Healing of the physical

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So believing is not faith its believing Faith is trusting the Word and obeying it. To believe its true, but not stepping out is faithless and foolish.

Again very truthful and yet incomplete.

In this hour there are far too many things people are calling faith and it's pure foolishness.

Far to many times God is calling one in a direction and they have a better plan and "step out in Faith" in another and fall flat into failure and claim FAITH don't work.

Faith did not fail, they failed obedience unto God.
One can not just come up with some idea or belief and claim to step out in faith and then see the victory or manifestation.

Blessings to you

 

[Bendito]

This may have some truth in it but it is very much incomplete.

1. Faith must be developed after it is planted as a seed in each of us.

2. There must be truth to much faith or little faith for Jesus Himself said he of little faith.

3. Big or Strong Faith is a faith that has developed in all areas.
A. It can not be swayed
B. It can withstand against
C. It quickly removes doubt and fear.

Many folks give up before their healing has totally manifested in them.

Far to many folks quit once they run into a giant or demon saying NO you won't or are not healed .

It takes discipline many times by a believer to make it until the healing has manifested .

So please don't trample on the written word of God.
There is strong faith and weak faith.
Blessings to you

rrriiiiiiiiiiiiight you are Laddie!!
Listen! Jesus is the minister of our seed....The faith given us is not the harvest but the seed. Plant it! It'll grow.

Now Wrong! To say that we all have been given the same measure of faith is not trampling the Word....Its a true thing I said....Weak faith? That's because its never been planted but has been used for food. You do not eat your seed...Do you have weak faith? Plant it! It will grow. strong faith? Yup that's the harvest...It was planted.

In my mind, the only reason a person does not get healed is because of unbelief..Not a lack of faith.... The first time I ministered healing in my whole little life was when I was a Christian for about a month? Maybe two months....The woman came to me after the midweek service and said "Brother You have the gift of healing Lay hands on me and get me healed....My friend, I didn't even know what the gift of healing is. I didn't know a single healing scripture....I was a baby whose belly button was not even healed yet. So...? "Uh...ok...What do I do?" The woman grabbed my hand, slapped it onto her forehead and said "Now get me healed."
Like the man in the bible I said "Uh..God? You can heal this woman. Please do that. Thank you." And I'm sure I ran all the way home.
That was the midweek service...By the next morning I had forgotten all about it...all about the woman. and Satan attacked with guilt. 'How could I be so callous, so self centered as to not worry about that dear lady?'
But my Lady, my pastor, my teacher, my prophetess told me..."That's what you are supposed to do. Give it to God and forget about it...Leave it with Him" So the woman was healed...But not from my faith truly. It was the faith of Jesus Himself....

So I planted my first faith for healing seed....and it grew.....

You're right too. It takes discipline to give it to God and not take it back!

Now lets address Mr Bears question....The elders.
The man of little seed faith needs healing....He goes to the elders who are supposed to have strong faith. And they lay hands on him believing and he gets healed....But what happens when those elders are steeped in churchianity? The poor man dies of unbelief poisoning.

The reason one is to go to the elders is because their faith should be strong, it should have been planted and is supposed to have grown!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Now Wrong! To say that we all have been given the same measure of faith is not trampling the Word...

Exactly!
I was rather referring to
((You often hear Christians saying "Oh He didn't get healed because he didn't have faith for it....That's churchianity again))

In my mind, the only reason a person does not get healed is because of unbelief..Not a lack of faith..

If their was an abundance of Faith there then there would be no room for doubt and unbelief.

If doubt and unbelief is present then it is housed where FAITH should have been. Hence lack of Faith.

Faith has to be prepared to stand long if need be. This takes a stronger more developed faith.

Small or weak Faith won't stand and thus renders unto doubt and unbelief and reasoning.

Concerning your story of the lady and healing.
It's called an expectant heart.
Just like the lady with the issue of blood. She expected her healimg if she could touch Jesus.
That's Faith.

Many come well if You can or maybe He might and maybe He won't.
There is little to no faith there .

Blessings to you

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Dear brothers

Your answers are all very interesting. And thank you @Brad Huber for starting this discussion.

The poll question was

Do you believe all physical infirmaties can be healed on this earth if you have faith?

Yes......if we have faith all physical infirmaties can be healed resounds through the thread

Heres a further question......

So where does that leave medical intervention.....?

Ofttimes one may here prayers being raised "for the doctors skills" "for the hands of the surgeon to be guided" "for treatment to work"

At other times one may hear believers condemning other believers for using the medical services, taking medication etc. I stayed in a household of "believers" once, and my then little daughters spectacles were hidden in a very high place......because it was considered wrong and a lack of faith that she should wear glasses.

So dear brothers....where does medical intervention/medicine sit with faith and healing

@Wired 4 Fishen @Bendito @Br. Bear @Dave M @Christ4Ever
(Tagging all of you who have been active here....in the hope of some replies....thank you)

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Dear brothers

Your answers are all very interesting. And thank you @Brad Huber for starting this discussion.

The poll question was

Do you believe all physical infirmaties can be healed on this earth if you have faith?

Yes......if we have faith all physical infirmaties can be healed resounds through the thread

Heres a further question......

So where does that leave medical intervention.....?

Ofttimes one may here prayers being raised "for the doctors skills" "for the hands of the surgeon to be guided" "for treatment to work"

At other times one may hear believers condemning other believers for using the medical services, taking medication etc. I stayed in a household of "believers" once, and my then little daughters spectacles were hidden in a very high place......because it was considered wrong and a lack of faith that she should wear glasses.

So dear brothers....where does medical intervention/medicine sit with faith and healing

@Wired 4 Fishen @Bendito @Br. Bear @Dave M @Christ4Ever
(Tagging all of you who have been active here....in the hope of some replies....thank you)

Greetings Sister @Fragrant Grace
These are really good thoughts and questions.

I totally believe God has called many into the medical field and this includes doctors.

If a believer uses a doctor then they should do so in Faith.

We should always pray over our Doctors and surgeon's.
We should pray that God would give them Quick healing as well.

One can also take medication by faith and still be standing on there healing.

About the child and using glasses.
It's foolishness not faith to say she should not use them.

One does not know the future. 20 years later she may be totally healed and has no need for the glasses.

Every one in my family has glasses .
I swore I would not.
For a awhile I was ashamed to uses reading glasses but that eventually changed .

Today my eyes are no worse and I am finding that I don't need them as much.

Does that mean i don't have faith?
Of course not . My eyes did not go bad and I still don't need glasses other then really little print.

Blessings to you and your family

 

[Bendito]

Dear brothers

Your answers are all very interesting. And thank you @Brad Huber for starting this discussion.

The poll question was

Do you believe all physical infirmaties can be healed on this earth if you have faith?

Yes......if we have faith all physical infirmaties can be healed resounds through the thread

Heres a further question......

So where does that leave medical intervention.....?

Ofttimes one may here prayers being raised "for the doctors skills" "for the hands of the surgeon to be guided" "for treatment to work"

At other times one may hear believers condemning other believers for using the medical services, taking medication etc. I stayed in a household of "believers" once, and my then little daughters spectacles were hidden in a very high place......because it was considered wrong and a lack of faith that she should wear glasses.

So dear brothers....where does medical intervention/medicine sit with faith and healing

@Wired 4 Fishen @Bendito @Br. Bear @Dave M @Christ4Ever
(Tagging all of you who have been active here....in the hope of some replies....thank you)

Those people who hid the daughters specs were foolish in their thinking. Of course Doctors are a good thing! And necessary! Not everybody has the Word in them enough to believe God for His healing, so they need the substitute. They stay with the doctors until they can believe for their healing.
I absolutely believe in healing, I have ministered healing many times. Yet I have a difficult time believing in healing for me, even though God has healed me in the past. If I did not use doctors, I would be dead.
If a person believes the lie, easier than the truth he will not see the truth, because Believing is seeing...not the other way around. You know its true (belief), you act on the truth (stepping out in faith) and you get the results that you seek.
So, to answer your question clearly and concisely. .Yes there is a definite place for the medical community. You don't have to quit your job. LOL Christians who don't believe in healing, won't believe in healing, or don't even know that Jesus paid for our healing need to go to doctors..

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear brothers

Your answers are all very interesting. And thank you @Brad Huber for starting this discussion.

The poll question was

Do you believe all physical infirmaties can be healed on this earth if you have faith?

Yes......if we have faith all physical infirmaties can be healed resounds through the thread

Heres a further question......

So where does that leave medical intervention.....?

Ofttimes one may here prayers being raised "for the doctors skills" "for the hands of the surgeon to be guided" "for treatment to work"

At other times one may hear believers condemning other believers for using the medical services, taking medication etc. I stayed in a household of "believers" once, and my then little daughters spectacles were hidden in a very high place......because it was considered wrong and a lack of faith that she should wear glasses.

So dear brothers....where does medical intervention/medicine sit with faith and healing

@Wired 4 Fishen @Bendito @Br. Bear @Dave M @Christ4Ever
(Tagging all of you who have been active here....in the hope of some replies....thank you)

Dear Sister,
In truth I'm only a participant in this thread by default!
Br. Bear copied a post I had used as a Devotional to this thread, in the hope it might contribute to the discussion (?)

However, because you are gracious as ever, and you and yours are dear to me in faith Sister. I will add what I am moved to share.

Knowledge comes from God. How it is put to use, and the results there of, show if God's will for it, will be successful or not. However, I cannot presume to know how or even who God will use to heal another. I could not even presume to say that He would heal a believer over an unsaved person. Such contemplations I believer would be fruitless.
For me a Doctor like any one person can be a tool by which God's will can be done. In the past I've wondered why the same operation can be done on two separate but similar people by the same doctor and at the end results differ. In these case we would say that one is successful and the other not so much. Yet, it's our presumptuousness/desires which really are what leads us to these conclusions, because in truth the results could be exactly what God will are for these people!

I've always liked and was amazed by the reply to King Nebuchadnezzar by Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego. When they said "If it be [so], our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver [us] out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up." The results we now know is that God could and did deliver them, but the faith of these three was such that they knew the decision was not theirs to make, but God's. So, even if the outcome did not result in their deliverance. The one thing they were going to do, was remain faithful to God's commands!

So, I ask myself has God commanded in His Word that we should not seek Doctors out? Keeping in mind that physicians, one of which was even an Apostle, Luke, had practices that were a bit different then what we see now. Also, understanding most importantly. Which is what I would tell a person about whether to seek a Doctors services. Do not neglect so lightly what God's providence has made available for you to receive. Also, do not be put off/on by the results either. Because one should always trust that God's will, "WILL" be done in whatever the end results may show itself to be.

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31 (my bold)

To tie this as an act of faith or lack thereof is in my eyes is to just make another attempt to build a box by which one can define God by. This is not me saying that I am condoning spell casting, mysticism, etc. as an option. We should know that these methods are Scripturally wrong.

So, even though you didn't ask me to answer the originally thread question Dear Sister. I feel moved to do so.

My answer is Yes, if God wills it. Caveat being, that it also doesn't mean that He doesn't want you to go see a Doctor if as I said before, providence has allowed you to have access to one. Knowing that the results will always be in His hands, and you as a Child of the Most High must always remember. This is another opportunity to share God's Love, and what He has done for you. Which is even more important then the results!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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PS - The difference between the dying believer and the unsaved is..........We rejoice because we're going home!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Yes there is a definite place for the medical community. You don't have to quit your job. LOL

Phew thats a relief brother:smile:

 

[Dave M]

I believe that God can heal anyone anytime, does he give the same gift he of healing like he did to the apostles to people today, I dont think so, sure some people heal people when God allows it, but can they do it every single time like the Apostles?, I have never herd of anyone walking into a hospital and healing everyone in the hospital like the Apostles were capable of doing.

 

[amadeus2]

And so with all of this discussion about physical healing and now the questions about the role of the medical community let me insert here a recent testimony which involves these things: A dear sister in the Lord met my wife shortly after my job had brought us to Oklahoma in 1987. It was through that meeting that God brought us to the place where we now attend church regularly. Since that time the sister and her husband have moved to the Wichita, Ks area but her two grown children continue to attend church with me and my wife in Oklahoma.

About two years ago that same sister was involved in a car accident and apparently slight injuries to her head caused them to X-ray her head to confirm there was no further damage. What the X-ray showed was a tumor in her brain about the size of a walnut completely unrelated to her car accident. The tumor, even if it was benign would eventually have killed her. There were no symptoms before the accident warning her that she had a problem. Now as a result of the X-ray she was told that surgery was necessary.

At that point they did not know whether the tumor was cancerous or not but since the tumor seemed to be growing the surgery was essential even if it was benign. The surgery was done and the tumor which proved to definitely be cancerous was completely removed. She recovered from the surgery and returned to work. Her testimony then was that God had allowed the accident to allow the discovery of the tumor so it could be removed before it killed her.

But... that was not the end of the story.

About two months ago as part of a regular check up for someone who has already had cancer a new X-ray was taken of her head. A tumor was back in the same location as the first one was approximately the same size it had been when previously removed. She was told that surgery would again be necessary. Even though they were certain that the new tumor would be cancerous again, because of its location neither chemotherapy nor radiation treatments were options. She saw the specialists and finally last month [Feb, 2018] she was going for another X-ray prior to the surgery. About this time a dear old brother who has definitely been used of God many times in his lifetime in the healing of physical problems was traveling from Kentucky to his home in south eastern Oklahoma. As he was driving and talking to God he was advised to pray for our dear sister. He did as he was told. Our sister went to her appointment in Wichita and they were unable to locate the tumor or any abnormality in the new X-rays.

Consider how the doctors were used. Consider how great is our God! As of this date she is healthy and is working at her job in Wichita.

Give God the glory!

 

[Gabriel Kinson]

The associate pastor of our church endured a really complex and unknown form of neuropathy back in 2014. Doctors couldn't pinpoint the cause. He basically became their guinea pig as they kept trying stuff, looking for something to stick, During that time, he lost a significant amount of weight, and lost the ability to walk at all. About a year later, he began making baby steps towards healing, as he slowly regained the ability to walk and began putting on weight again. His doctor (who wasn't a believer) even told him it had to be God, because he couldn't explain this.

Today he is still healthy and still walking. Glory to God.