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Wow I can hear the backlash now. lol So on we go.
First we have to consider the terms used for Jesus in the Gospels, The Son of God, the Son of Man and the Word. All three are relative but for now we’ll deal only with “the Word” the other two we will deal with later, as I said they are all relative.
The fact that the Word was used as it has been is so critical in its importance because it was used so often elsewhere. Where, you want to know I guess, all over in the Old Testament. We have 3 references to titles there, God the Father, The Word and the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost or The Spirit although also critical to our faith will be outta this, as long as you don’t forget about the Spirit in the rest of your dealings in life. Let’s see, that just leaves God the Father and the Word. There are many names for God, fortunately I won’t show off. There is only one that has intrigued me since Sunday school. That name was used only once in the bible. It also appears to be, being dropped from there to, including my new King James Version. The name is Elohim, and even though the name was dropped from the actual bible entry of Genesis 1:1 it is still given in the footnotes. The footnote states that from Hebrew, Elohim is a plural noun. That means that God the Father and The Word are the plural noun, Elohim which is only one God. So stories told about God being a dual entity only God and the Holy Ghost simply isn’t true. The use of just God, as a singular entity allowed for some men to be lured into evil and start their own ministries to tarnish the Word of God. Therefore Elohim and the Holy Ghost actually sets up the original understanding of the Trilogy.
Okay, Lets start by looking at Genesis !:26 And God(430 in Strong’s Dictionary is Elohim) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: To my knowledge there was no other reference made like this. One God, used 1st person plural pronouns when speaking of himself. It will always be unclear whom, he was actually speaking with, But giving us what God felt we should have for our use, it becomes clear that my use of Elohim has to be more than reasonable.
Now, let’s look at what a Hebrew website has to say. This from
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Nam...im/elohim.html. At the end will be the e-mail I received from the site’s owner to use this definition
“The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking: it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean "gods" when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g., see Gen. 1:26). However, considering the (Trinity), the form indeed allows for the plurality within the Godhead.” You have no idea how excited I got to find this particular site. Of all the Hebrew sites I looked at, this one was the clearest and gives their information so concisely that it sounds like I wrote it (lol). Even how the Trinity is understood, we are in unison. I guess I can use that Philippians 2:1&2 entry If there be therefore any consolation (solace) in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies. Fulfil ye my joy that ye be like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Meaning if we love and live in the Will of Christ we become like-minded with Christ. Moving on. I underlined the first sentence above for a reason, to demonstrate how twisted the men who make their own doctrine are, and how easy it is to taint God’s word. The meaning from the Hebrew site is a simple fact.
This next excerpt comes from CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05393a.htm . Showing the defamitory nature of misguided men.
“ Elohim See also GOD. (Septuagint, theos; Vulgate, Deus).
-Elohim is the common name for God. It is a plural form, but "The usage of the language gives no support to the supposition that we have in the plural form Elohim, applied to the God of Israel -Elohim has been explained as a plural form of Eloah or as plural derivative of El. Those who adhere to the former explanation do not agree as to the derivation of Eloah. There is no such verbal stem as alah in Hebrew; but the Arabist Fleischer, Franz Delitzsch, and others appeal to the Arabic aliha, meaning "to be filled with dread", "anxiously to seek refuge", so that ilah (eloah) would mean in the first place "dread", then the object of dread”. Please read again the underlined words above. If Elohim is unique to Hebrew how on earth can it possibly be linked to Arabic and especial Allah. Seeing this, knowing the Catholics call themselves the head of Christianity in today’s world, I was very offended, but this is only one example of how Catholic and all religious doctrine leave their parishers outside God's Law and our Father's Kingdom in Heaven. Mark 7:6>9 God's Command or Man's Tradition. hmm, That’s why I only accept Jesus as the head of my faith and belief and His Ministry my way of life. In addition, many wiccans and cultists use it as meaning many gods. This is equally as deplorable.
In conclusion Elohim being our God in plural, The Father and the Word perhaps you can understand why I believe, no, why I know God gave us a part of Himself, Jesus, The Word made flesh, To physically be with us, talk with us and live by His own laws as a living example for us, on how to do so. May you all live and love in the Will of the Lord.
As promised here is the permission to use and link to hebrew4christians
From: "Hebrew4Christians Web Site" <[email protected]>
Date: September 8, 2008 9:37 PM
To: "paganmystic" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: John J. Parsons, re: permission information.
That's excellent insight, though I am unsure what you are asking me, Mr. Duke. You are welcome to link to anything you find helpful in making your case against faulty interpretations, of course.
Thanks and kul tuv , John
— Original Message
From: paganmystic
To: info_hebrew4christians
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:58 PM
Subject: attn: John J. Parsons, re: permission information.
First we have to consider the terms used for Jesus in the Gospels, The Son of God, the Son of Man and the Word. All three are relative but for now we’ll deal only with “the Word” the other two we will deal with later, as I said they are all relative.
The fact that the Word was used as it has been is so critical in its importance because it was used so often elsewhere. Where, you want to know I guess, all over in the Old Testament. We have 3 references to titles there, God the Father, The Word and the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost or The Spirit although also critical to our faith will be outta this, as long as you don’t forget about the Spirit in the rest of your dealings in life. Let’s see, that just leaves God the Father and the Word. There are many names for God, fortunately I won’t show off. There is only one that has intrigued me since Sunday school. That name was used only once in the bible. It also appears to be, being dropped from there to, including my new King James Version. The name is Elohim, and even though the name was dropped from the actual bible entry of Genesis 1:1 it is still given in the footnotes. The footnote states that from Hebrew, Elohim is a plural noun. That means that God the Father and The Word are the plural noun, Elohim which is only one God. So stories told about God being a dual entity only God and the Holy Ghost simply isn’t true. The use of just God, as a singular entity allowed for some men to be lured into evil and start their own ministries to tarnish the Word of God. Therefore Elohim and the Holy Ghost actually sets up the original understanding of the Trilogy.
Okay, Lets start by looking at Genesis !:26 And God(430 in Strong’s Dictionary is Elohim) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: To my knowledge there was no other reference made like this. One God, used 1st person plural pronouns when speaking of himself. It will always be unclear whom, he was actually speaking with, But giving us what God felt we should have for our use, it becomes clear that my use of Elohim has to be more than reasonable.
Now, let’s look at what a Hebrew website has to say. This from
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Nam...im/elohim.html. At the end will be the e-mail I received from the site’s owner to use this definition
“The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking: it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean "gods" when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g., see Gen. 1:26). However, considering the (Trinity), the form indeed allows for the plurality within the Godhead.” You have no idea how excited I got to find this particular site. Of all the Hebrew sites I looked at, this one was the clearest and gives their information so concisely that it sounds like I wrote it (lol). Even how the Trinity is understood, we are in unison. I guess I can use that Philippians 2:1&2 entry If there be therefore any consolation (solace) in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies. Fulfil ye my joy that ye be like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Meaning if we love and live in the Will of Christ we become like-minded with Christ. Moving on. I underlined the first sentence above for a reason, to demonstrate how twisted the men who make their own doctrine are, and how easy it is to taint God’s word. The meaning from the Hebrew site is a simple fact.
This next excerpt comes from CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05393a.htm . Showing the defamitory nature of misguided men.
“ Elohim See also GOD. (Septuagint, theos; Vulgate, Deus).
-Elohim is the common name for God. It is a plural form, but "The usage of the language gives no support to the supposition that we have in the plural form Elohim, applied to the God of Israel -Elohim has been explained as a plural form of Eloah or as plural derivative of El. Those who adhere to the former explanation do not agree as to the derivation of Eloah. There is no such verbal stem as alah in Hebrew; but the Arabist Fleischer, Franz Delitzsch, and others appeal to the Arabic aliha, meaning "to be filled with dread", "anxiously to seek refuge", so that ilah (eloah) would mean in the first place "dread", then the object of dread”. Please read again the underlined words above. If Elohim is unique to Hebrew how on earth can it possibly be linked to Arabic and especial Allah. Seeing this, knowing the Catholics call themselves the head of Christianity in today’s world, I was very offended, but this is only one example of how Catholic and all religious doctrine leave their parishers outside God's Law and our Father's Kingdom in Heaven. Mark 7:6>9 God's Command or Man's Tradition. hmm, That’s why I only accept Jesus as the head of my faith and belief and His Ministry my way of life. In addition, many wiccans and cultists use it as meaning many gods. This is equally as deplorable.
In conclusion Elohim being our God in plural, The Father and the Word perhaps you can understand why I believe, no, why I know God gave us a part of Himself, Jesus, The Word made flesh, To physically be with us, talk with us and live by His own laws as a living example for us, on how to do so. May you all live and love in the Will of the Lord.
As promised here is the permission to use and link to hebrew4christians
From: "Hebrew4Christians Web Site" <[email protected]>
Date: September 8, 2008 9:37 PM
To: "paganmystic" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: John J. Parsons, re: permission information.
That's excellent insight, though I am unsure what you are asking me, Mr. Duke. You are welcome to link to anything you find helpful in making your case against faulty interpretations, of course.
Thanks and kul tuv , John
— Original Message
From: paganmystic
To: info_hebrew4christians
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:58 PM
Subject: attn: John J. Parsons, re: permission information.
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