Genesis 1:27

[DanV]

Thanks you DanV for posting that and doing a study on this too. That was very informative and has given me a much clearer picture on all things. I understand it much better now, as I read all the scriptures that was quoted in your above post.

I carried on reading upto chapter 6

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

If God was grieved what was going on in those days, its probably breaking His heart seeing what’s happening down here now and today. It certainly breaks my heart.

God Bless you

Let's continue on, if you like, with The Book of the Generations of Adam - Genesis 5:1 to 6:8; the 3rd document composing the book of Genesis as indicated below:

The age-old Hebrew and Christion tradition is that Moses, guided of God, composed Genesis out of ancient documents existent in his day. The book closes something like 300 years before Moses. Moses could have gotten this information only by direct revelation from God, or through such historical records as had been handed down from his forefathers.

Opening with the "Creation Hymn," there are then given ten "Books of Generations" which constitute the framework of Genesis. It seems that they were incorporated bodily by Moses, with such additions and explanations as he may have been guided of God to make. These eleven documents are as follows:

"Creation Hymn" - Genesis 2:1--2:3

"The Generations of the Heaven and Earth - Genesis 2:4--4:26

"The Generations of Adam" - Genesis 5:1--6:8

These documents may have been started by Adam, continued by Enoch and Methuselah, and completed by Noah. Copies of The Generations of Adam and the two previous documents may have been made by Noah on clay tablets, and buried, as the tradition says: [Copies may have been taken into the Ark).
"Until recent years it was commonly believed that Writing was unknown in the early days of Old Testament history. This was one of the bases of the modern critical theory that some of the Old Testament books were written long After the events they describe, thus embodying only Oral Tradition. But now the spade of the archaeologist has revealed that WRITTEN records of important events were made from the dawn of history."

Genealogy from Adam to Noah - Genesis 5

Their ages are listed as follows: Adam, 930 years, Seth, 912 years, Enosh, 905 years, Kenan, 910 years, Mahalalel, 895 years, Jared, 962 years, Enoch, 365 years, Methuselah, 969 years, Lamech, 777 years, Noah, 950 years.
The Great Age to which they lived is ordinarily explained on the theory that Sin had only begun its malign influence on the race.

Figures in this chapter, with Genesis 6:6, indicate that there were 1656 years between Creation of Man and the Flook. Some think that, inasmuch as this genealogy, and that in chapter 11, each have 10 generations, they may be abbreviated, as that of Jesus in Matthew 1. But the formula, "lived--years, and begat--," is against such a theory.

Enoch - Genesis 5:21-24

He was the Best of Them. In a society of unspeakable wickedness, he "walked with God." Born 622 years after the creation of Adam, he was contemporary with Adam 308 years. "God took him" 69 years before the birth of Noah, while he was only 365. The one other to be thus Translated, without having to die, was Elijah - 2 Kings 2: Enoch and Elijah, perhaps, being intended of God to be a sort of fore-picture of the happy fate of the saints who will still be in the flesh when the Lord Returns - 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
The New Testament refers to a Prophecy of Enoch - Jude 14,15

Methuselah - Genesis 5:25-26.

He was the Oldest of the ten (969 years), son of Enoch. His life overlapped that of Adam by 243 years and that of Shem by 98 years, thus forming a connecting link between the Garden of Eden and the Post-Flood. He died the year of the Flood.

Pre-Flood Wickedness - Genesis 6:1-8

The "sons of God" - Genesis 6:2 are thought to have been either fallen angels, to which there may be reference in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6, or leaders in Sethite families who intermarried with godless descendants of Cain. These abnormal marriages, whatever they were, filled the earth with corruption and violence.

Jesus regarded the Flood as an Historical Fact, and likened the time of His Coming Again to the days of Noah - Matthew 24:37-39. What is going on in the world at the present time, makes us wonder, if, even now, those days may be returning.

The "120 years" - Genesis 6:3 seems to mean reduced span of life.

God Bless

 

[Amen!]

I posted #19 before realizing #18 had been posted, so I must say there is no longer two different points of view. Praise God for your your change of heart, Dan! It's so exciting to witness God at work.

God bless you!
Word of Life, God bless you and your studies as well.

Amen!

 

[DanV]

I posted #19 before realizing #18 had been posted, so I must say there is no longer two different points of view. Praise God for your your change of heart, Dan! It's so exciting to witness God at work.
God bless you!
Word of Life, God bless you and your studies as well.
Amen!

I would not call it a "change of heart" just an amplification and detailed explanation of what I believed to begin with.

God Bless

 

[BecuzHeLives]

that Man was created "Male and Female He created them."

Hi guys, this just told you that God created Male and Female. Another way to think is God created mankind. This doesn't say he created another female and fell that she's not good enough. Basically this verse said we have male and female and God created both of them. Then Genesis went on to give you a more depict description of how he created a female.

God Blesses all,
Quoc Thinh

 

[Amen!]

mg:

Originally posted by DanV:
Evidently, the Female that was created in Genesis 1:27 was not a "comparable helper" for Man. That is when, God, made His second creation of Woman by "taking one of Adam's ribs, and then closing up the flesh in its place.

Originally posted by DanV:
It seems that this "woman" was now more "comparable" to Man then the "Female" created in Genesis 1:27

Originally posted by DanV:
Genesis 2:7: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
This is where the Man [Adam] arrives on the scene.

Originally posted by DanV:
previous creations, by God, of man [male and female]

Please, Dan, tell me how the statements you made are amplified or justified by the article you posted from ChristianAnswers in post #18. The article completely supports Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and the father and mother of all humankind. That's why I thought you had had a change of heart.

Originally posted by DanV:
The core of the creation account is that the human soul is immediately created by God. Adam and Eve were not referred to in the sixth day creation account of Genesis 1, nor was Eden established until Genesis 2--after the seven days of creation had ended.
Does that make sense so far?

No, Adam and Eve were not referred to by name in the sixth day of the Creative account of Genesis 1, but the "them" that Gen 1:27 refers to is Adam (male &) and Eve (female made He them.)

Originally posted by DanV:
At Genesis 2:7, God formed Adam, who is distinguished, it seems, from the generic man referred to in the sixth day - Genesis 1:28, by breathing life into him. God's breathing life into him such that he became a living being [soul] - Genesis 2:7.
Can we all agree on this, or not?

Not. Adam is in no way distinguished from the man created in Gen 1. And what do you mean "generic man"? If the article you posted from ChristianAnswers establishes that all mankind are descendants of Adam, how can there be a generic man created before Adam? What were these "male and female humans created before Adam" if they didn't receive the breath of life from God that made Adam a living being?

Originally posted by DanV:
Other humans may have lived in the world prior to and during the lives of Adam and Eve. If not, then how do you explain the plural form at Genesis 1:27, "them." Its either "them" male and female, or "them" many males and females.
Are we together on that? I didn't say agree, just together.

The article you posted describes humans descended from Adam and Eve, but makes no mention of humans prior to Adam and Eve. As the article insinuates, if there were humans prior to A&E, they would have to be a different race (a better word here might be "species") as distinguised from Adam by the giving of the breath of life.

Originally posted by DanV:
Another problem is that if no other humans lived in the world during the time of Adam and Eve's fall, then the only way the male offspring of Adam and Eve could have begotten children was via incest with their mother, Eve.

...Or Eve's daughters. The article offers an explanation as to why this would not be considered incest. Scripture also clearly tells us that the father of all mankind begat Cain and Abel after the fall and expulsion from the garden. We know this because Scriptures tell us that ALL men are born in Adam's original sin. If God created a man in His image before Adam, they would have to be perfect men who weren't affected by Adam's disobedience because they were not begotten of Adam. Wouldn't you say? Why then, if this were true, would we need Jesus to live a perfect life and die for us?

Originally posted by DanV:
Furthermore, how would we explain Genesis 5:1-2, where it says, "This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man. He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed "them" and called "them" Mankind in the day they were created."

KJV: Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

5:2 Male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." Here there is no distinction made between the terms "created" and "formed".


I would like to ask just one final question before I give this a rest. In what way would the creation of a "generic man prior to Adam" fit into God's purpose? I would never presume to suggest that anything God did was a waste of time, but if ALL mankind descends from Adam, and ALL of God's Creation was good, where does the "generic man" fit into this theme? Of what use were they? I mean, every created thing, the earth, the heavens, the plant life, the animal life, mankind descended from Adam plays a role in God's purpose, but some form of man who isn't descended from Adam and didn't have the breath of life breathed into him was created because....? If we're to rely on logic, where is the logic in the concept of "generic man"? And why doesn't this theory deny the perfection of God's omniscience?

My apologies for the length of this post. My apologies also for any derrogatory tone that might be gleaned from my post. My motive really is only to share what I believe or be shown where I have erred. God bless.

Amen!

 

[DanV]

I would not call it a "change of heart" just an amplification and detailed explanation of what I believed to begin with.
God Bless

The article in "ChristianAnswers" has a lot of truth in it. It "amplifies" and "details" another point of view; of which borders on a lot of "what I believe."
God Bless

 

[DanV]

that Man was created "Male and Female He created them."
Hi guys, this just told you that God created Male and Female. Another way to think is God created mankind. This doesn't say he created another female and fell that she's not good enough. Basically this verse said we have male and female and God created both of them. Then Genesis went on to give you a more depict description of how he created a female.
God Blesses all,
Quoc Thinh

Another point of view.

Your right. What God creates or forms is "very good."

Right again. God describes. in Genesis 2:21, 22, how he "made into a woman" the "rib" he took from Adam. Very descriptive.

God Bless

 

[Amen!]

Please, just consider the points I've made. I will leave you both to your discussion now. Thank you for being patient with me. God bless you all.
Amen!
ps....I just edited post #25. Beginning with the section that starts "...or Eve's daughters." Please read it again, Dan.

 

[jiggyfly]

The article in "ChristianAnswers" has a lot of truth in it. It "amplifies" and "details" another point of view; of which borders on a lot of "what I believe."
God Bless

Whatever,LOL.

 

[DanV]

Originally Posted by DanV
I would not call it a "change of heart" just an amplification and detailed explanation of what I believed to begin with.
God Bless
The article in "ChristianAnswers" has a lot of truth in it. It "amplifies" and "details" another point of view; of which borders on a lot of "what I believe."
God Bless

That completes my input to Genesis 1:27.
Continuation of Genesis in another thread.
God Bless

 

[Chad]

Amen! hit the nail on the head and rebuked you Dan by the power of the LIVING WORD. DanV, you are preaching some false things here. That is not welcomed. Humility is welcomed however.

Other humans may have lived in the world prior to and during the lives of Adam and Eve. If not, then how do you explain the plural form at Genesis 1:27, "them." Its either "them" male and female, or "them" many males and females.
Are we together on that? I didn't say agree, just together.

How could you possibly think that when Genesis made it so *basically* clear that Adam was the first man ever created. Are you serious?

Matthew Henry's Commentary:

Man created in the image of God.

Man was made last of all the creatures: this was both an honour and a favour to him. Yet man was made the same day that the beasts were; his body was made of the same earth with theirs; and while he is in the body, he inhabits the same earth with them. God forbid that by indulging the body, and the desires of it, we should make ourselves like the beasts that perish! Man was to be a creature different from all that had been hitherto made. Flesh and spirit, heaven and earth, must be put together in him. God said, to � Let us make man. to � Man, when he was made, was to glorify the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Into that great name we are baptized, for to that great name we owe our being.

It is the soul of man that especially bears God's image. Man was made upright, Ec 7:29. His understanding saw Divine things clearly and truly; there were no errors or mistakes in his knowledge; his will consented at once, and in all things, to the will of God. His affections were all regular, and he had no bad appetites or passions. His thoughts were easily brought and fixed to the best subjects. Thus holy, thus happy, were our first parents in having the image of God upon them. But how is this image of God upon man defaced! May the Lord renew it upon our souls by his grace! (Ge 1:29)

Additional Commentary
27. So God created man The reiterated mention of the image of God is not a vain repetition. For it is a remarkable instance of the Divine goodness which can never be sufficiently proclaimed. And, at the same time, he admonishes us from what excellence we have fallen, that he may excite in us the desire of its recovery. When he soon afterwards adds, that God created them male and female, he commends to us that conjugal bond by which the society of mankind is cherished. For this form of speaking, God created man, male and female created he them, is of the same force as if he had said, that the man himself was incomplete.

Under these circumstances, the woman was added to him as a companion that they both might be one, as he more clearly expresses it in the second chapter. Malachi also means the same thing when he relates, (Genesis 2:15,) that one man was created by God, whilst, nevertheless, he possessed the fullness of the Spirit. 95 For he there treats of conjugal fidelity, which the Jews were violating by their polygamy. For the purpose of correcting this fault, he calls that pair, consisting of man and woman, which God in the beginning had joined together, one man , in order that every one might learn to be content with his own wife.