Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!
  • Welcome to Talk Jesus Christian Forums

    Celebrating 20 Years!

    A bible based, Jesus Christ centered community.

    Register Log In

harry potter and the order of the phoenix

Truehearts

Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2005
Messages
512
so wat can u say about this?
I just started reading the harry potter books, they are really well writen, but I also like the movies. The influence of this fiction however is so strong, I think unbelievers should be really careful about it... but I believe there's good in it too...the thought of harry possessing all the love:love: that the evil voldemort cant be able to touch him... wel I just wanna know what u think about it. :secret:
 
My personal opinion, without googling for resources and the likes.

I watched one Harry Potter movie, I can't remember it's name though. I don't watch television really and if I do, I stay away from anything that has evil in it, like horror or thriller movies. I don't like seeing people being murdered and I don't like becoming afraid.

The one scene in that Harry Potter movie had a black figure, which comes down and sucked the life out of Harry while he was sleeping on a train. The sound effects and the atmosphere that was created was quite disturbing to say the least. It bothered me for at least a few weeks.

You'd think I'd be resistant to it, I'm 23 years old and I'm a guy. But no, I don't think it's a good movie, I don't think the books are healthy either.

If I had any children, which I highly doubt, I would definitely not let them have anything to do with Harry Potter.

God bless
 
i kind of agree with teraside though i have watched all the harry potter movies and i"v read two of the books(d problem i had was that i kept turnin over the story in my mind but this happens wit every movie i watch).

the problem however isn't really the evil in the story personified by the villians in the story, its more about it making magic very attractive and lacing it with the goodness of harry and his friends.
it occured to me on reading the second to the final intallment that it seeks to create a morality seperate from God.
its very unsafe for unbelievers like truehearts said but more so for kids cos it presents to them the wrongest set of heros(cos love seperate from God really isn't llove) and it points their curiousity in the wrong direction . plus the story is very addictive.
 
I have not and will not watch or read anything to do with H.P. I think anything linked with wizards and witches is not healthy and we have to be careful what we watch, read and listen to as we feed our minds. We are supposed to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.

I would not let children watch or read it either as it gives them the wrong impression.

Remember phil.4.8

Meditate on These Things

8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.

Why watch or read junk that does not glorify God?

God bless

LLJ :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
LadyLovesJesus, very well said.

=llj
I have not and will not watch or read anything to do with H.P. I think anything linked with wizards and witches is not healthy and we have to be careful what we watch, read and listen to as we feed our minds. We are supposed to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.

I've never watch it, dont plan to. Not my cup of tea.
 
i kind of agree with teraside though i have watched all the harry potter movies and i"v read two of the books(d problem i had was that i kept turnin over the story in my mind but this happens wit every movie i watch).

the problem however isn't really the evil in the story personified by the villians in the story, its more about it making magic very attractive and lacing it with the goodness of harry and his friends.
it occured to me on reading the second to the final intallment that it seeks to create a morality seperate from God.
its very unsafe for unbelievers like truehearts said but more so for kids cos it presents to them the wrongest set of heros(cos love seperate from God really isn't llove) and it points their curiousity in the wrong direction . plus the story is very addictive.

Red portion, this is why I do not like nor recommend such movies.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
I like it. I am a Harry Potter fan. I am eagerly awaiting the new book release. Don't get me wrong- I know witches are bad. But, I love to read fantasy. So, I love the books and the movies. I think it is a personal matter if you like it or if you dislike it. But, I do not let the book rule my life either.
 
1 Corinthians 10:31
Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Matthew 6:21-23

The Lamp of the Body

22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
 
I have not and will not watch or read anything to do with H.P. I think anything linked with wizards and witches is not healthy and we have to be careful what we watch, read and listen to as we feed our minds. We are supposed to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.

I would not let children watch or read it either as it gives them the wrong impression.

Remember phil.4.8

Meditate on These Things

8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.

Why watch or read junk that does not glorify God?

God bless

LLJ :love: :rainbow: :rose:

I agree with LLJ. There is no reason for me or my children to read Harry Potter books or watch the movies. The bible tells me to avoid sorcery like the plague. Harry Potter is clearly about sorcery and wizardry. So why touch it? God says no, and I trust Him.
 
humm

Like, I could care less about Harry Potter. And really it does look quite dark/

But what about Lord of the Rings? That kinda is dark. Moreover it has magic in it. But then again, I could care less about The Lord of the Rings.

Oh, and what about stories that teach a lesson by potraying evil. Like "Macbeth" in Shakspeare. Or like "The Scarlet Letter". Anyone ever read these classics? They are my fav.

Guppy
 
Last edited:
Yes I agree with LLJ and Chad. I do not want my grandchildren watching it. What makes me so sad is the schools have for a reading project. That is scary making our kids read it and do a book report on it.
I know Jesus says we are to not have any part with evil practices or people who practice them. I call witchcraft an evil practice. So many kids live in a fantasy world and think it is the real world.
Watching my grandson the other day at his house he is 7years old. Playing that Simpson game, he was shouting shut up and I will kill you and run from the cops yeah. It made me sick and I told him it was not right in God's eyes to play this. He said yeah it was fun. I believe that is why so many kids are violent today because of this kind of stuff. Just my two cents.

in His service,
debbi

PS. Maybe if we spent more time out witnessing to the lost we wouldn't have time to play these games and watch these kinda of movies.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think it is ok for kids to read Harry Potter as long as the parents take responsibilty and tell their kids that it isn't real that it's just a made up story and that its just someones imagination. I have been exposed to this type of thing since i was 8 years old and i have always known it was wrong. My parents made sure i had some good common sense when it comes down to determining the difference between fact and fiction and you can too. You don't have to sit back and let your kids try to do that themselves be the helping hand and guide them. Don't restrict them (thats my advice you).
 
I think it is ok for kids to read Harry Potter as long as the parents take responsibilty and tell their kids that it isn't real that it's just a made up story and that its just someones imagination. I have been exposed to this type of thing since i was 8 years old and i have always known it was wrong. My parents made sure i had some good common sense when it comes down to determining the difference between fact and fiction and you can too. You don't have to sit back and let your kids try to do that themselves be the helping hand and guide them. Don't restrict them (thats my advice you).

This does not make any sense at all. You say

"I have been exposed to this type of thing since i was 8 years old and i have always known it was wrong"

If it is wrong, why bother watching this garbage? If it is wrong, then it is against GOD. That's entertaining?
 
This does not make any sense at all. You say

"I have been exposed to this type of thing since i was 8 years old and i have always known it was wrong"

If it is wrong, why bother watching this garbage? If it is wrong, then it is against GOD. That's entertaining?

The fact is it doesn't direct my eyes away from God. Enjoying this movie is not making me less of a person or a christian.
 
The fact is it doesn't direct my eyes away from God. Enjoying this movie is not making me less of a person or a christian.

I would disagree with you there as we have to be careful what we watch, read and listen to. I choose not to watch television any more because of all the garbage on it.

If it does not matter why does the Bible tell us:
Phil 4.8

And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise. 9 Keep putting into practice all you learned and received from me—everything you heard from me and saw me doing. Then the God of peace will be with you.


God bless

LLJ :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
its just a movie,you dont have to beleive in what they do in it.

It's not just a movie. It's a way of life for some people. The effect a movie can have on a young child and their way of growing up is tremendous.

You can't stand back and say it's just a movie, then we can watch pornographic movies, which bring glory to satan and the flesh and say the same thing, it's just a movie.

Sister LadylovesJesus provided the scripture and it's good to read it.

The Bible is filled with scripture that speak of people idolizing things and it becomes their god's. This movie is exactly the same, so are the books, some people can't live without it.

Think and pray about it and let the Holy Spirit convince you what He wants to, He has convinced me that these evils we see on our screens is not from God.
 
Last edited:
It's not just a movie. It's a way of life for some people. The effect a movie can have on a young child and their way of growing up is tremendous.

You can't stand back and say it's just a movie, then we can watch pornographic movies, which bring glory to satan and the flesh and say the same thing, it's just a movie.

Sister LadylovesJesus provided the scripture and it's good to read it.

The Bible is filled with scripture that speak of people idolizing things and it becomes their god's. This movie is exactly the same, so are the books, some people can't live without it.

Think and pray about it and let the Holy Spirit convince you what He wants to, He has convinced me that these evils we see on our screens is not from God.

I agree with you on the fact that i would never let my child watch porno because i don't want them to became sex addicts. But when it comes down to fantasy like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter you got to realize that it isn't real. I believe that witchcraft and magic are not real that it is simply myth that is why i watch Harry Potter because it is a story that can never happen. That is what i'll tell my children and i teach them how to determine fact from fiction on their own. When you do have that fantasy and witchcraft are fake that is the perfect time to explain to them the evils of the Wicken (im not sure that is spelled right) religion, what they believe, and its fantasy look alike. Plus Harry Potter is the least of my worries. Im more worried about the non-fantasy fiction that is on the big screen. For example i wouldn't bring my 7 year old to see R-Rated movies like 300 or Sin City like most people do. I watched the ending of Sin City the other night on TV to see if it was any good and i was even apalled by it. The main character, i would guess about 45, feel in love with a 19 year old, brutally beat a villian to death (literally) and then shot himself because he thought he had no other choice. See thats where i draw the line. Real brutality is not on my childrens movie agenda for a long time.
 
I agree with you on the fact that i would never let my child watch porno because i don't want them to became sex addicts. But when it comes down to fantasy like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter you got to realize that it isn't real. I believe that witchcraft and magic are not real that it is simply myth that is why i watch Harry Potter because it is a story that can never happen. That is what i'll tell my children and i teach them how to determine fact from fiction on their own. When you do have that fantasy and witchcraft are fake that is the perfect time to explain to them the evils of the Wicken (im not sure that is spelled right) religion, what they believe, and its fantasy look alike. Plus Harry Potter is the least of my worries. Im more worried about the non-fantasy fiction that is on the big screen. For example i wouldn't bring my 7 year old to see R-Rated movies like 300 or Sin City like most people do. I watched the ending of Sin City the other night on TV to see if it was any good and i was even apalled by it. The main character, i would guess about 45, feel in love with a 19 year old, brutally beat a villian to death (literally) and then shot himself because he thought he had no other choice. See thats where i draw the line. Real brutality is not on my childrens movie agenda for a long time.


Witchcraft is real. Magic is real. Sorcery is real. The Scripture says so:

2 Kings 17:16-18

16 So they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, made for themselves a molded image and two calves, made a wooden image and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. 17 And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him to anger. 18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them from His sight; there was none left but the tribe of Judah alone.

Exodus 9:10-12

10 Then they took ashes from the furnace and stood before Pharaoh, and Moses scattered them toward heaven. And they caused boils that break out in sores on man and beast. 11 And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils, for the boils were on the magicians and on all the Egyptians. 12 But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh; and he did not heed them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Definitions

Magic


The Jews seem early to have consulted the teraphim (q.v.) for oracular answers (Judg. 18:5, 6; Zech. 10:2). There is a remarkable illustration of this divining by teraphim in Ezek. 21:19-22. We read also of the divining cup of Joseph (Gen. 44:5). The magicians of Egypt are frequently referred to in the history of the Exodus. Magic was an inherent part of the ancient Egyptian religion, and entered largely into their daily life.

All magical arts were distinctly prohibited under penalty of death in the Mosaic law. The Jews were commanded not to learn the "abomination" of the people of the Promised Land (Lev. 19:31; Deut. 18:9-14). The history of Saul's consulting the witch of Endor (1 Sam. 28:3-20) gives no warrant for attributing supernatural power to magicians. From the first the witch is here only a bystander. The practice of magic lingered among the people till after the Captivity, when they gradually abandoned it.

It is not much referred to in the New Testament. The Magi mentioned in Matt. 2:1-12 were not magicians in the ordinary sense of the word. They belonged to a religious caste, the followers of Zoroaster, the astrologers of the East. Simon, a magician, was found by Philip at Samaria (Acts 8:9-24); and Paul and Barnabas encountered Elymas, a Jewish sorcerer, at Paphos (13:6-12). At Ephesus there was a great destruction of magical books (Acts 19:18, 19).

Witch

Occurs only in Ex. 22:18, as the rendering of _mekhashshepheh_, the feminine form of the word, meaning "enchantress" (R.V., "sorceress"), and in Deut. 18:10, as the rendering of _mekhashshepheth_, the masculine form of the word, meaning "enchanter."

Witchcraft

(1 Sam. 15:23; 2 Kings 9:22; 2 Chr. 33:6; Micah 5:12; Nahum 3:4; Gal. 5:20). In the popular sense of the word no mention is made either of witches or of witchcraft in Scripture.

The "witch of En-dor" (1 Sam. 28) was a necromancer, i.e., one who feigned to hold converse with the dead. The damsel with "a spirit of divination" (Acts 16:16) was possessed by an evil spirit, or, as the words are literally rendered, "having a spirit, a pithon." The reference is to the heathen god Apollo, who was regarded as the god of prophecy.

Sorcerer from the Latin sortiarius, one who casts lots, or one who tells the lot of others. In Dan. 2:2 it is the rendering of the Hebrew mekhashphim, i.e., mutterers, men who professed to have power with evil spirits. The practice of sorcery exposed to severest punishment (Mal. 3:5; Rev. 21:8; 22:15).
 
i think what i'm trying to say Chad is i really don't think someone can levitate things with a spoken word or the flick of a stick or fly on a broom stick. I think those are overdone in books like harry potter. All in all i really am getting tired of fighting with you this is not the place for it. I am just saying that i like harry potter but that doesn't mean i'm going to become a magic user. Harry Potter is fantasy-fiction and that is all it will ever be to me is fantasy story to enjoy and not to follow. Thank you for you time.
 
Back
Top