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harry potter and the order of the phoenix

Fanstasy is a wonderful use of a word for something which could be used to plant seeds of doubt sister Idelle. You are free to watch Harry Potter if you like, that is up to you. Unless the Holy Spirit has convinced you otherwise, we can't force you to accept our views.

I doubt brother Chad was trying to fight with you. Please keep him in your prayers, he's had a tough 2 days, so he's just a bit stressed.

I need to make the point however that Chad has to show you scripture in order for you to understand the truth. I hope to see you in chat later so we can pray.

God bless you
Faithful Son
 
I think it’s personal choice and again you can’t let anything you see to rule or over power you H.P is just a movie and I think if someone like me want to watch it she/he is doing it for the fun of it I watched 4 H.P movies already and I found nothing wrong with them, actually I think the lady who wrote the stories has a great mind for thinking such.

That’s just a fiction and can’t be true and I can’t tell my mind it’s true
 
Personal choice, not my cup of tea, very well done with all the effects these days, what scares me more is the amount of money the author(ess) has made from this and what she does with it, her business of course but! Freedom of choice, does not hinder you from 'getting into heaven' that, like many other things does not stop you being a christian. As long as you have control over 'it' (whatever the it may be) and 'it' doesn't have control over you. Is there an age restriction on these movies? Perhaps there should be although the books are extremely popular too hmmm.
 
Harry Potter is witchcraft 101 for kids.There are some great books out on this kind of subject,and how media and Hollywood uses it power for evil.
 
I read watch and play stuff with magic in it but i don't take it so far as to acually start doing magic. Never interested in doing so either.
 
WWJD?
(What Would Jesus Do)?

Here we go...

Would you imagine Jesus Christ going to the movies to watch Harry Potter?

Would you imagine Jesus Christ giving this movie a good rating/review?

Now, remind yourself that we are to walk in Spirit and imitate Christ in all things we do, and glorify GOD.

Now we're here for simple discussion about this movie. We're not here to judge nor condemn others. We're here with food for thought, using Scripture alone and hopefully no one will use opinions instead.

1 Corinthians 11:1
Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

Galatians 5:16-17
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
 
Thank you for bringing up this awesome topic. Alot of people are confused on whether it is right or wrong for a Christian to watch these films and read these books.

I don't think it's WISE to get into HP. Not that it's a sin to watch this, but it's not wise to open your heart to this type of mystery with sorcerers and witches. If someone wants to watch a mystery film so bad, they can go to the Christian bookstore and buy a mystery film.

Some people who aren't firm in the Lord start to question their faith. Even believers who are firm start to question if wizards and magic are real. That's how the enemy works. He will tempt you and hit you hardest in the areas that you are not strong. For example, if someone slightly believes in magic, he will play with their mind and give them temptation to watch Criss Angel and stuff like that.

It's best to just stay away from it and keep the door closed on the enemy.
 
I don't know why but i just feel that stuff like harry potter and other fantasy entertainment doesn't bother me that much. Its the realistic stuff like Sin City (i mentioned this before) that really bothers me. Suicide and brutality that happens every day gives me the gitters.
 
I don't know why but i just feel that stuff like harry potter and other fantasy entertainment doesn't bother me that much. Its the realistic stuff like Sin City (i mentioned this before) that really bothers me. Suicide and brutality that happens every day gives me the gitters.

I agree with you sister Idelle, except I don't like either. I dislike watching violent films and or things to do with witchcraft. I did however enjoy the Lord of the Rings movies, but it's been 2 years since I have seen it. I doubt it if I'd enjoy it again today.

If we look at it objectively and read what the Word says, we should be weary what we open ourselves up to. You won't see me watch a horror movie, ever. Again, I wasn't always like that.

Glory goes to Jesus and Him alone! Amen!
 
The Marketing of Evil,a great book on these subjects.
"The Marketing of Evil" reveals how much of what Americans once almost universally abhorred has been packaged, perfumed, gift-wrapped and sold to them as though it had great value. Highly skilled marketers, playing on our deeply felt national values of fairness, generosity and tolerance, have persuaded us to embrace as enlightened and noble that which all previous generations since America’s founding regarded as grossly self-destructive – in a word, evil.
 
Is it me, or does it seem that some people try to defend "books" a little too much? Why not stick with what Scripture says, plain and simple? It is GOD speaking directly to us. What more can we ask for? I don't know about you brothers and sisters, but I dont' need nor fancy popular movie nor "raging ratings" of a book to push away Scripture. The Word is by far more exciting, more interesting than anything out there.
 
My grandchildren and other kids I know are believeing this is reality this is not reality. They see so much that is not from God it is filling their minds with garbage and I will call it what it is SIN. That is plain and simple to me. Kids are influenced by things they watch and see as in thier parents and movies... We need to stick with the Bible it is the book for me.. BIBLE that's the book for me... We teach kids that at our kids club... Chad said it all in read the word of God it is truth and the only truth I need and my grandkids need....

debbi
 
I must admit i fall into the catagory Chad just discribed. I have defended Harry Potter a bit to much but please do not judge me by the books i read. I am not taking what i read literally...except for the Bible of course. Forgive me for blowing this out of proportion but i read and watch stuff like harry potter for entertainment not as a guide of "Oh Man I should so do that" kind of thing. That is reserved for the bible. Sorry for wasting everyones time with my sinful behaviors.
 
harry potter is about witches n witchcraft fighting against evil n evil powers & magic. i watched the dvd from the first part and the last. i have not yet seen the new one. the order of phoenix ..harry potter some fantastic and special effects the one who turns into a wolf and a rat. but i cant remember the names of the character.

its somewhat not good to kids what they see is good and bad. what if there's a real one, kid no longer be afraid 'coz they have experience watching the scary movie. satan wants to do this to enjoy who are weak of faith in GOD. this has no moral values. we can teach the children to know more about jesus in the bible...we can continue to have a daily vacation bible school for kids...
i agreed with chad that we can stick it to the bible. the bible is the truth...GOD IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
 
Harry Potter and witchcraft

Harry Potter is a complicated thing.

The abilities people are born with in the Harry Potter world do not fit either the Biblical or even most modern New-age definitions of magic. At best, they could be called metaphysical talents.

The people of Potter's world are born with their abilities, apparently after the same fashion that allows some people to be born extremely athletic or with a spectacular singing voice or perfect pitch. The gift is neutral at birth, gaining strength only from within the individual and needing no outside demonic force to fuel it. In short, if God Himself decided to have some people be born on earth with certain "magical" abilities, the default you would get would be the "magical" children of the Potter world.

Putting these abilities into the realm of simple gifts one happens to be born with, we are then left with the "what you do with it determines the good or evil of it" philosophy. So you see great and powerful -- but also very moral -- "wizards" like Dumbledore, who teach that there is no greater power than to lay down one's life for a friend/family member, and that Love conquors all, etc.

But you also see the wicked members of this gifted segment of the population. People like Wormwood and Voldemort who are willing to engage in wicked practices and even demonic activity to unnaturally develop their abilities beyond what is right, proper, or good.

In this world, "magic" becomes a wholly natural and God-given ability that anyone may be born with, whether they want such a gift or not. This ability can be used faithfully and with godly restraint...like a strong man who uses the physical prowess God gave him at birth to protect and serve his community as a well skilled police officer. Or this ability can be twisted into wickedness and evil -- like if the same strong man decided to use steroids and shady contracts with corrupt judges to rig the Olympics.

In general (but not in specifics) the magical lessons taught at Hogwarts become then similar to the martial arts. They aren't good or evil per se, but they could certainly be used in both good or evil ways. Chemists may synthesize medicines or poisons, too.

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Having said all that, the author uses the words "witch" and "warlock" to describe these people of metaphysical ability. This is a terrible shame.

The latter term is rediculous in any context because it has roots in an older word which is Scotch Gaelic for "traitor."

The former term is 1. inaccurate and 2. evil in nature.

A witch is a person who starts out as normal as anyone else. This person sells him or herself into a contract of Evil with demonic forces to obtain special powers. While the powers may seem benign on the surface (healing, prophecy, etc), they are evil in form -- because thier source is other than the Holy Spirit. In effect, a "witch" is a thief who has stolen abilities that should be granted only to those anointed by the Spirit to do the work of the Lord. The exact mechanics of why God ever allowed such contracts to be made and why demons could give such powers to mortals is a topic beyond the scope of this post...suffice to say it's one of many proofs for the doctrine of Free Will, for both humanity and fallen angels.

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One place where the books of Harry Potter founder into danger is in the area of divination. The Bible specifically teaches that one should not, in any circumstances, practice divination.

The only way godly people may receive knowledge of future events is to either pray to the Lord directly for wisdom in such matters, or to go to a prophet of God. Doing divination rituals where you seem to be reaching out into the universe for answers from anyone -- or anything -- that may provide them is forbidden, and actual prophets in these days are extremely rare (but I won't discount the chance that there may well be some - as many end-time Biblical verses say we shall see a rise in prophets as we get closer to the last days).

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I have always regretted that there wasn't more in the pages of Harry Potter to depict the religious leanings of the characters. Dumbledore's speeches on the power behind one who lays down his life for his friends, and on the nature of Love, would seem to be almost Biblical in origin. Harry's parents are buried in apparently consecrated graves in a church yard. That doesn't mean they were saved, but it *might* allude to the idea that they were believers. Potter's aunt and uncle were clearly secularists who, if they bothered to even attend a church, did it for appearances only.

So...do you prohibit the fiction of Potter's world because it uses words like "magic," and "witch" and "warlock" .. or do you allow the books and explain to your children the differences between the "traditional" wicked witch of Biblical teaching and the poorly named "witches" of Potter's reality?

That is a question that will only be answered after each individual parent Goes to God in prayer -- and the answer may not be the same for everyone.

For my part, I enjoyed the books. They reminded me a little bit of the worlds of C.S. Lewis which also contained magic but which (because Lewis was doing it on purpose) made a much easier link to follow between fictional fable and Biblical truth. But I know some households which have avoided the books entirely and if you feel you need to do that, then that is probably what you should do.

Janette
 
Harry Potter is a complicated thing.

The abilities people are born with in the Harry Potter world do not fit either the Biblical or even most modern New-age definitions of magic. At best, they could be called metaphysical talents.

The people of Potter's world are born with their abilities, apparently after the same fashion that allows some people to be born extremely athletic or with a spectacular singing voice or perfect pitch. The gift is neutral at birth, gaining strength only from within the individual and needing no outside demonic force to fuel it. In short, if God Himself decided to have some people be born on earth with certain "magical" abilities, the default you would get would be the "magical" children of the Potter world.

Putting these abilities into the realm of simple gifts one happens to be born with, we are then left with the "what you do with it determines the good or evil of it" philosophy. So you see great and powerful -- but also very moral -- "wizards" like Dumbledore, who teach that there is no greater power than to lay down one's life for a friend/family member, and that Love conquors all, etc.

But you also see the wicked members of this gifted segment of the population. People like Wormwood and Voldemort who are willing to engage in wicked practices and even demonic activity to unnaturally develop their abilities beyond what is right, proper, or good.

In this world, "magic" becomes a wholly natural and God-given ability that anyone may be born with, whether they want such a gift or not. This ability can be used faithfully and with godly restraint...like a strong man who uses the physical prowess God gave him at birth to protect and serve his community as a well skilled police officer. Or this ability can be twisted into wickedness and evil -- like if the same strong man decided to use steroids and shady contracts with corrupt judges to rig the Olympics.

In general (but not in specifics) the magical lessons taught at Hogwarts become then similar to the martial arts. They aren't good or evil per se, but they could certainly be used in both good or evil ways. Chemists may synthesize medicines or poisons, too.

---

Having said all that, the author uses the words "witch" and "warlock" to describe these people of metaphysical ability. This is a terrible shame.

The latter term is rediculous in any context because it has roots in an older word which is Scotch Gaelic for "traitor."

The former term is 1. inaccurate and 2. evil in nature.

A witch is a person who starts out as normal as anyone else. This person sells him or herself into a contract of Evil with demonic forces to obtain special powers. While the powers may seem benign on the surface (healing, prophecy, etc), they are evil in form -- because thier source is other than the Holy Spirit. In effect, a "witch" is a thief who has stolen abilities that should be granted only to those anointed by the Spirit to do the work of the Lord. The exact mechanics of why God ever allowed such contracts to be made and why demons could give such powers to mortals is a topic beyond the scope of this post...suffice to say it's one of many proofs for the doctrine of Free Will, for both humanity and fallen angels.

---

One place where the books of Harry Potter founder into danger is in the area of divination. The Bible specifically teaches that one should not, in any circumstances, practice divination.

The only way godly people may receive knowledge of future events is to either pray to the Lord directly for wisdom in such matters, or to go to a prophet of God. Doing divination rituals where you seem to be reaching out into the universe for answers from anyone -- or anything -- that may provide them is forbidden, and actual prophets in these days are extremely rare (but I won't discount the chance that there may well be some - as many end-time Biblical verses say we shall see a rise in prophets as we get closer to the last days).

---

I have always regretted that there wasn't more in the pages of Harry Potter to depict the religious leanings of the characters. Dumbledore's speeches on the power behind one who lays down his life for his friends, and on the nature of Love, would seem to be almost Biblical in origin. Harry's parents are buried in apparently consecrated graves in a church yard. That doesn't mean they were saved, but it *might* allude to the idea that they were believers. Potter's aunt and uncle were clearly secularists who, if they bothered to even attend a church, did it for appearances only.

So...do you prohibit the fiction of Potter's world because it uses words like "magic," and "witch" and "warlock" .. or do you allow the books and explain to your children the differences between the "traditional" wicked witch of Biblical teaching and the poorly named "witches" of Potter's reality?

That is a question that will only be answered after each individual parent Goes to God in prayer -- and the answer may not be the same for everyone.

For my part, I enjoyed the books. They reminded me a little bit of the worlds of C.S. Lewis which also contained magic but which (because Lewis was doing it on purpose) made a much easier link to follow between fictional fable and Biblical truth. But I know some households which have avoided the books entirely and if you feel you need to do that, then that is probably what you should do.

Janette


Yeah this reminds me a lot of Tolkien's work. There is wizardry going on in The Lord of the Rings and due to that a lot of Chistians (I'm not saying all) tend to dismiss it at that. They don't see the moral story behind the trilogy that could be used a good teaching tool for your kids in the way of Christ. Frodo's whole quest is about resisting the temptations of evil and eventually destroying it all together. That is a story i would want to teach my kids.
Personally i watch/read HP for the fact that is shows people trusting each other, Lord of the Rings for resisting temptation, Eragon and things like V for Vendetta for the fact they show resistance against evil people no matter who they are.
 
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Harry Potter as i have heard is now to be used as reading material in schools ,How would one react to this situation, when 95% of the parents agree it is a good idea.
 
hi guys, thanks for all your response.... it definitely moved my harry potter meter fan... a little bit lower...but im still a fan, harry potter actually is a memorable part of my friendship with one of the closest girl in my life. And il forever cherish it in a way. So.. well, just so u know ive mellowed a little in reading the book and i havent watched the film yet. But i will eventually. Ive heard its a little flop though..like people have been sequel sick. lol. il say its daniel's haircut, he just looks less adorable.. lol
 
Harry Potter as i have heard is now to be used as reading material in schools ,How would one react to this situation, when 95% of the parents agree it is a good idea.

this i really wont agree.... it makes no sense...hp for school...woah!!!:shock:
 
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