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Episcopal Church approves same-sex blessing rite

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I was on another website reading some articles and it linked me to usatoday's website. Some so called churches really do surprise me with the things that they do. How on earth can you bless a sin? This just baffles me. I think in this day and age, a lot of so called christians have become incredibly confused between showing love and accepting sin; or maybe a lot of churches are just becoming more rotten everyday that goes by Is it that they have stopped reading the Bible in these churches so do not know what God clearly states about this issue? I don't know, I am just...surprised at this. It seems like it is becoming ever so difficult to differentiate between the church and the world. This is serious desecration...I guess the tares are being gathered together.

I cannot post the link, so here is the article:


Episcopalians approved a churchwide ceremony Tuesday to bless same-sex couples, the latest decisive step toward accepting homosexuality by a denomination that nine years ago elected the first openly gay bishop.
At the Episcopal General Convention, which is divided into two voting bodies, about 80% of the House of Deputies voted to authorize a provisional rite for same-sex unions for the next three years. A day earlier, the House of Bishops approved the rites 111-41 with three abstentions during the church meeting in Indianapolis.
Supporters of the same-sex blessings insisted it was not a marriage ceremony despite any similarities. Called "The Witnessing and Blessing of a Lifelong Covenant," the ceremony includes prayers and an exchange of vows and rings. Same-sex couples must complete counseling before having their unions or civil marriages blessed by the church.

Other mainline Protestant churches have struck down barriers to gay ordination in recent years or allowed individual congregations to celebrate gay or lesbian unions. However, only one major U.S. Protestant group, the United Church of Christ, has endorsed same-sex marriage outright.
In a separate vote Monday, the full Episcopal convention approved new anti-discrimination language for transgendered people that cleared the way for transgendered clergy.
"I believe the Episcopal Church will continue to evolve on the issue of marriage equality and look forward to joining our UCC brothers and sisters in being a headlight instead of taillight on marriage equality," said the Rev. Susan Russell, an Episcopal priest and longtime gay advocate in the denomination.

Under the new policy, each Episcopal bishop will decide whether to allow the ceremonies in his or her local diocese. A provision dubbed a conscience clause bars any penalties for Episcopalians who oppose its use.
Six states and the District of Columbia have legalized gay marriage and three more states could do so this year, while 30 states have passed constitutional amendments limiting marriage to unions between a man and a woman.
Episcopalians had already blazed a trail — and caused an uproar — in 2003 by consecrating New Hampshire Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Anglican world. While Robinson went on to become a powerful symbol for gay rights, the Anglican communion began splintering, and has continued to do so ever since.
The New York-based Episcopal Church is the U.S. body of the 77 million-member Anglican Communion. Episcopal conservatives responded to Robinson's ordination by creating a rival denomination, the Anglican church in North America, under the guidance of like-minded Anglican leaders overseas. Anglican leaders had asked Episcopalians for a moratorium on electing another gay or lesbian bishop as the communion struggled to stay together. Episcopalians agreed, but three years ago voted to lift the temporary ban.
A spokeswoman for the leader of the Episcopal Church, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, said she would not comment Tuesday.

During the debate Tuesday, opponents argued that adopting an official liturgy amounted to an endorsement of same-sex marriage with no theological justification for doing so. Episcopal church law and Book of common prayer still define marriage as the union of a man and a woman.
"It is being seen as a marriage rite even though I was told that is not intended," said the Rev. Sharon Lewis, from the Diocese of Southwest Florida delegation.
The Rev. David Thurlow of the Diocese of South Carolina, which has withdrawn from some councils of the national church in protest of its theological direction, said the church was "marching off not only completely out of step with, but completely out of line with, the faith once delivered to the saints."
Yet, with the departure of many Episcopal conservatives from the denomination, even critics of the resolution acknowledged that they were unlikely to stop the measure.
In one of several emotional appeals for passage, Pete Ross, a lay delegate from the Diocese of Michigan, described an earlier hearing on same-sex blessings when a man spoke about his lifelong male partner, who had recently died.
"He told us the anniversary they celebrated in their relationship was when they signed their mortgage," Ross said, choking back tears. "It's time for our church to honor these lifelong commitments."
The official liturgy for same-sex blessings has been in development since 2009, when it was authorized by the last General Convention. Some bishops had already created rites for the ceremonies for use in their own dioceses. But the prayers approved Tuesday are the first such official prayers for use by the entire church, which claims just under 2 million members.
The liturgy can be used starting Dec. 2, the first Sunday in Advent.
 
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This is what the modern milquetoast, salt that has lost it's savor, church is all about, pandering to sin instead of exposing and rebuking it. Mustn't be controversial or upset anyone after all. When the world goes into the church instead of the church into the world all hell breaks loose.
 
The church doesn't have time to pamper the homosexuals. We need to be preaching the Word of God and reaching the world for Christ, not joining in with the latest "Gaga" phase.
 
Sadly what begins in Holy Ghost fire often ends in the corruption of man.. God moves on a people and there is fire in their souls. The kids do it because they saw mom and dad do it and soon it is mindless religion that has little or no connection with and absolutely 0 dependence on God. This work of the flesh stinks to heaven itself and will do nothing but continue to spiral down into darkness. Let us pray that minds and hearts be opened to a fresh move of God that He may breathe life into this rotting corpse.
 
Interesting. What is it about homosexuality that makes you believe it's a sin?

Why do you think it isn't?

It is listed with the vilest of sins in Romans 1:24-32 and the bible is clear that such that do those things will not enter the kingdom of God.

Revelation 22:15
For without (the kingdom) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever
loveth and maketh a lie.

Jude 7
1 Tim 1:9-10
Judges 19:22-23
 
Romance is only half of a Godly marriage; the other half is procreation, which, by God's design, can only happen between a man and a woman.

SLE
 
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I see. So inferitle couples shouldn't get married? Old couples shouldn't get married?

No one said that; the fact according to the word of God is that HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. Something that is not a sin will not prevent someone from the kingdom of God, but the bible says homosexuality does; hence it is a sin(an abomination in the sight of Jehovah). You can accept it or leave it, fact is that, you have heard it. It is in the bible in black and white to read. The truth is the truth, whether you like it or not. It aint gonna change because people don't like; it is still going to be the truth. I live my life based on a moral compass in which God and His words are my magnetic north. What people do is their business; as long as they know the word and choose to ignore it; they will have to explain to the Lord, not me or anyone else.
 
Well SpiritLedEd gave procreation as a reason that homomsexualiy is wrong hence my answer.

As for the bible do you avoid shellfish? Do you avoid having mixed fibers in yout clothes? Why are verses on homosexuality taken as culturaly revelvent today while so many other verses seem to no longer apply?
 
From the posts you have been leaving, I assume either you are not a Christian, or you claim to be a Christian but do not read your Bible, or something else. If you are a Christian, it is time for you to start reading your bible, old and new testament and ask the Holy spirit for guidance. Fact is unless you read the old testament, you will not fully grasp the new and unless you read the new you will not fully grasp the old. If you have been reading your bible, you will know about the old covenant and the new covenant. A lot of the leveticus laws were given to the Israelites of the time; God gave them those laws so that they could separate themselves from the pagan culture of the time. Now you can easily say "well we are not Israelites and those laws do not apply in modern day". In the new covenant, homosexuality is still a sin. Although in the times of moses, such a sin would result in the death of the people involved; according to the new covenant, the wages of sin is still death, but the sinners should not be killed because the price for their sins have already been paid. The blood of Jesus is more than sufficient to wash away all sins. Acts 13:38-39 "Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."

In addition to what I have said, I do not live my life based on what is culturally relevant or acceptable. If I did, I would be partaking in a lot of sinful activities, which in this day and age are "culturally acceptable and relevant".
 
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Well SpiritLedEd gave procreation as a reason that homomsexualiy is wrong hence my answer.

As for the bible do you avoid shellfish? Do you avoid having mixed fibers in yout clothes? Why are verses on homosexuality taken as culturaly revelvent today while so many other verses seem to no longer apply?

Procreation is an act that was designed by God for a male and female to do, which sodomites obviously cannot do; whereas, even if a straight couple is infertile they can still perform "the act" and have the necessary physical tools to do so. So your comparing sodomites with infertile straight couples is like comparing a car without gas in the tank to a car without an engine.

As to your other statements, you obviously are not knowledgeable at all about what the bible says and means and you are just kicking against the goads. JehovahDaughter said it right, that there were many ceremonial and other laws for Israel because God required them to be completely different from all the heathen nations around them, in dress, the foods they ate, the way they worshiped, interacted with each other, in everything. They were a special people to Him and He separated them to Himself from the nations.
 
Hello Strangederby. I see from your profile that you do not believe in God anymore. So I take it you are here to promote your new faith... perhaps atheism? Have you gotten any converts yet? I hope not, scripture speaks of people like that... calls them thiefs.... attempting to steal away the "FAITH" of believers. Because despite all of your logic, faith IS about believing in things unseen, and not easily proven by emperical methods, as thats the way God wants it. I suppose that frustrates you, and I suppose as well, that you pretend to be interested in faith so as to stay here as an acolyte to your own faith and gain converts? But thats all supposition of course. Are you able to answer any of those suppositions, or perhaps not?
 
It is not just the Episcopal church that allows a deviancy from the moral boundaries that our Creator, Jehovah God, established in the Garden of Eden.(Gen 2:24) A growing number who attends the churches of Christendom are following "after the crowd for evil ends" (Ex 23:2), either sanctifying same-sex marriages or by silence is compliant with them, just as the Church of Christ has deviated from the Scriptural guidelines of morality.

Jesus used the Greek por·nei´a twice in the book of Matthew.(Matt 5:32; 19:9) This Greek word, from which arises the English word pornography, is rightly translated as fornication. It has the meaning of illicit sex relations outside of Scriptural marriage.

Regarding the meanings of por·nei´a, B. F. Westcott in his book Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians (1906, p. 76) says: “This is a general term for all unlawful intercourse, (I) adultery: Hos. ii. 2, 4 (LXX.); Matt. v. 32; xix. 9; (2) unlawful marriage, I Cor. v. I; (3) fornication, the common sense as here [Eph 5:3].”

Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 693) defines por·nei´a as “prostitution, unchastity, fornication, of every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse.”

Porneia is understood to involve the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human or a beast), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) The unlawful act of a rapist is fornication, but, of course, that does not make the person who is forcibly raped also a fornicator.

At Matthew 19, in speaking with the Pharisees, Jesus reaffirmed the original standard of marriage, saying: "Did you not read (read where ? At Genesis 2:22-24) that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together let no man put apart.”(Matt 19:4-6)

However, due to the churches steering away from the Bible's moral boundaries, how does God feel about this ? The apostle Paul, seeing both lesbian and homosexuals throughout the Roman Empire, gave this godly counsel to the Christian congregation in Rome: "Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them....That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error."(Rom 1:24, 26, 27)

Thus, our Maker, Jehovah, has judged these ones who practice "such things as deserving of death ", "although these know full well the righteous decree of God."(Rom 1:32) The moral chasm between God's people and the "world", which includes the the churches of Christendom, is growing wider day by day.

The Episcopal church has obviously followed the path of the nation of Israel almost 700 years before Jesus came to the earth, for Jeremiah said: "Did they feel shame because it was something detestable that they had done? For one thing, they positively do not feel any shame; for another thing, they have not come to know even how to feel humiliated. Therefore they will fall among those who are falling; in the time that I must hold an accounting with them they will stumble,” Jehovah has said."(Jer 6:15)

For their both physical and spiritual fornication (Greek por·nei´a) "with the kings of the earth"(Rev 17:2), the churches of Christendom will suffer the same destiny as the nation of Israel experienced about 20 years later after Jehovah said this, for in 607 B.C.E., the Babylonians decimated the land of Israel.

Micah was inspired to write concerning the nation of unfaithful Israel: "Hear, please, this, you head ones of the house of Jacob and you commanders of the house of Israel, the ones detesting justice and the ones who make even everything that is straight crooked....yet upon Jehovah they keep supporting themselves, saying: “Is not Jehovah in the midst of us? There will come upon us no calamity.” Therefore on account of you men Zion will be plowed up as a mere field, and Jerusalem herself will become mere heaps of ruins, and the mountain of the house will be as the high places of a forest."(Micah 3:9, 11, 12)
 
There is the civil union in Germany for homosexuals. A marriage for homosexuals could be prevented with the help of God in Germany. I do not see the problem in the legal form of the relation; but in the legal appreciation of homosexuality. Whoever accepts homosexuality leaves the Bible, God and the moral standards. And is a follower of satan.
 
Well SpiritLedEd gave procreation as a reason that homomsexualiy is wrong hence my answer.

As for the bible do you avoid shellfish? Do you avoid having mixed fibers in yout clothes? Why are verses on homosexuality taken as culturaly revelvent today while so many other verses seem to no longer apply?

Do you refer to Leviticus? It is already true that the Mosaic law in which the levitical holiness code also is part, only applied to Jews. And is no longer valid for Christians. On the other hand God says here obviously that homosexuality is abominable.
Why does God say this through his prophet?
Would he annoys us; spoiling the life for us? No! He wants to protect us from leaving God. Homosexuality is a sin, a taboo which no Jew was allowed to hurt with impunity.
 
I was on another website reading some articles and it linked me to usatoday's website. Some so called churches really do surprise me with the things that they do. How on earth can you bless a sin? This just baffles me. I think in this day and age, a lot of so called christians have become incredibly confused between showing love and accepting sin; or maybe a lot of churches are just becoming more rotten everyday that goes by Is it that they have stopped reading the Bible in these churches so do not know what God clearly states about this issue? I don't know, I am just...surprised at this. It seems like it is becoming ever so difficult to differentiate between the church and the world. This is serious desecration...I guess the tares are being gathered together.

Well, JehovahDaughter, you may not be in favor of the current trend of normalizing same-sex relationships, but surely you can see the writing on the wall.
Our previous first lady, Laura Bush, who can hardly be characterized as a progressive liberal, recognized the changing attitudes towards homosexuals and urged the Republican Party to stop making it an election issue as she imagines this shift in attitudes to be irreversible. A majority of Americans are now in favor of extending the right to marry to gay people and this support is strongest among young people. More and more countries are legalizing gay marriage, and the same goes for the states in our country. As far as I can tell, the only places where anti-gay sentiments are still strong are the Muslim world, Russia and parts of Africa.

I suppose that some changes in the world around us may not be to one's liking, but continuing to hold on to mores that are perceived by an ever-increasing part of the populace to be outdated, cruel and unjust, does make one run the risk of becoming marginalized and perhaps even irrelevant.

Arnold
 
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Hello Strangederby. I see from your profile that you do not believe in God anymore. So I take it you are here to promote your new faith... perhaps atheism? Have you gotten any converts yet? I hope not, scripture speaks of people like that... calls them thiefs.... attempting to steal away the "FAITH" of believers.

Not at all. I don't wish to stop people believing in God. I just want to stop gay people being treated unjustly.

Because despite all of your logic, faith IS about believing in things unseen, and not easily proven by emperical methods, as thats the way God wants it. I suppose that frustrates you,

No it doesn't frustrate me. I'm just happy to keep on looking for evidence.

and I suppose as well, that you pretend to be interested in faith so as to stay here as an acolyte to your own faith and gain converts? But thats all supposition of course. Are you able to answer any of those suppositions, or perhaps not?

Atheism being what it is, (not believing) it's difficult to see it as connected with faith. And again I'm more than happy for people to be Christians. It's when Christians try to negatively affect the lives of others that I get involved.
 
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