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Hekuran said:
Abortion was practised in Bible times. Why so little emphasis on it?
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The word abortion isn't in the BIble, we already covered that. Murder, killing children is.

Old Testament
Exod 20:13; "You shall not murder.
Deut 5:17; 'You shall not murder.

New Testament - Jesus.
Matt 5:21; "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'
Matt 19:18; Then he *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;
Mark 10:19; "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"
Luke 18:20; "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"

New Testament - Paul and James
Rom 13:9; For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Jas 2:11; For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

How many times does the Bible have to say it, before it is "emphasized"?
 
B-A-C said:
The word abortion isn't in the BIble, we already covered that. Murder, killing children is.

Old Testament
Exod 20:13; "You shall not murder.
Deut 5:17; 'You shall not murder.

New Testament - Jesus.
Matt 5:21; "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'
Matt 19:18; Then he *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;
Mark 10:19; "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"
Luke 18:20; "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"

New Testament - Paul and James
Rom 13:9; For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Jas 2:11; For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

How many times does the Bible have to say it, before it is "emphasized"?
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What has convinced you that the Bible considers abortion to be murder?
 
Hekuran said:
What has convinced you that the Bible considers abortion to be murder?
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Is this a serious question? Do both cause death? Are both premeditated intent to cause death?
What has convinced you that it isn't?
 
B-A-C said:
Is this a serious question? Do both cause death? Are both premeditated intent to cause death?
What has convinced you that it isn't?
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I'm questioning it. Abortion is murder has not always been a fixed doctrine of the church. In June 1970 a group of conservative evangelical scholars agreed that


"The Christian physician will advise induced abortion only to safeguard greater values sanctioned by Scripture. These values should include individual health, family welfare, and social responsibility.

From the moment of birth, the infant is a human being with all the rights which Scripture accords to all human beings; therefore infanticide under any circumstances must be condemned."

A Protestant Affirmation on the Control of Human Reproduction


Abortion according to this group permissable for the greater good of family welfare or social responsibility.

In church history Augustine, Aquinas, John Wesley and Jonathan Edwards took a similar position.

None of the above are infallible, but they are not easily dismissed.
 
Hekuran said:
a group of conservative evangelical scholars
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So in your opinion, a group of men, has a higher doctrinal authority than the BIble. Here in the state of Washington 192 clergymen from various denominations signed a bill supporting homosexual marriage.
That makes it right because some men supported it? I agree in some cases, such as a medical emergency or something similar, it may be necessary. But for the vast ( 99% ) majority of these, it isn't necessary.
 
B-A-C said:
So in your opinion, a group of men, has a higher doctrinal authority than the BIble.
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Wrong. That's not my opinion.

I'm asking what the Bible actually has to say on this issue. So far, you've not given me much to go on.
 
Hekuran said:
Wrong. That's not my opinion.

I'm asking what the Bible actually has to say on this issue. So far, you've not given me much to go on.
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I've given over 40 scriptures that say don't kill anybody, and don't kill your children. If you don't see, it's because you don't want to.
abortion is killing, there is no way around that. I have no more to say.
 
Hekuran said:
What has convinced you that the Bible considers abortion to be murder?
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Not sure if your aware but the fetus is ... alive in the womb. Its a baby, a child.

Their are only few occasions abortion is acceptable in the Church and I cannot quote if it is in the Bible... it is very much set against it.

( Pro-lifer)
 
EverlastingWinter said:
Not sure if your aware but the fetus is ... alive in the womb. Its a baby, a child.

Their are only few occasions abortion is acceptable in the Church and I cannot quote if it is in the Bible... it is very much set against it.

( Pro-lifer)
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Yes, though the church has held different views at different times. It's only in the last 50 years that the view that full human life begins at conception has taken a strong hold.

I'm looking for some Biblical wisdom to base my beliefs on.
 
Hekuran said:
Yes, though the church has held different views at different times. It's only in the last 50 years that the view that full human life begins at conception has taken a strong hold.

I'm looking for some Biblical wisdom to base my beliefs on.
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Hekuran said:
Yes, though the church has held different views at different times. It's only in the last 50 years that the view that full human life begins at conception has taken a strong hold.

I'm looking for some Biblical wisdom to base my beliefs on.
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A small English lesson.​

The word "abortion" started being used in English around the mid-1500s, coming from the Latin word "abortus," which means "to be born prematurely." If you wasn't aware British people love to use words derived from the Latin language. So basically the word really didn't exist until long after the time of Jesus. People used to talk about "miscarriage" to describe losing a pregnancy, either naturally or through intervention. In the past, some dangerous methods to induce abortion included using poisons or physical violence against women.

When it comes to closer passages, maybe Exodus 21:22-25. It discusses the consequences of causing a miscarriage, two men fought and accidently hit a woman. If it caused a miscarriage, one life shall be taken. Still this is to demonstrate that causing a misscarriage in a woman accidently or not will have consquences. In that time the woman is the property of the man so it wouldnt account for woman wanting to do this act to themselves on their own accord.

Thats all I really know on the subject when it comes to bible matters- sorry.
 
Thank you @EverlastingWinter

The Exodus 21:22-25 passage is very interesting, and there doesn't seem to agreement on what it means. Some people believe it's about causing a miscarriage, others believe that it's about causing a premature birth.

I don't know Hebrew, but I've looked up the word and it simply means 'come forth'.

If the punishment for causing a miscarriage is to pay a fine set by a judge, then that's an indication that the crime is less serious than murder.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply!
 
Hekuran said:
Yes, though the church has held different views at different times. It's only in the last 50 years that the view that full human life begins at conception has taken a strong hold.

I'm looking for some Biblical wisdom to base my beliefs on.
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Hekuran said:
Thank you @EverlastingWinter

The Exodus 21:22-25 passage is very interesting, and there doesn't seem to agreement on what it means. Some people believe it's about causing a miscarriage, others believe that it's about causing a premature birth.

I don't know Hebrew, but I've looked up the word and it simply means 'come forth'.

If the punishment for causing a miscarriage is to pay a fine set by a judge, then that's an indication that the crime is less serious than murder.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply!
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You should approach the teachings of the Bible with a comprehensive perspective, rather than focusing solely on select passages and questioning small words. When we do, we can see that the principles guiding our decisions often revolve around the fundamental idea of the Ten Commandments. You could create a fictional tale using whatever parts of the Bible suits you.

The scripture suggests that if there is no harm done, then the actions may be regarded as acceptable. In situations where a woman suffers injury and experiences bleeding but does not lose her child, a small fine may be appropriate. However, if the unfortunate outcome is the loss of the child, the consequences are significantly more severe. Additionally, if a woman gives birth prematurely but the baby is healthy, it is fine. It is also worth noting that the wishes of the husband play a role in these considerations.

Anyway, wasn't the original message about Disney?
 
Hekuran said:
Those Bible texts are silent on the topic of abortion. They are about child sacrifice.
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WOW that is a sad statement from anyone claiming to be a follower of Christ !! and a outright lie, or hopefully just a ignorant post
 
Hekuran said:
You've not quite understood my question. I'm asking how strong is the biblical basis for equating abortion with murder?
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do you read the Bible, if so how often, how much are you in prayer, your true colors are coming out and ain't pretty,

I say this a someone who cares no spirit filled person would ask such a ignorant question
 
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