion, in eating the forbidden fruit, transgressed the command of God, and fell, whereby death came upon all his posterity; who now are conceived in sin, and by nature the children of wrath, the servants of sin, the subjects of death, and other miseries in this world, and for ever, unless the Lord Jesus Christ set them free.
Gen.1:1; Col.1:16; lsa.45:12; 1 Cor.15:45,46; Eccles.7:29; Gen.3:1,4,5; 2 Cor.11:3; 1 Tim.2:14; Ga1.3:22; Rom.5:12,18,19,6:22; Eph.2:3.

The First London Baptist Confession of 1644/1646 - NTRF

Published in 1646 The Text used: There has been some updating of Old English words - but otherwise no changes have been made to the original texts. CONFESSI

ntrf.org

 

[KingJ]

Christians listen to the word of God and believe it, regardless of what man says.

You have cherry picked scriptures to push a SICK belief. See my post # 2 for the ones you are ignoring.

Funny to read you quoting scripture on justice and then failing so miserably at understanding what justice is.

I am not sure how mods still allow you to post here with your extreme 5 pt Calvinist belief.

Your posts merely stumble the young and weak. I cannot believe you would type such a SICK post.

 

[Dylan569]

Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?

Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?

For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,

With kings and counsellers of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves;

Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:

Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.

There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.

there the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.

The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master..


Abba does answer the question just many only believe in God like the demons do demons believe they just dont follow the Word

Sadly this question wouldn't even be a question among True followers of the Living God of Abraham Issac and Jacob..

Because we know

Man does not Live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God as it is written

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From the Christian Post
"Although religious affiliation and church attendance are on the decline, more than half of American teenagers say they're “very motivated” to know more about Jesus, and just over 75% say they're at least “somewhat motivated” to learn about the centerpiece of Christianity"

Considering the name of this forum to be TalkJesus, and reading the preceding from the Christian Post, I thought it would be nice to do a translation of this reply to my post. The lines written are from the biblical book of Job in the 1611 King James Bible translation. It escapes me why anyone would omit where the quotes come from, and make it appear to be one's own composition, but the following is how the verses read in a modern English Bible, specifically the Good News Bible:

"I wish I had died in my mother's womb or died the moment I was born. Why did my mother hold me on her knees? Why did she feed me at her breast? If I had died then, I would be at rest now, sleeping like the kings and rulers who rebuilt ancient palaces. Then I would be sleeping like princes who filled their houses with gold and silver, or sleeping like a stillborn child. In the grave wicked people stop their evil, and tired workers find rest at last. Even prisoners enjoy peace, free from shouts and harsh commands. Everyone is there, the famous and the unknown, and slaves at last are free." (Job 3:11-19 GNB)

Job, a good man, a worshiper of God, has experienced many bad things in his life, a skin disease, a wife's non-support, the loss of his children as well as losing his material goods. It brings to mind the question, why do bad things happen to good people? The phrase "the patience of Job" is shown to be a patience that may argue with God, and have loss of understanding, but he stays true to his faith in the heavenly Father. The end of the book shows the great reward the Almighty gave to Job. Very briefly, that is what is written in the book.

When the poster used the name "Abba", they were not referring to the Swedish music group. It means 'father' in Aramaic. It is used 3 times in the the KJV and other translations, first by Jesus as he addresses His heavenly Father, and the next two by the Apostle Paul. It was used when addressing a petition to God, beginning a prayer and in most English translations it is translated "Abba, Father". It is a term of closeness and tenderness. Jesus is recorded saying this beginning his prayer:

"And going a little farther, he threw himself on the ground and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. He said, 'Abba, Father, for you all things are possible; remove this cup from me; yet, not what I want, but what you want.'” (Mark 14:35-36 New Revised Standard Version)

In various translations you'll find the phrase rendered: "Father, my Father", or "Father," he prayed, 'my Father'!", or "Dear Father" or "Abba! my Father".

This thread is titled "Do dead infants ever get sent to hell?", and among true and sincere Christians you'll hear various answers to that question. But this reply that I'm explaining or translating has nothing to do with that question as far as I can see. But, hopefully, if any teen seekers are reading this from the forum "Talk Jesus", they will have a better understanding.

For a teenager seeking information about Jesus, a good place to start is to read the Gospel of Luke, and the Gospel of John in the New Testament. God bless each and every person who reads this reply.

 

[Twistie]

From the Christian Post
"Although religious affiliation and church attendance are on the decline, more than half of American teenagers say they're “very motivated” to know more about Jesus, and just over 75% say they're at least “somewhat motivated” to learn about the centerpiece of Christianity"

Considering the name of this forum to be TalkJesus, and reading the preceding from the Christian Post, I thought it would be nice to do a translation of this reply to my post. The lines written are from the biblical book of Job in the 1611 King James Bible translation. It escapes me why anyone would omit where the quotes come from, and make it appear to be one's own composition, but the following is how the verses read in a modern English Bible, specifically the Good News Bible:

"I wish I had died in my mother's womb or died the moment I was born. Why did my mother hold me on her knees? Why did she feed me at her breast? If I had died then, I would be at rest now, sleeping like the kings and rulers who rebuilt ancient palaces. Then I would be sleeping like princes who filled their houses with gold and silver, or sleeping like a stillborn child. In the grave wicked people stop their evil, and tired workers find rest at last. Even prisoners enjoy peace, free from shouts and harsh commands. Everyone is there, the famous and the unknown, and slaves at last are free." (Job 3:11-19 GNB)

Job, a good man, a worshiper of God, has experienced many bad things in his life, a skin disease, a wife's non-support, the loss of his children as well as losing his material goods. It brings to mind the question, why do bad things happen to good people? The phrase "the patience of Job" is shown to be a patience that may argue with God, and have loss of understanding, but he stays true to his faith in the heavenly Father. The end of the book shows the great reward the Almighty gave to Job. Very briefly, that is what is written in the book.

When the poster used the name "Abba", they were not referring to the Swedish music group. It means 'father' in Aramaic. It is used 3 times in the the KJV and other translations, first by Jesus as he addresses His heavenly Father, and the next two by the Apostle Paul. It was used when addressing a petition to God, beginning a prayer and in most English translations it is translated "Abba, Father". It is a term of closeness and tenderness. Jesus is recorded saying this beginning his prayer:

"And going a little farther, he threw himself on the ground and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. He said, 'Abba, Father, for you all things are possible; remove this cup from me; yet, not what I want, but what you want.'” (Mark 14:35-36 New Revised Standard Version)

In various translations you'll find the phrase rendered: "Father, my Father", or "Father," he prayed, 'my Father'!", or "Dear Father" or "Abba! my Father".

This thread is titled "Do dead infants ever get sent to hell?", and among true and sincere Christians you'll hear various answers to that question. But this reply that I'm explaining or translating has nothing to do with that question as far as I can see. But, hopefully, if any teen seekers are reading this from the forum "Talk Jesus", they will have a better understanding.

For a teenager seeking information about Jesus, a good place to start is to read the Gospel of Luke, and the Gospel of John in the New Testament. God bless each and every person who reads this reply.

Then perhaps ya just can't hear what is being said..

Perhaps it's not for you to get

It's all written

N it is written man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of YH.

Id say the best part for anyone to start to get to know Abba is Genesis yet many Christians won't even touch the OT sadly

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[Bill]

If the answer is "never", then isn't it actually a blessing when a baby dies since they are saved from maturing and possibly being condemned to be tortured forever in Hell?

They never get sent to hell, but they also never fulfill the fullness of what God desires of us.

I think there are exceptions to that in my own mind when I think about those children who are miscarriages or die during birth. Because these instances are things that are not caused by the parents or not caused by others but happen because God chooses it to happen.

But when we choose to take a child's life through abortion or if we as an adult decide to kill a child for whatever reason then we are taking away that child's ability to become close to God. To grow up and be one with God as Elijah was or Enoch.

God wants us to love Him. He does not want us to be robots, He wants us to choose to love Him because we want to love Him.

When we are fully in love with God, it is then that we are fully alive in Jesus.

 

[KingJ]

But when we choose to take a child's life through abortion or if we as an adult decide to kill a child for whatever reason then we are taking away that child's ability to become close to God. To grow up and be one with God as Elijah was or Enoch.

The underlined is your inserted assumption and a terrible one at that.

Imagine thinking that God did not have a plan for the murdered children who were spirit, mind and body. God did not expect people to murder?

Please see my post # 2 and take a stab at a rebuttal if you disagree.

 

[KingJ]

Then perhaps ya just can't hear what is being said..

Perhaps it's not for you to get

It's all written

N it is written man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of YH.

Id say the best part for anyone to start to get to know Abba is Genesis yet many Christians won't even touch the OT sadly

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@Dylan569 teaches that God is evil. He teaches and believes that God cherry picks people for heaven and now clearly that God sends babies to hell.

I am not sure how someone can teach that God is evil when reading the bible and than also be fine with serving a God they believe is evil. There is no better case study for ostrich syndrome.

 

[Twistie]

@Dylan569 teaches that God is evil. He teaches and believes that God cherry picks people for heaven and now clearly that God sends babies to hell.

I am not sure how someone can teach that God is evil when reading the bible and than also be fine with serving a God they believe is evil. There is no better case study for ostrich syndrome.

I can't even phantom why one would ask a question like that when one claims they follow the Living God..

But then again even the demons believe there's a God they just didnt wanna follow His ways so He booted them out.. go figure guess that would mean even they had free will.. another question I don't get people asking when claiming they follow God..


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[MedicBravo]

many Christians won't even touch the OT sadly

Evidence? Back it or it's your opinion, nothing more.
In any book, there's a difference between reading and understanding.

 

[Bill]

The underlined is your inserted assumption and a terrible one at that.

Imagine thinking that God did not have a plan for the murdered children who were spirit, mind and body. God did not expect people to murder?

Please see my post # 2 and take a stab at a rebuttal if you disagree.

God does not hold a gun to people's heads, we all have free will. And what we choose to do with that free will is ours. So if you choose to take the life of a child then you snuff out the Creative Energy of that child to grow up and become something great in the Lord.

I'm not saying that God doesn't know all these things ahead of time. To me that's part of the mystery of God things that are beyond our understanding.

But I do know what you do in your lifetime the way you affect other people, will be reflected in your lifetime when you stand before the Lord. As scripture States every hair on your head will be counted.

 

[Twistie]

Evidence? Back it or it's your opinion, nothing more.
In any book, there's a difference between reading and understanding.

There's a difference between those that see with flesh n hear with the flesh but are deaf to the Spirit of the Lord..

N proof?

Just shows me where u are at because there's plenty of it n I'm not the one who is gonna spoon feed it to you

How many Christians you know that reads the Word from Genesis to Revelations n continue to do so

I've ran in to a handful in my life time

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

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[KingJ]

God does not hold a gun to people's heads, we all have free will. And what we choose to do with that free will is ours. So if you choose to take the life of a child then you snuff out the Creative Energy of that child to grow up and become something great in the Lord.

I'm not saying that God doesn't know all these things ahead of time. To me that's part of the mystery of God things that are beyond our understanding.

But I do know what you do in your lifetime the way you affect other people, will be reflected in your lifetime when you stand before the Lord. As scripture States every hair on your head will be counted.

I agree with all you said here Bill. But you have not properly addressed my post questioning the reasoning in yours that I underlined.

As all humans are body, spirit and mind, God most certainly still has a plan for all children who had their body murdered. We can say this with confidence. As explained in post # 2.

 

[KingJ]

Evidence? Back it or it's your opinion, nothing more.
In any book, there's a difference between reading and understanding.

It's actually a very well-known fact among most. You won't find it as a denominational truth, but it is most certainly something many Christians believe.

 

[MedicBravo]

There's a difference between those that see with flesh n hear with the flesh but are deaf to the Spirit of the Lord..

N proof?

Just shows me where u are at because there's plenty of it n I'm not the one who is gonna spoon feed it to you

How many Christians you know that reads the Word from Genesis to Revelations n continue to do so

I've ran in to a handful in my life time

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

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You "insist" you're going to "talk/type this way" yet adds nothing and certainly isn't teahing anyone anything.
I've stated before you're not going to reach but a few people.
You're doing this for attention. If you talk like this offline I'd REALLY like to hear it.

 

[th1bill]

If the answer is "never", then isn't it actually a blessing when a baby dies since they are saved from maturing and possibly being condemned to be tortured forever in Hell?

it might be a blessing for the child but it is still murder of the Image of God.

 

[Twistie]

You "insist" you're going to "talk/type this way" yet adds nothing and certainly isn't teahing anyone anything.
I've stated before you're not going to reach but a few people.
You're doing this for attention. If you talk like this offline I'd REALLY like to hear it.

Your just deaf

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

My boys would through tantrums like you when they where little boys too when peep wouldn't do what they wanted how they wanted except mine grown into Men hopefully one day you'll be a man tooB⁠-⁠)
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[MedicBravo]

Your just deaf

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

My boys would through tantrums like you when they where little boys too when peep wouldn't do what they wanted how they wanted except mine grown into Men hopefully one day you'll be a man tooB⁠-⁠)
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"Your just deaf" - "It's "you're" and untrue. Irrelevant to this topic.

We know what they say about those who cause problems (discord) between Christians, Twistie and it isn't me.

 

[Twistie]

"Your just deaf" - "It's "you're" and untrue. Irrelevant to this topic.

We know what they say about those who cause problems (discord) between Christians, Twistie and it isn't me.

Awww we gonna do this again ya gonna keep throwing hissy fit's like a 2 yr old cause ya don't like the way I write or what I write.. it's all right I'm use to little boys fits.. kinda use to you wanting to constantly tug on my skirt hem

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[th1bill]

Awww we gonna do this again ya gonna keep throwing hissy fit's like a 2 yr old cause ya don't like the way I write or what I write.. it's all right I'm use to little boys fits.. kinda use to you wanting to constantly tug on my skirt hem

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It is impossible to see the leading of Ruah/Yashua in your attitude, the attitude of self-righteousness found in your posts.