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Do you think a person can keep themself from being polluted by the world without Prayer and Fasting? What does it mean to be Saved?
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Do you think a person can keep themself from being polluted by the world without Prayer and Fasting? What does it mean to be Saved?
Yes it is Christ whom works in us to both will and empower us to do his good pleause as a work of faith or labor of the father and Sons thier love.
@KingJ
Greetings,
I am encouraged that you are asking about this.
Usually lots of people have lots of advice, few actually practice what they preach, regarding fasting and one could get more bewildered than not, depending on the flow of conversation/interaction.
Please accept my feeble advice.... and do what is best... take it to the LORD in prayer...
from what you write here and also,
It takes some guts to write this about yourself on public forum. (don't get a big head about that, though!!)
Perhaps discover the reason you are fasting. What for? If it is for obedience, get right with the Lord about being an unworthy recipient of His Grace and remember the passage:
But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
Luke 17:7-10
Another point worthy of mention is from this passage:
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
1Corinthians 9:24-27
in which we can glean a little wisdom, that being, that an athlete, for example has the mind to do better, to achieve greater than before etc and so will undertake to get their body into better than the present, and at very least to maintain the level of fitness and endurance etc they have gained/achieved thus far.... but they do that so that they can reach the heights they are looking at, and as the passage suggests, to win the prize. It is about the competition ahead.
So, for you, what is your purpose of doing?
Do it for that purpose, that is, do so because of what you will gain, and forget about being proud because UNTIL you gain it, or obtain it, you have nothing to be proud about.... if that makes sense? BUT, may i also remind you that the Apostle also made sure to express that His only glory was in Christ, not Himself (get the hint?)
So, back to fasting... we read that Jesus told His disciples....
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Matthew 17:21
And He said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
Mark 9:29
and we see here that the fasting has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of self righteousness. It is for a purpose only, which if they desire to 'get results' they MUST do. So it is no glorifying matter but rather a must that must be done, end of story.
[note that there was no set time frame here for the duration, so please don't try to keep time but remember that your fast is for a particular reason, and here, to assist the praying, if i might submit]
If a person kidnapped your child and demanded that you do not eat for two days or they will finish the child off (God forbid), I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that you would do it and there would be ZERO self righteousness about it.
In other places we read of those fasting and that, accompanying prayer.
May i suggest that if one is so intent on praying, that they really engage in prayer, that they do so to the depth that food is of no consequence nor the absence of it. To get so much into the reason for praying that stopping for a lunch break and then resuming is not an option or even a thought, but contrary to that, a definite No No.... I am praying.. I have no time or interest in filling my tummy with goodies nor my taste buds with delight.
In the OLD Testament, people fasted often in a dual with repentance before the LORD and they were meant to mean it. That is something also that one may fast now... but again, the fasting part has no significance to the repentance and therefore as far as repentance goes, no glorying in self righteousness, either.
chew that all over and take it to the Lord in prayer, Brother.
and one other thing... food is only a way to maintain life, yes? Will you die if you don't eat for a short part of your life? No. But eating is done for a purpose, when you think of it. We tend to be creatures of habit so i encourage you to take the leap of faith and say no to your urges and get into the reason for the season of your fast and with that in mind and focus, your need to 'feel good' about your efforts will grow faintly dim!
But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
check out the passage this is from in Matthew Chapter 4
You, indeed, have made my days as handbreadths, and my lifetime as nothing before You. Truly each man at his best exists as but a breath.
Selah
Psalm 39:5
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
John 1:4
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies.
John 11:25
Bless you ....><>
Brother, put this in your fast schedule and keep reminding yourself until you get the overcoming.....
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Galatians 6:14
amen
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: but let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth Me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 9:23-24
Greetings,
How often do you guys fast? Is it necessary? Is it a way to get closer to God?
I cannot shake a self righteous feeling when fasting.
I am truly battling with this. I want to grow closer to God, but don't feel fasting is a way.
I am encouraged that you are asking about this.
Usually lots of people have lots of advice, few actually practice what they preach, regarding fasting and one could get more bewildered than not, depending on the flow of conversation/interaction.
Please accept my feeble advice.... and do what is best... take it to the LORD in prayer...
from what you write here and also,
it appears that the real problem is not fasting?
I cannot shake a self righteous feeling when fasting
I am truly battling with this.
It takes some guts to write this about yourself on public forum. (don't get a big head about that, though!!)
Perhaps discover the reason you are fasting. What for? If it is for obedience, get right with the Lord about being an unworthy recipient of His Grace and remember the passage:
But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
Luke 17:7-10
Another point worthy of mention is from this passage:
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
1Corinthians 9:24-27
in which we can glean a little wisdom, that being, that an athlete, for example has the mind to do better, to achieve greater than before etc and so will undertake to get their body into better than the present, and at very least to maintain the level of fitness and endurance etc they have gained/achieved thus far.... but they do that so that they can reach the heights they are looking at, and as the passage suggests, to win the prize. It is about the competition ahead.
So, for you, what is your purpose of doing?
Do it for that purpose, that is, do so because of what you will gain, and forget about being proud because UNTIL you gain it, or obtain it, you have nothing to be proud about.... if that makes sense? BUT, may i also remind you that the Apostle also made sure to express that His only glory was in Christ, not Himself (get the hint?)
So, back to fasting... we read that Jesus told His disciples....
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Matthew 17:21
And He said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
Mark 9:29
and we see here that the fasting has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of self righteousness. It is for a purpose only, which if they desire to 'get results' they MUST do. So it is no glorifying matter but rather a must that must be done, end of story.
[note that there was no set time frame here for the duration, so please don't try to keep time but remember that your fast is for a particular reason, and here, to assist the praying, if i might submit]
If a person kidnapped your child and demanded that you do not eat for two days or they will finish the child off (God forbid), I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that you would do it and there would be ZERO self righteousness about it.
In other places we read of those fasting and that, accompanying prayer.
May i suggest that if one is so intent on praying, that they really engage in prayer, that they do so to the depth that food is of no consequence nor the absence of it. To get so much into the reason for praying that stopping for a lunch break and then resuming is not an option or even a thought, but contrary to that, a definite No No.... I am praying.. I have no time or interest in filling my tummy with goodies nor my taste buds with delight.
In the OLD Testament, people fasted often in a dual with repentance before the LORD and they were meant to mean it. That is something also that one may fast now... but again, the fasting part has no significance to the repentance and therefore as far as repentance goes, no glorying in self righteousness, either.
chew that all over and take it to the Lord in prayer, Brother.
and one other thing... food is only a way to maintain life, yes? Will you die if you don't eat for a short part of your life? No. But eating is done for a purpose, when you think of it. We tend to be creatures of habit so i encourage you to take the leap of faith and say no to your urges and get into the reason for the season of your fast and with that in mind and focus, your need to 'feel good' about your efforts will grow faintly dim!
But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
check out the passage this is from in Matthew Chapter 4
You, indeed, have made my days as handbreadths, and my lifetime as nothing before You. Truly each man at his best exists as but a breath.
Selah
Psalm 39:5
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
John 1:4
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies.
John 11:25
Bless you ....><>
Brother, put this in your fast schedule and keep reminding yourself until you get the overcoming.....
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Galatians 6:14
amen
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: but let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth Me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 9:23-24
quick temporary note,
this thread has been heavily pruned BUT, fear not!
posts that were after this one are now in a thread of their own, where you can go and continue what you had going.
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@KingJ
i have closed this thread for a couple of days until everyone involved gets used to the idea of the new thread.
Several pages that were not in relation to your thread and questions.... unless you like stretching and squeezing between rocks and hard places!
Bless you ....><>
this thread has been heavily pruned BUT, fear not!
posts that were after this one are now in a thread of their own, where you can go and continue what you had going.
What does it mean to be saved?
Fine, Go ahead kill, commit adultery, steal, lie, be homosexual, let me know how that works out for you. 1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor...
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@KingJ
i have closed this thread for a couple of days until everyone involved gets used to the idea of the new thread.
Several pages that were not in relation to your thread and questions.... unless you like stretching and squeezing between rocks and hard places!
Bless you ....><>
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