Global Warming and Revelation 11:18

[Tonyb]

Hello Folks,

Has anyone any thoughts on global warming? There is a little verse in the book of Revelation about those who destroy the earth being judged by God. Revelation 11:18.

At the present rate of global warming we could lose many of the worlds capitals including Washinton, New York and Boston to the sea. Extreme weather could make parts of the world virtually uninhabitable – THIS IS AREADY HAPPENING – droughts are becoming more frequent as are violent storms. The potential for loss of life and property is enormous.
This makes the dangers posed by Islamic terrorist look shall change in comparison.

Blessings,

Tonyb

 

[Chad]

Revelation 11:18

18The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth."

I do not see anything that has to do with natural disasters or such in the above verse you referrenced. Please point tihs out.

Matthew Henry's Commentary: Revelation 11

Michael and his angels fight against the devil and his angels, who are defeated.

In the time of treading down, God kept his faithful witnesses to attest the truth of his word and worship, and the excellence of his ways, The number of these witnesses is small, yet enough. They prophesy in sackcloth. It shows their afflicted, persecuted state, and deep sorrow for the abominations against which they protested. They are supported during their great and hard work, till it is done. When they had prophesied in sackcloth the greatest part of 1260 years, antichrist, the
great instrument of the devil, would war against them, with force and violence for a time.

Determined rebels against the light rejoice, as on some happy event, when they can silence, drive to a distance, or destroy the faithful servants of Christ, whose doctrine and conduct torment them. It does not appear that the term is yet expired, and the witnesses are not a present exposed to endure such terrible outward sufferings as in former times; but such things may again happen, and there is abundant cause to prophesy in sackcloth, on account of the state of religion.

The depressed state of real Christianity may relate only to the western church. The Spirit of life from God, quickens dead souls, and shall quicken the dead bodies of his people, and his dying interest in the world. The revival of God's work and witnesses, will strike terror into the souls of his enemies. Where there is guilt, there is fear; and a persecuting spirit, though cruel, is a cowardly spirit. It will be no
small part of the punishment of persecutors, both in this world, and at the great day, that they see the faithful servants of God honoured and advanced.

The Lord's witnesses must not be weary of suffering and service, nor hastily grasp at the reward; but must stay till their Master calls them. The consequence of their being thus exalted was a mighty shock and convulsion in the antichristian empire. Events alone can show the meaning of this. But whenever God's work and witnesses revive, the
devil's work and witnesses fall before him. And that the slaying of the witnesses is future, appears to be probable. (Rev 11:14-19)

 

[Tonyb]

Hi Chad, I'll write a full replay in due time, but I'm going to have to do some research first. The part of the prophecy I'd like to draw people attention to is: NIV Verse 18 The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead,... ... and for destroying those who destroy the earth."

As you say it has nothing to do with natural disasters, but does have every thing to do with man made disasters. Those who are destroying the earth, land, territory, are men. They are doing this largely through carbon emission's, green house gasses etc. I have an idea that all this may tie in with the mother of harlots, and those who are destroying the earth are her children. It would certainly seem to be a form of harlotry in the sense that the earth and many of the people of the earth are being destroyed for financial gain. If this does indeed prove to be true, there is nothing more despicable than that.

Tonyb

 

[7anthony]

All the Really Smart People--Global Warming

All the really smart people believe in man-made global warming.
Smart people believe in evolution too. Some of them also believe in God but certainly not one of them believes that men and dinosaurs lived together. Remember the laughs the smart people in politics and the media got out of Alaska governor Sarah Palin’s comments that she believed that man and dinosaurs had interacted? Maybe she could see dinosaurs from her back porch?

s8intcom blogger

 

[Laudite]

I think global warming is a serious problem that has profound moral aspects to it. I'd identify those aspects as massive human suffering. I don't know about that revelations quotation. It might be relevant, but I don't think that's the main thrust of what St. John was speaking of. Anyhow, I do think there's a theological aspect to the problems of global warming. Truly if on the last day we will answer Christ as to why we did not give him (and the least of these) water when He was thirsty. I should think there will be a much harder question about how we sat by and allowed billions of His brothers and sisters to die of thirst because we did not wish to change the least aspect of our decadent lives. Perhaps that is why it is so hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[7anthony]

All the Smart People...

The point of the article on s8intcom blogger: All the Really Smart People Believe in Global Warming--which you can find using Google since I couldn't post links is; in the 1970's scientists were also sounding the alarm about the dire consequences of Global Temperature change--only the change was in the other direction--all the way through as late as 1977, scientists were sure that we were heading for an ice-age-spurred on because of man-made pollution.

This ice age would they warned cause untold starvation and hardship across the planet. Some scientists in the NY Times even speculated that pollution might be the only thing to save us from an ice age (by heating upthe planet)

The point--don't listen to consensus science and 2) the world will end with global warming all right--the elements will melt with fervent heat...

 

[Hekuran]

The point--don't listen to consensus science and 2) the world will end with global warming all right--the elements will melt with fervent heat...

If I understand you correctly, the gist of your argument is that because the scientific community got something wrong in the past, we should disregard everything that scientists say.

Surely it would be better to examine critically what scientists say, and to weigh up the evidence as best we can.

The body of evidence for human activity as a cause for global warming is impressive, and new evidence is being added all the time.

How the world will end is not relevant to this discussion. We do not know when Christ will return. In the meantime it is our collective responsibility to care for all of God's creation.

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

The body of evidence for human activity as a cause for global warming is impressive, and new evidence is being added all the time.

It is pure arrogant, audacious, egotistical, and self righteous folly to suppose we, as human beings ..in
all our collective creative intellect and creations that have been made, can affect the planet 1 iota of difference
in global warming/climate change as scientists say.

The eruption of Mt Krakatoa, the meteor which hit the yucatan peninsula, and the big gigantic orb in
the sky called the sun, have a trillion more times more impact on the earth than anything
man in his arrogant thinking can imagine he can do.


BTW.. did you know the ice caps on Mars have been shrinking..
........ or the now three storms on Jupiter, instead of just one ..which scientists say
is because the planet has been warming..


But that's probably our fault too



LoJ

 

[Giggles4God]

I can't find it right now...but isn't there a place in the Bible where it says that it is GOD not man who will destroy the earth...as in the globe...in natural disasters...etc?

 

[jari]

hello

I can't find it right now...but isn't there a place in the Bible where it says that it is GOD not man who will destroy the earth...as in the globe...in natural disasters...etc?

This verse, sister?

2Pe 3:10 KJVA But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[Hekuran]

The eruption of Mt Krakatoa, the meteor which hit the yucatan peninsula, and the big gigantic orb in the sky called the sun, have a trillion more times more impact on the earth than anything man in his arrogant thinking can imagine he can do.

Volcanic activity puts out about 0.15 Gigatonnes of carbon a year, compared to about 7 Gigatonnes per year of human related sources.

Of course the sun's warmth is the greatest factor in the Earth's climate. The higher concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere holds in more of the Sun's energy, increasing the temperature of the earth.

The world will end when Jesus returns. Until that happens we remain God's appointed stewards of his creation. Genesis 2:15.

 

[Fellowservant]

hello



This verse, sister?

2Pe 3:10 KJVA But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Amen jari i like this scripture, even though Amill teachings take it literally and in its order. John in the book of revelation gives us the order of events as it should be used. Amills use this passage of scripture as their proof text, for no future millennial reign of Christ.

This is just a figure of speech by Peter as he seen it in his time. Correct in every way, but not in order of events. This is how many prophecies appear, but we cant just leave it at that, or we end up contradicting Johns revelation of the order of these events in rev 19 to 21.

God bless

 

[7anthony]

All The Really Smart People...

Hekuran wrote:

"If I understand you correctly, the gist of your argument is that because the scientific community got something wrong in the past, we should disregard everything that scientists say.

Surely it would be better to examine critically what scientists say, and to weigh up the evidence as best we can."

Well no, Hekuran, it is not that "the scientific community got something wrong in the past" that concerns me--it is that they got this specific thing wrong in the past; global temperature change. That "past" is less than 45 years ago--a fraction of this planets life whether you believe it is several thousand or several billion years ago.

No, science got it wrong-and raised the same kind of dire global warnings that they are raising today. Now, maybe you were already aware that just a short time ago science was warning us about "global cooling" but I doubt that many people were.

That understanding may or may not change your view of the science today, but certainly it deserves to be considered along with all the other evidence.

My further point is that Christians should have a different view of consensus science than others' since it is the consensus that; God didn't create the universe; that animals weren't created after their own kinds and that it was good; scientific consensus says that one can't rise from the dead; scientific consensus says that the universe is billions of years old etc.. etc..

Given all that, I have to put that into the mix when I consider their views on global warming.

Now, science is correct and has been correct about many things but if I read it in the Bible I say; "okay" or amen, and if I read it in a science book, I say "let's see".

 

[Boanerges]

All the really smart people believe in man-made global warming.
Smart people believe in evolution too. Some of them also believe in God but certainly not one of them believes that men and dinosaurs lived together. Remember the laughs the smart people in politics and the media got out of Alaska governor Sarah Palin’s comments that she believed that man and dinosaurs had interacted? Maybe she could see dinosaurs from her back porch?

s8intcom blogger

There are many scientists who do not believe in evolution. As for global warming that has been disproved. There are a lot of smart people who do not agree with you. There is a definite prejudice against these people in their fields and it costs them dearly to make themselves known.

That blatant anti God attitude can be seen in this transcript of an actual conversation between Richard Dawkins and Ben Stein:
Himself - Host: What do think is the possibility that there then, intelligent design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics... or in evolution?
Richard Dawkins: Well... it could come about in the following way: it could be that uh, at some earlier time somewhere in the universe a civilization e-evolved... by probably by some kind of Darwinian means to a very very high level of technology and designed a form of life that they seeded onto... perhaps this... this planet. Um, now that is a possibility. And uh, an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the um, at the detail... details of our chemistry molecular biology you might find a signature of some sort of designer.
Himself - Host: [ voice over] Wait a second. Richard Dawkins thought intelligent design might be a legitimate pursuit?
Richard Dawkins: Um, and that designer could well be a higher intelligence from elsewhere in the universe. But that higher intelligence would itself would have to come about by some explicable or ultimately explicable process. It couldn't have just jumped into existence spontaneously. That's the point.
Himself - Host: [ voice over] So professor Dawkins was not against intelligent design, just certain types of designers. Such as God.

As far as ridiculing Governor Palin for her faith it is in poor taste. Biblical accounts of dinosaurs and man aside human and dino prints have been found in the same strata in Glennrose Texas. The Creation Evidence Museum is the home of those prints.

 

[Hekuran]

This will be the last post I make arguing a scientific point on this thread. The claims of a scientific consensus on global cooling in the 1970s are a little exaggerated. Scientists were taking note that global temperatures had dropped for a couple of decades.

Popular interest in this was sparked by a three years of unusual weather in the early 70s. If there was any consensus among scientists, it was that the worlds climate was moving. There was not consensus about whether temperatures were rising or falling.

The following, as an example, was published in 1975

Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?
Wallace S. Broecker 1

1 Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and Department of Geological Sciences, Columbia University, Palisades, New York 10964

If man-made dust is unimportant as a major cause of climatic change, then a strong case can be made that the present cooling trend will, within a decade or so, give way to a pronounced warming induced by carbon dioxide. By analogy with similar events in the past, the natural climatic cooling which, since 1940, has more than compensated for the carbon dioxide effect, will soon bottom out. Once this happens, the exponential rise in the atmospheric carbon dioxide content will tend to become a significant factor and by early in the next century will have driven the mean planetary temperature beyond the limits experienced during the last 1000 years.​

If in years to come a better explanation for the rise in global temperatures is found, then I'll be willing to change my mind.

For now it is clear that the world's temperatures are rising, and by far the most likely explanation is that the principal cause is the greenhouse effect from human emissions.

Surely the wise, responsible and just thing to do is to cut our consumption of the earths resources, and to choose a simpler lifestyle.

 

[asking]

We believe the following and you can read here:

baptistcreationcare.org/node/1

 

[BlessedLady]

My thoughts on global warming are this.....Tons of people (even Christians) are trying to save the world from Global warming, by going green.
However, the Bible shows that the world as we know it will be destroyed.
So there is no need to go green to save what cannot be saved.

And i think that we as Christians should examen ourselves when we want to join in the quest to save the world by going green.
We have the knowledge that the world CANNOT be saved, because God will destroy it.


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[Giggles4God]

Yes, Jari, that's the one.

Sure, we shouldn't abuse animals and such, but we CANNOT destroy what God will do. He has created this universe and He will do what He wills. No human can destroy it. Sounds really crazy to me...to believe I can somehow destroy what God created...

I can however kill me...but to me that's different. God gave us freewill. I'll look after what I can and not get all 'bent out of shape' about something I can't change or do something about.

*jumps off the soap box and runs*

 

[asking]

Matthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

Matthew 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.


Please remember that our father creates and protects the innocent. As far as destroying, we can do that all by ourselves since the original sin. Be careful when you don't think you matter in the decision to protect God's creation.

Again please refer to what many in the Southern Baptist have concluded about this. No need for me to repeat what they said. You can read it in the post I left before.

My Brothers and Sisters, open you heart and follow Jesus's lead, help each other and honor his creation (that means, stop destroying it).

The opposite of arrogance (I can't destroy, etc) is to be humble and ask forgiveness and begin today to make a difference around you.

Be that good shepherd that in Matthew, Jesus talked about.

 

[eddieb]

in certian parts of the world its getting colder too. i can hear the song in my head.... He's got the whole world in his hands.

1 thess 5:16 rejoice evermore.