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Yes but not today. There will be angels ministering then as well. But not today
God's Frustration With Christians
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Greetings in the Lord
Well there is this...Jesus said...Luke 16:16
All praise glory and honor be unto God Amen
Prophets were a position In the early church consisting of specific functions dealing with specific issues. When most people think of prophets they associate them with the major and minor prophets of the Old Testament or Jesus and his apostles like John the Revelator of the New Testament. In the Old Testament prophets spoke forth' God's will for Israel and His people. People associate prophets with predicting the future because that's mostly what we read in the bible. In the Early New Testament Church that wasn't the case. The position of prophet was to speak forth God's will for the early New Testament church. The message came from God the Holy Spirit, and the prophets were often in exile.
Other than what we read in the Old and New Testament books, the Didache is the authority on the office of the prophets.
In the NT church prophets went from church to church 'telling forth' God's Will for the establishment of the that church. They were 'wandering prophets' as they really had no place to live. They were only meant to stay for no more than a few days, had no family, had no place to live, and were not allowed to receive any money. The position was often abused as they often extended their stay and accepted money and lived large at the expense of the congregation. There were no prophets between the Testaments and John the Baptist is actually considered the last OT prophet. And there were no prophets after the New Testament church was established.
Like Apostles, NT prophets became 'obsolete' in the sense that after the church was established and the foundation was laid they were no longer necessary.
In conclusions,
Apostles and prophets were the foundation of the emerging New Testament church. Apostles were at the top of the church hierarchy and prophets were second.
Today we are disciples, have deacons, and are able to prophesy, but that in no way makes us prophets.
Luke 16:15-16 And he said unto them, ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Ephesians 3:5 says that the mystery concerning the church has been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets through the Holy Spirit which indicates that these roles were fulfilled in the first century, and do not continue today.
Ephesians 2:19-20 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5-6 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
There have only been a few dozen (or so) prophets throughout history. In the OT God spoke through the prophets and through wonders like the burning bush etc. The Holy Spirit wasn't as active in those days as He is today. The prophets of the OT often prophesied concerning Israel and Christ first and second coming often while in exiled. God used Israel to bring about the Messiah to save the world and that's God's message to the world. No more prophets are needed to proclaim it. That's the mission of the church.
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Again....The bible does not say the day of prophets is past...Thats unbelief speaking
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Greetings in the Lord
Jesus said...Luke 16:16
It doesn't get any plainer than that.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen
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Yes but that verse does NOT say these things are finished In fact Jesus was not even speaking of these gifts...
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Apostle Peter said that in the old days there were false prophets. But today to beware of false teachers.
There is no new prophecy after Revelation
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The law and the Prophets are O.T,
Jesus did away with the O.T and brought in the N.T.
The Spirit of the living God.
That's the division of the law and the Spirit.
It states "were" until John. Past tense brother
All praise glory and honor be unto God
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone; in Whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:19-22
Ephesians 2:19-22
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Well You do have a right to believe what you want
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Greetings
I believe the Word, the Holy Ghost, and the Spirit of truth....
...I believe God.
All glory to God
Luke 16:15-16 And he said unto them, ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.
Before the church was established spiritual gifts were administered only to certain individuals hand picked by God. As the Spiritual gifts emerged into the general population of the church, the apostles eventually died off and were no longer necessary.
Ephesians 4 gives us details about the organization and offices of the early church. Some stayed in their local church and some positions were a ministry of going from church to church and went wherever the Spirit led them.
To be an apostle there were two qualifications. An apostle must have seen Jesus and witnessed his resurrection or the ascension and they included more than the twelve.
The prophets had a dangerous job and were usually the first to be persecuted. As the church grew and developed, they eventually had their own deacons and ministers etc. to run the local church. After the church was well established the 'wandering prophets' became more of a disturbance than a help. The church eventually viewed them as an intrusion and the office of prophet just faded out.
Most Christian's I know do agree that there are no more apostles or prophets. All the prophecies about Christ second coming have been made. The church is established and the Word is written.
And I don't know anybody who upholds the qualifications of a prophet or apostle anymore. There's no longer any use for them since all the prophecies have been given and we have the written Word. Now we have the gift of prophecy which is different than being a prophet.
Today we are disciples and are able to prophesy. That doesn't make us an apostle or a prophet!
An apostle must have either seen Jesus or been hand picked by Jesus.
Paul said, "Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord?" 1 Cor. 9:1
An apostle had to be a witness of the resurrection of Christ. When the 11 apostles met to discuss who would succeed Judas, the qualification was that he had to accompany them through the earthly life of Jesus and be a witness to the resurrection. Acts 1:21-22.
OR. Jesus had to hand-picked them himself.
And when it was day, he (Jesus) called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
Not only were the original twelve apostles hand-picked by Jesus, Paul was as well.
And as he [Paul] journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts 9:3-6After Jesus appeared to him, he said of Paul: ...for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:13-15Paul refers to himself as: Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ...
Ephesians 4 gives us details about the organization and offices of the early church. Some stayed in their local church and some positions were a ministry of going from church to church and went wherever the Spirit led them.
To be an apostle there were two qualifications. An apostle must have seen Jesus and witnessed his resurrection or the ascension and they included more than the twelve.
The prophets had a dangerous job and were usually the first to be persecuted. As the church grew and developed, they eventually had their own deacons and ministers etc. to run the local church. After the church was well established the 'wandering prophets' became more of a disturbance than a help. The church eventually viewed them as an intrusion and the office of prophet just faded out.
Most Christian's I know do agree that there are no more apostles or prophets. All the prophecies about Christ second coming have been made. The church is established and the Word is written.
And I don't know anybody who upholds the qualifications of a prophet or apostle anymore. There's no longer any use for them since all the prophecies have been given and we have the written Word. Now we have the gift of prophecy which is different than being a prophet.
Today we are disciples and are able to prophesy. That doesn't make us an apostle or a prophet!
An apostle must have either seen Jesus or been hand picked by Jesus.
Paul said, "Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord?" 1 Cor. 9:1
An apostle had to be a witness of the resurrection of Christ. When the 11 apostles met to discuss who would succeed Judas, the qualification was that he had to accompany them through the earthly life of Jesus and be a witness to the resurrection. Acts 1:21-22.
OR. Jesus had to hand-picked them himself.
And when it was day, he (Jesus) called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
Not only were the original twelve apostles hand-picked by Jesus, Paul was as well.
And as he [Paul] journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts 9:3-6After Jesus appeared to him, he said of Paul: ...for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:13-15Paul refers to himself as: Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ...
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A lot of people do not know what the purpose of the prophet is. Many jump to the conclusion of prophesy because it sounds like prophet.
The prophet is one who uplifts the people of God. He or she tills the soil, so the plants are ready for harvest.
See John the Baptist, " no Greater man than he" yet he did not prophecy, he proclaimed the coming of "One Greater than I"
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And the Son has sent His prophets. They are here, yet hidden to most. And you will see them walking in Jerusalem
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May God give us His wisdom.
Wow, where ever you found that information, please toss it back into the trash.
None of it is in the Lord.
First of all, God never let His church be shepardless. There have always been living saints throughout the ages.
There have been many apostles and prophets which God has spoken through, from the beginning.
The spiritual gifts are for all people even to this day. The problem that has been going on for a long time, is that many have been lured away from actual faith to a type of confirmation type faith. ( if it isn't in the bible it isn't from God) <<< this is not true faith.
During the first century, Christians were executed at the arena in Rome. Fed to Lions mostly, or used for sport by the Gladiators. Much like the Jews being used by the Hamas, or the Jews being used by Nazi Germany. Or even the Christians living in China today.
I found it quite interesting, your comment about the "wandering prophets", and how they became a "nuisance". LOL I've never heard such Malarkey in my life. However I would love to hear how you came across this account of how the prophets of God, we're of no use to the church. Wouldn't that seem a little bit off, that the prophets of God, those that God sent would be considered a "nuisance"?
In Revelations, God is going to send 2 nuisances, who will cause all sorts of havoc for people like yourself. I wonder if you will recognize them as they wander in Jerusalem wearing sackcloth.
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When is the last time you heard a prophet? Have you heard one and it came to pass?
Yes the two witnesses will come in due time,but until then,the apostle John was the last.
He told of everything that is to come to pass. There is no new prophecy to tell.
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I'm sure you understand well when I say that God's eyes are rolling.
So are the Angels eyes rolling.
I know the subject is really sad, but you just have to sit back and laugh it is so retarded
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He who has ears listen, "the Great and terrible day of the Lord is at hand, who can stand against it"
