Dress Codes

[Bob Carabbio]

I think you're misreading that passage. A person is Not to see a person's frontal nudity.

Your opinion is noted. I disagree.

 

[Sue D.]

Explain Why you disagree.

 

[IamachildofGod4 ever]

Nudity now has implications of sinfulness attached to it. With few exceptions, the Bible presents nakedness as shameful and degrading (Genesis 9:21; Exodus 20:26; 32:25; 2 Chronicles 28:19; Isaiah 47:3; Ezekiel 16:35-36; Luke 8:27; Revelation 3:17; 16:15; 17:16). The only passages in which nudity is free of shame are those that describe Eden’s idyllic setting or that deal with marital relations (Proverbs 5:18-19; Song of Solomon 4).

We still live in a fallen world, surrounded by lust, immorality, and perversion. The innocence of Eden is gone. Naturist philosophy ignores the results of the fall. Even in “asexual” contexts, public displays of nudity dishonor God by pretending an innocence that no longer exists. A Christian should definitely not be a nudist or participate in nudist activities.

Preceding from got questions……
It doesn’t matter what your opinion is… It matters what the Bible says

 

[B-A-C]

Gen 9:22; Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.
Gen 9:23; But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it upon both their shoulders and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were turned away, so that they did not see their father's nakedness.
Gen 9:24; When Noah awoke from his wine, he knew what his youngest son had done to him.
Gen 9:25; So he said, "Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brothers."
Gen 9:26; He also said, "Blessed be the LORD, The God of Shem; And let Canaan be his servant.

2Sam 6:20; But when David returned to bless his household, Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David and said, "How the king of Israel distinguished himself today! He uncovered himself today in the eyes of his servants' maids as one of the foolish ones shamelessly uncovers himself!"

Lev 18:6; 'None of you shall approach any blood relative of his to uncover nakedness; I am the LORD.
Lev 18:7; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, that is, the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you are not to uncover her nakedness.
Lev 18:8; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife; it is your father's nakedness.
Lev 18:9; 'The nakedness of your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether born at home or born outside, their nakedness you shall not uncover.
Lev 18:10; 'The nakedness of your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter, their nakedness you shall not uncover; for their nakedness is yours.
Lev 18:11; 'The nakedness of your father's wife's daughter, born to your father, she is your sister, you shall not uncover her nakedness.
Lev 18:12; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's sister; she is your father's blood relative.
Lev 18:13; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister, for she is your mother's blood relative.
Lev 18:14; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's brother; you shall not approach his wife, she is your aunt.
Lev 18:15; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son's wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness.
Lev 18:16; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife; it is your brother's nakedness.
Lev 18:17; 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, nor shall you take her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; they are blood relatives. It is lewdness.

Lev 20:17; 'If there is a man who takes his sister, his father's daughter or his mother's daughter, so that he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace; and they shall be cut off in the sight of the sons of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness; he bears his guilt.
Lev 20:18; 'If there is a man who lies with a menstruous woman and uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her flow, and she has exposed the flow of her blood; thus both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
Lev 20:19; 'You shall also not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for such a one has made naked his blood relative; they will bear their guilt.
Lev 20:20; 'If there is a man who lies with his uncle's wife he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they will bear their sin. They will die childless.
Lev 20:21; 'If there is a man who takes his brother's wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They will be childless.

2Cor 5:2 For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
2Cor 5:3 inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.
2Cor 5:4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

I wonder why spiritual "nakedness" is as much a sin as physical "nakedness".

Rev 3:17; 'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,
Rev 3:18; I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

Ezek 16:36; Thus says the Lord GOD, "Because your lewdness was poured out and your nakedness uncovered through your harlotries with your lovers and with all your detestable idols, and because of the blood of your sons which you gave to idols,
Ezek 16:37; therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers with whom you took pleasure, even all those whom you loved and all those whom you hated. So I will gather them against you from every direction and expose your nakedness to them that they may see all your nakedness.

Micah 1:11; Go on your way, inhabitant of Shaphir, in shameful nakedness. The inhabitant of Zaanan does not escape. The lamentation of Beth-ezel: "He will take from you its support."

Hab 2:15; "Woe to you who make your neighbors drink, Who mix in your venom even to make them drunk So as to look on their nakedness!
Hab 2:16; "You will be filled with disgrace rather than honor. Now you yourself drink and expose your own nakedness. The cup in the LORD'S right hand will come around to you, And utter disgrace will come upon your glory.

Isa 47:3; "Your nakedness will be uncovered, Your shame also will be exposed; I will take vengeance and will not spare a man."

It seems a lot of verses call nakedness shameful or lewdness.

Exod 20:25; 'If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it.
Exod 20:26; 'And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.'

Gen 3:21; The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.

... I do have to wonder how our resident nudist views these verses.

 

[IamachildofGod4 ever]

And interestingly, enough… The garments that the Lord made for Adam and Eve covered more than the fig leaves. No coincidence. We are not supposed to engage in isegesis, only exegesis.

 

[MedicBravo]

When Jesus encountered, the woman caught in adultery… Yes, he was loving to her, but he also told her, go and sin no more. If a hooker showed up, would it be loving to not speak to her regarding what she is doing… Debasing her body and soul by engaging in sexual sin? You can love someone who is committing sin and try and explain to them that what they are doing, is not pleasing to God. You can be loving to someone and explain to them that we are to glorify God with our bodies… Which are temples of the Holy Spirit once we are saved.

First, if a hooker shows up in her "work attire" then she must be covered. There are people of all ages present at church and one person's "life" affords no ability to do that over the majority.
If she's in danger she needs to be in a hospital or with the police.
We have an innate sense of modesty especially around other and children.

 

[Brother Paul]

First, if a hooker shows up in her "work attire" then she must be covered. There are people of all ages present at church and one person's "life" affords no ability to do that over the majority.
If she's in danger she needs to be in a hospital or with the police.
We have an innate sense of modesty especially around other and children.

Indeed we should. I agree, except if on rarest occasion where a walker by hears the word and for reasons only God knows, they are drawn in. I had such an experience once and this pastor turned out a homeless man who was very dirty and had lots to say to this bum publicly, afterwards many got up and left. I and some that I knew never returned.

Still however your point is right and a good rule of thumb.

 

[MedicBravo]

When Jesus encountered, the woman caught in adultery… Yes, he was loving to her, but he also told her, go and sin no more. If a hooker showed up, would it be loving to not speak to her regarding what she is doing… Debasing her body and soul by engaging in sexual sin? You can love someone who is committing sin and try and explain to them that what they are doing, is not pleasing to God. You can be loving to someone and explain to them that we are to glorify God with our bodies… Which are temples of the Holy Spirit once we are saved.

You can't start a conversation on that. That will turn away almost any person.
Even in Medicine we have to address the immediate problem with solutions regardless of who they are.
In fact, addressing her major sin would most efficiently take a long time. God will decide when she has her "Ah ha!" moment

 

[Hekuran]

@MedicBravo is absolutely right. The likelihood is that anybody who is a sex worker has a long, long history of being condemned, insulted, abused and rejected.

The transformative message of the gospel is that Jesus is lord and he invites everybody into fellowship with God, no matter where they are coming from. But even that is probably too ambitious for an early conversation. First, is to demonstrate God's welcome by example - kindness, practical support, offer prayer, show generosity, give time, listen well, speak little.

Once you have built up trust, the best and simplest way to introduce the gospel message is to tell many stories about Jesus and to talk together about what they mean. Likely, when it comes to discussing sin, the main issue won't be conviction of sin, but release from shame and accepting forgiveness. Gently, gently.

I'm not an expert on sharing the gospel with sex workers or people with addictions, but a few of my missionary friends are, and this is some of what I've learned

 

[watertolive]

The sex worker is no different than one committing adultry.
It doesn't matter that law has given you a writing of divorcement, for what ever reason; it is still adultry in the eye of God if you take another or wife, or husband, and your first isn't dead.
Oh but that's ok?
No, it is not ok. Let's preach Sunday morning to the adulters in the congregation and see how many walk out.
A legal prostitute vs. an illegal prostitute....
Well there is a Sunday morning message.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. amen

 

[IamachildofGod4 ever]

One of the major problems with many of today’s churches is that they are afraid of offending anyone. They don’t stop to think of how offensive sin is to God. As we progress in our sanctification, we should be sinning less, but we will never be sinless as long as we are on the side of Heaven.
I do agree that when one is dealing with someone who is committing a sin, such as prostitution, adultery, theft, or any other sin, for that matter, and the person is unsaved, one must proceed with caution, and with above all, the love of Christ. But at some point in time, if that person is not convicted of their sin, and if they continue that sin, even after they have heard the gospel, then it is only the Holy Spirit that can change that person. Once their heart has become hardened to a certain point, God gives them up to their sin, just as He did with those who did what was right in their own eyes.

 

[IamachildofGod4 ever]

As Christians, we have to get over, thinking about being afraid of offending someone. I even had someone tell me one time that, since I am saved, I could become a Muslim, and still go to heaven.( and this person teaches Bible study in a “ church”) That denies Jesus own words when he said that if we deny Him, He will deny us before the Father. There is one way to Heaven and one-way only, and that is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

 

[Brother Paul]

The sex worker is no different than one committing adultry.
It doesn't matter that law has given you a writing of divorcement, for what ever reason; it is still adultry in the eye of God if you take another or wife, or husband, and your first isn't dead.
Oh but that's ok?
No, it is not ok. Let's preach Sunday morning to the adulters in the congregation and see how many walk out.
A legal prostitute vs. an illegal prostitute....
Well there is a Sunday morning message.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. amen

And do not forget ALL premarital fornication!

 

[Sue D.]

Aren't we sort of off topic. And no I'm not a moderator. And yes most of whar is being shared is true. And some is sad. The subject of Muslims came up. In this country they are not forced to wear the head to foot and sacrifice covering garb. But they still have their ways of living / worshipping. They worship Allah and we worship God. Maybe the modest dress of Godly people Will set us apart. And we Need to show respect for God's house with modesty. And cleanliness.

 

[IamachildofGod4 ever]

Aren't we sort of off topic. And no I'm not a moderator. And yes most of whar is being shared is true. And some is sad. The subject of Muslims came up. In this country they are not forced to wear the head to foot and sacrifice covering garb. But they still have their ways of living / worshipping. They worship Allah and we worship God. Maybe the modest dress of Godly people Will set us apart. And we Need to show respect for God's house with modesty. And cleanliness.

Amen to the modest dress of godly people. It is so sad that with social media, of which I am not a fan, even young girls, who profess to be Christians, exploit themselves by dressing, provocatively and , immodestly, and definitely not the way someone who loves the Lord should want to dress. I concur that when we go to the Lord’s house, we should have respect for the fact that we are in His house and dress accordingly. But when we are out in public and other places, we should do the same. That is what sets us apart from non-believers.

 

[PloughBoy]

It is a true saying" "Common sense is not Common any more" since that is so true, So still is "When Scripture makes Common sense, Seek no other Sense" and only a few, that know of "common Sense and walk, there in.

 

[IamachildofGod4 ever]

It is a true saying" "Common sense is not Common any more" since that is so true, So still is "When Scripture makes Common sense, Seek no other Sense" and only a few, that know of "common Sense and walk, there in.

The real problem is that there is moral relativism, and people, cherry pick the scripture instead of taking the whole counsel of God.
Case in point, and just one example… Who would’ve ever thought that we would live in a time when there are supposed to be 100 genders and it is legal to allow the mutilation of a child who claims to be another gender than what they were born.

God created male and female. There is only one definition of marriage… Between a man and a woman. Sadly, the Bible, in which God gives us our blueprint for living, has been replaced with whatever the culture thinks is right, but you know what… We can all take heart, because we know who wins in the end!

Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in His wonderful face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of His glory and grace. Maranatha!

 

[Sue D.]

@IamachildofGod4 ever -- very well stated.

 

[IamachildofGod4 ever]

@IamachildofGod4 ever -- very well stated.

Thank you, Sue. All glory to God… We know whose side we are on, and we know who will be victorious.