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Do you agree with me or not?

Im not who you asked, but heres a few.

God = Opposite of Evil, Allah = Creator of Evil
The Holy Bible teaches that God cannot be tempted by evil and neither tempts anyone with evil; evil being understood as referring to immorality and sin. James 1:13 (c.f. Psalm 5:4-5; Habakkuk 1:13)

Yet, the Quran teaches that Allah is the author of evil:

And (the unbelievers) schemed and planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is Allah. S. 3:54

Remember how the unbelievers schemed against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or to slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They scheme and plot, but the best of schemers is Allah. S. 8:30

God= Just, Provides Way out. Allah = Causes people to sin and go to hell.
"Whomsoever Allah guides, he is the one who follows the right way; and whomsoever He causes to err, these are the losers. And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; ... Whomsoever Allah causes to err, there is no guide for him; and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on." S. 7:178-179, 186

God = Hates Sin Allah = Causes it.
Verily Allah has fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in, and which he of necessity must commit (or there would be no escape from it)." Sahih Muslim #6421, 6422

To even imagine that Allah causes adultery is not only horrendous but disqualifies him from being the God of Moses.

There are other Auguments as well. Islam doesnt believe in Free Will, Chrstianity does. Thats a huge Difference.

Islam Rejects the Trinity, we dont, obviously.

Allah Changes his word, God does not.
By degrees shall We teach thee (Muhammad) to declare (the Message) so thou shalt not forget, except as Allah Wills: For He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden. And We will make it easy for thee (to follow) the simple (Path).
 
Dalia said:
bothersinarmst4g,

I would like you to tell me about the differences between God and allah so that we all can get a clear picture of who muslims worship. Can you do that?

John 8:19
*“Where is your father?” they asked.
Jesus answered, “Since you don’t know who I am, you don’t know who my Father is. If you knew me, then you would know my Father, too.”
 
I looked up the verses in the Koran and found out that you changed the words of the verses to match your idea of Islam.
I explained them according to the Islamic teachings and refuted what you said because it is a shame to twist words and defame someone's faith even if we don’t agree with him or believe his book.

My goal in life is to make as many muslims as possible convert to Christianity and to accomplish that goal I must treat muslims nicely and avoid insulting their prophet and book because that will have a bad reflect on my religion's image and mine. And also I must be very patient with them because I know they will not become Christians over night.

When I am with muslims I talk about and praise Jesus and tell them how magnificent it is to be his follower. Also I talk about the bible and the splendid lessons it contains. I found out that some are really interested in Christianity and cant wait to feel the love of Jesus and have his light in their lives.

1- verse 3:54 " and (the unbelievers) plotted and planned and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah"

The word (plan) in arabic has both a bad and a good meaning, that of making an intricate plan to carry out some secret purpose. The enemies of Allah are constantly doing that. But Allah in whose hands is all good has his plans also against which the evil ones will have no chance whatever.

2- verse 8:30 "remember how the unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and allah too plans, but the best of planners is Allah"

The plots against mohammad in mecca aimed at three things. They were not only foiled, but allah's plan turned the tables and brought good out of evil in each case. (1) they tried to hold mohammad in subjection in mecca by putting pressure on his uncles , relatives and friends. but the more they persecuted , the more the little muslim community grew in faith and numbers. (2) they tried to injure or slay him. but the example of his humility , perseverance, and fearlessness furthered the cause of islam.(3) they tried to get him and his followers out of their homes but they found a new home in madinah (a city near mecca)

3- verses 7: 178-179, 186 " whom Allah doth guide he is on the right path: whom he rejects from his guidance such are the person who lose" "many are the junns and men we have made for hell: they have hearts wherewith the understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle, nay more misguided : for they are heedless (of warning)

You did not paste the the rest of the verse because you didn’t want us to see why some people go to hell. You wanted us to think that allah sends people to hell for no reason at all.

Those who reject allah will be deprived of allah's grace and guidance. his mercy is always open for sincere repentance. But with each step downwards, they go lower and lower until they perish.
Though they have apparently all the faculties of reason and perception, they have so deadened them that those faculties do not work, and they go headlong into. They are, as it were made for hell.

"to such as allah rejects from guidance, there can be no guide: he will leave them in their trespasses. Wandering in distraction"

If allah's light is removed, the best of them can only wander hither and thither, like blind men, in distraction

4- Verily Allah has fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in, and which he of necessity must commit (or there would be no escape from it)." Sahih Muslim

Sahih muslim was written by a Hypocrite that claimed he was a muslim. The book is not acknowledged by muslims

5- "By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget, Except as Allah wills: for He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden. And We will make it easy for thee (to follow) the simple (Path)."

Allah assures the mohammad that though he was unlettered, the message given to him would be preserved in his heart and in the hearts of the men. The more general senses is that mankind, having once seized great spiritual truths, will hold fast to them, except as qualified in the following verse.
It is a beneficiet mercy of allah that we should forget some things of the past, lest our minds become confused and our development is retarded. Allah knows what is manifest and what is hidden, and his will and plan work with supreme wisdom and goodness.
The path of islam is simple and easy. It depends on no abstruse mysteries or self-mortification, but on straight and manly conduct in accordance with the laws of man's nature as implanted by allah. On the other hand, spiritual perfection may be most difficult , for it involves complete surrender on our part to allah in all our affairs, thoughts, and desires: but after that surrender allah's grace will make our path easy
 
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Dalia, allah and Jehovah are not one in the same. allah is a false God, just like buddah,brahman, baal, baal-zebub, l.ron hubbard, krishna and lotus sutra. They do not recognize Jesus as Lord and therefore they do not know Jehovah God
you said you are a christian, so I assume you are born again, please pray and ask God to reveal His plan for you concerning these muslims, it sounds like you are already being persuaded by their false teachings.
 
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Dalia . You said you're mission was to witness to muslims and bring them to Christ . Great . Go to yahoo , and look into the religion sites , and witness to the muslims there . We are followers of Jesus Christ ! You seem to be the only one trying to convert us as you said . But not from muslim to Jesus . But rather Jesus to muslim ! Nobody cares about the muslim faith here ! Only the one true God [ Jehovah ] ! Sell it somewhere else ! BROTHERSINARMST4G
 
Dalia said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. please tell me another joke.

If its a joke to you then why post such a lengthy response that seems to defend islam's teachings?

This is a Christian site, you say you are Christian so simply preach the Gospels, the Truth and move on. What is the difficulty here? Are you trying to catch people's views against your own about how to treat or preach to muslims?
 
I looked up the verses in the Koran and found out that you changed the words of the verses to match your idea of Islam.

I didnt change anything, they are excepts from an Apologetics site.

I explained them according to the Islamic teachings and refuted what you said because it is a shame to twist words and defame someone's faith even if we don’t agree with him or believe his book.
This has to be the most non-sensical thing I've ever heard. "Its Wrong" is more defaming then anything I posted. And Obviously you view it as wrong, if your a Christian.

My goal in life is to make as many muslims as possible convert to Christianity and to accomplish that goal I must treat muslims nicely and avoid insulting their prophet and book because that will have a bad reflect on my religion's image and mine.
I think your missing something. You dont think Muslums view "Your Prophet was fake, and your going to hell" as insulting? Your motives should Be to Show them the truth, and nothing beyond that. The purpose of Ministry is to Reveal to them the truth of the Gospels. not to sweet talk them into anything.

When I am with muslims I talk about and praise Jesus and tell them how magnificent it is to be his follower. Also I talk about the bible and the splendid lessons it contains. I found out that some are really interested in Christianity and cant wait to feel the love of Jesus and have his light in their lives.
I dont want to offend you, so stop reading if your easly offended.
--How Magnificent is it to be his follower? Jesus himself spoke of how much we would be persecuted. Lying to people and telling them that all is well once you become a christian is crap and flat out blasphemy.
--"Feel the love of Jesus", this statement is puzzling to me. People in All religions report emotional "highs" from encountering their various god. If you base your faith of some feeling you get, check yourself. The only reason to believe in Christanity, is because its true. You may get some emotional Responce or you may not.
 
verses 7: 178-179, 186 " whom Allah doth guide he is on the right path: whom he rejects from his guidance such are the person who lose" "many are the junns and men we have made for hell: they have hearts wherewith the understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle, nay more misguided : for they are heedless (of warning)

You did not paste the the rest of the verse because you didn’t want us to see why some people go to hell. You wanted us to think that allah sends people to hell for no reason at all.

Ok, this doesnt change the objection. God Does not predestine people for Hell. This suggests Allah does. "MADE FOR HELL". Ok, so this does away with the charactor of Allah matching God. In one verse. God above all is Just, apparently, Allah is not. Plus, if they Are made for hell, they have no free will, another contradiction to Christianity. Point still present.

It depends on no abstruse mysteries or self-mortification, but on straight and manly conduct in accordance with the laws of man's nature as implanted by allah.
ROMANS 8:2-4
2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,[a] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[c] 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
 
i dont defend muslims teachings or even believe them but i posted that lengthy response because i wanted you to understand their beliefs so you will know how to talk to them.

you all want to hate them, insult their prophet and religion, flush their book and treat them like dirt because you all agree that is the best way to convince a muslim to convert to christianity. how many muslims converted to christianity after being treated like that?

i can not keep talking about nice treatment and all that because you are all adults and know very well how a human should be treated but you prefer mistreating muslims because probably the churches you go to tell you to do so.

doulos, make a list of the things you have done in your life and compare it with the teachings of jesus in the bible to figure out why you dont feel good about yourself.
 
Read others posts and see for yourself instead of arguing with me over my posts. Besides, most Christians express their hatred against muslims in deeds not necessarily in words and that church in north carolina is a proof of what I mean.
Go to a Christian chat room , pretend you are a muslim and start talking about islam and mohammad and you will see how they are going to treat you. The first thing they will do is calling mohammad a liar and if one of them has no shame at all he will start mocking you and maybe insulting you. What do you call these people? Obedient to God? They degrade Christianity in muslims and non believers eyes. That’s the kind of behavior you should be baffled by, not my behavior.
You all say you don’t hate muslims. You wouldn't call soemone's prophet or book a liar if you loved them. One of the members said that flushing the Koran was no different than flushing a playboy magazine. What kind of a disgusting statement is that?

Before you teach me how to be obedient to God start with yourself.

The love of Jesus will not get into non Christians hearts as long as there are Christians spreading hatred.
 
1 Thessalonians 5v15-See that no one renders injury for injury to anyone else,but always pursue what is good toward one another and to all others.

That scripture sums it up doesnt it?
 
Dalia said:
You all say you don’t hate muslims. You wouldn't call soemone's prophet or book a liar if you loved them. One of the members said that flushing the Koran was no different than flushing a playboy magazine. What kind of a disgusting statement is that?

Before you teach me how to be obedient to God start with yourself.

The love of Jesus will not get into non Christians hearts as long as there are Christians spreading hatred.

Jesus said that there are many false prophets, does that mean that He doesn't love them? By the way, I'm the one who said that flushing the koran is no different than flushing a playboy magazine an I still do .If you want to bow to allah thats your choice but don't come in here looking for support. This is TALK JESUS not talk allah.
As far as your title to this thread, no I do not agree with you at all.
 
doulos, make a list of the things you have done in your life and compare it with the teachings of jesus in the bible to figure out why you dont feel good about yourself.
Of Corse my list would pale in compairson, Hes GOD. Duh? I have True Joy in God, but i recognise that I, by myself, am crap. Thats the attitude God calls us to have. God wants us to have hope in Him, and reaslise we are fallen, sinful, and dead without Him. If you believe in Christianity only because it makes you feel good, you missed the point completely.

The first thing they will do is calling mohammad a liar
HE WAS, THATS THE POINT!

They degrade Christianity in muslims and non believers eyes
Then these people are idiots. We discussed this in another thread. Only a fool judges a religion by the behavior of its adherants. Esspically a religion that says all humanity is fallen and sinful.

You all say you don’t hate muslims. You wouldn't call soemone's prophet or book a liar if you loved them.
YES YOU WOULD. I Dont want Muslums to go to hell, so I will tell them the TRUTH. not some watered down, Jesus-can-help-you-Balance-your-check-book herticial Crap!

Before you teach me how to be obedient to God start with yourself.
God called us the preach the truth. Clearly, we are doing that. What are you teaching? Plank in your eye?

The love of Jesus will not get into non Christians hearts as long as there are Christians spreading hatred.
Catch a Clue, we arnt spreading Hate, we are spreading Truth!

-Doulos
 
This is going too far now. If we want people to follow Christ we must show them who He is, not by accepting another's belief's. My husband's family background is Buddist, there was a shrine set up in his home, offerings were made to Budda. My husband and his brother accepted Christ as teenagers, he never accepted Buddism as a way of life, in his eyes it was wrong.
Dalia, you do not like people saying mohammed is a liar, that is fine however, mohammed did not speak truth, is there another name you would like people to call him for one who spreads non-truth? If you have another name please let us know so we do not offend you.
No one here has spread hatred, those are defaming remarkes. You opened a door here to ask people's opinion you now have it, unfortunately you do not like it that is your perogative. Please do not ask opinions then become intolerate of what you hear. Share the work you are doing with Muslim's which is great, but don't turn on Christ's family because you don't like what you read from them.
As for going to Christian chat rooms and pretending to be Muslim is rather silly but not strange for TJ here. I have been on here when Muslim's come intentionally to cause difficulties. I have been told by various Muslims that they come here because they want to "teach us Christian's the truth." Now that is a friendly way to open a conversation don't you think? I have never gone on a Muslim chat room to prove them wrong however, some feel it is there "duty" to come here to TJ to "teach us." Pitiful don't you think?
We are all in this fight together, please don't turn on each other, a house divided will fall.
 
Dalia said:
talking to people like you is a total waste of time

And you call that Christian love?

You've wasted our time indeed.
 
I agree

Yeah, i agree with u mymakersdaughter'', i understand what Dalia wanna say, but my Girl' u have to understand we're from the GodFamily and not to say;'that's a waste of time''; that is a sign of hatred :confused:
PLease we have to be :boy_hug: and :girl: :love:in Jesus!!
We have to show them Our love and keep our testimony>> TELL THE TRUTH ONLY.........
OOKK??
bye
God bLESS u All! :thumbs_up
 
The Koran is fit for the pit, and the book, along with it`s false god and false prophet are destined for there! Muslims feel it is a duty and a privilege to kill Christians who speak anything against their god Allah. I feel it is a duty and a privilege to defend the cross of Jesus Christ. If anyone reject Jesus he is damned already!

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
Coconut said:
The Koran is fit for the pit, and the book, along with it`s false god and false prophet are destined for there! Muslims feel it is a duty and a privilege to kill Christians who speak anything against their god Allah. I feel it is a duty and a privilege to defend the cross of Jesus Christ. If anyone reject Jesus he is damned already!

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Sounds Like A Royal Flush !!!!!!! I agree Coconut ! It should be flushed down the hopper ! Just my thoughts . Mike :computer:
 
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