help...

[jari]

I need help i stopped believing in holy spirit because all the spirit filledness could come from devil and i am very down now.
Like i cannot know what spirit is from god?

 

[DutchChristian]

The Holy Spirit vs. holy spirit they are not the same.

Spirit filledness vs. spirit filledness they are not the same.

One is The True Spirit of GOD and one is the cheap and wild copycat: witchcraft kundalini serpent spirit that comes from the devil.

Indeed all spirit filledness (watch very carefully as this is the small letter s spirit!) could come from the devil, indeed.

There is only one Spirit of GOD it is The Holy Spirit so any other spirit is NOT OF GOD.

Only the REAL Holy Spirit Comes from GOD and Can Only be Given by GOD.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

But the fake spirit brings nothing but:

Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like...

Todd Bently anyone?? That is a good example of the kundalini spirit and it's operating power: It is a wicked and an agressive spirit that forces and multiplies itself upon you and over you. i.e.: produces convulsions, rapid uncontrolled jerkings and involuntary rapid and uncontrolled movement of body members beyond your own self control etc etc.. and that is most certainly not of GOD! It is dangerous!

Jari, God is about to Reveal something to you.

 

[Brad Huber]

If its from the Holy Spirit, it wont disagree with what scripture teaches, but yes, there are "other" spirits out there trying to play the part. Just compare what comes to you in spirit to what scripture teaches and if it agrees, then its from God, and if it doesnt, its from an evil spirit.

 

[jari]

Only the REAL Holy Spirit Comes from GOD and Can Only be Given by GOD.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

and what if the devil gives spirit takes fakes these ?

Jari, God is about to Reveal something to you.

and that is?

 

[DutchChristian]

and what if the devil gives spirit takes fakes these ?

No one can produce the Fruit of the Spirit but God and the good fruit comes from abiding in the Vine The Lord Jesus Christ.

John 15
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in Me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in Me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without Me ye can do nothing.

And:

Matthew 7
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Have faith Jari.

God is Good!

Luke 11
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

Ask Him! Trust Him!


ps kundalini is pictured as a coiling seducing snake and biting serpent but the Holy Spirit is pictured as a harmless Dove! you see the difference?

 

[jari]

Im still very confused.. how do we know the spirit we ask for is from God.

 

[DutchChristian]

Im still very confused.. how do we know the spirit we ask for is from God.

Dear Jari,

You ask by Faith, Trust Him!

Luke 11
9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

Ask by faith and Trust in your Father, GOD Can Give you the Holy Spirit directly to you without any man laying his hands on you nor going to church to get the Holy Spirit but by asking Him and you got to have faith and believe Him He is Always Faithful even far beyond we can comprehend amen!

Surrender all of yourself to GOD and Receive The HOLY GHOST

GOD is GOOD Hallelujah!

 

[jari]

but how do you know the spirit you receive is from God?

do you think those people whom you claim to have some foul spirit did not pray to Jesus or attend service of ministers of Jesus Christ?

 

[DutchChristian]

but how do you know the spirit you receive is from God?

spirit can mean person too, by looking at the fruit (Matthew 7:16) By checking / comparing with Scripture. And the Spirit (capital S Spirit) Spirit of GOD you receive by faith and the Holy Spirit Will always bring all glory to Jesus always! Giving you Peace.

do you think those people whom you claim to have some foul spirit did not pray to Jesus or attend service of ministers of Jesus Christ?

The ones i refer to are possessed by an unclean spirit they probably prayed to another jesus and indeed did attend unbeknownst to them a service with ministers of the devil. Unfortunately these people are deceived (also by following after signs powers and wonders) and are not going by the Scripture. and remember we are not fighting against flesh and blood:

Ephesians 6
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

This is a wicked force that is sucking them and mesmerizing them, serpents charm and are cunning.

Do not forget:

Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 10
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Luke 10
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

Acts 20
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

And finally:

1 John 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

satan is a deceiver! Remember he wants to be like god himself.... he comes to steal the things of GOD

John 10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.


There is only One Real HOLY SPIRIT and it is HOLY HOLY HOLY it is the Spirit of GOD and Will ALWAYS bring and give all Glory to GOD and Give Peace (except if you sin). (and not give glory to or after signs and wonders and self -man itself; like these other spirit kundalini does) But is focused on binging all the Glory to GOD and never to man.

Matthew 3
16 And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him:

GOD is The Author of Peace and not of confusion

1 Corinthians 14
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Hallelujah Glory to GOD!

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Hi jari,
I think what your going through is normal and perhaps even necessary.
I feel that way sometimes after I find I have been in error over something I had considered important.
I wonder why the Spirit let me stay ignorant to certain things for so long.

When we are diligent to study and pray we will advance in our understanding
and we will constantly have to adjust our beliefs.
Sometimes trials and sorrow or depression can make you feel really
lost when that may not be the case at all.

Luke 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone?
or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luke 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luke 11:13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

I have to have faith that at least one of the voices is from God and that the Holy Spirit is
going to be working on the most important things to change in my life first.
Many many of my most pressing questions seem to never get answered while it seems like the Spirit is trying to get me to see things I never considered before.

I think there is just so much that we can't see and so many layers of deception that
the Spirit is in no hurry to reveal everything at once.He has to peel back layers one at a time and often we resist out of ignorance.
I know the Spirit has shown me things I did not want to believe or see and I have said to the Spirit"get thee behind me Satan" more than once.

When ever I feel something is being revealed about the power of love or about life in Christ that is when I try to pay more attention.Other than that I pretty much go through cycles of what you are experiencing every once in a while and I just have to stumble along until the Spirit that I seem to be lacking gives me clarity.

 

[rizen1]

This is where discernment comes in and us knowing scripture. We can trust God, but if we don't know the scriptures any devil can come in God's name and lead us astray. I’ve met devils who believe in Jesus. I've sat in bible study where the demon possess individual interpretation of scripture was more on point than others. We would never know, and that's why Jesus had to send the Helper.

Jesus Promises Another Helper

15 “If you love Me, keep[d] My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. John 14:15-18

God's Holy Spirit is the revealer of all truth. We both know the enemy we are up against (Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.)

So we have to test all things (doctrines, other christians, pastors etc. ) 1 Thessalonians 5:21

1 Timothy 4

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

4 Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared,

3 Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth

In today's churches there is more tradition than truth. No one questions anything so I applaud you in being honest with yourself, and sharing it. Someone might be going through the same thing and afraid to ask, because they might be deemed unsaved.

The only bullet proof method I can give you is testing everything with scripture. Forget what man says search the scripture and allow God's Holy Spirit to reveal his truth. Test even what I say to you.

Test all things


1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
King James Version (KJV)
19 Quench not the Spirit.20 Despise not prophesyings.21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Importance of scripture


2 Tim 3:16. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good works.

How to condition yourself to not be deceived.


Ephesians 6:10-18

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

10 Finally, brethren, be strengthened in the Lord, and in the might of his power.

11 Put you on the armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the deceits of the devil.

12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.

13 Therefore take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand in all things perfect.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of justice,

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace:

16 In all things taking the shield of faith, wherewith you may be able to extinguish all the fiery darts of the most wicked one.

17 And take unto you the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God).

18 By all prayer and supplication praying at all times in the spirit; and in the same watching with all instance and supplication for all the saints:

The Gift of His Peace



25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,[e] ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.


Fellowship/ Accountability
If a person is not humble steps 1-4 is meaningless, their pride will blind them from the truth. We need each other for prayer and rebuke.

Fearing God

Having no fear for God would be a huge tell tale sign of an individual who is operating in another spirit.
Prov 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[jari]

This is where discernment comes in and us knowing scripture. We can trust God, but if we don't know the scriptures any devil can come in God's name and lead us astray. I’ve met devils who believe in Jesus. I've sat in bible study where the demon possess individual interpretation of scripture was more on point than others. We would never know, and that's why Jesus had to send the Helper.

why you say that person was demon posessed?

 

[DutchChristian]

Fearing God

Having no fear for God would be a huge tell tale sign of an individual who is operating in another spirit.
Prov 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Amen dear sister, i like that one.

And here is another one:

Of hating evil and sin and especially not wanting to sin themselves being afraid of offending God amen and amen

1 John 3
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This is also a sign of a Holy Spirit filled and true child of God he cannot sin, he hates it! Because he wants to be pleasing to GOD!


And only for the Wheat, here is another one for you:

By their conversation, overall it will involve praise towards God.

Hallelujah GLORY TO GOD!

People without the Holy Spirit they do not like to hear it nor do they like to read it, and also they do not hear us.

John 8
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

1 John 4
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Now these and comparing with Scripture are all methods that can all be used in discernment together, and if you as a real child of GOD ever get sick or dizzy when you encounter someone first or speak with someone then you know that that person most probably is not of GOD.

 

[jari]

dutch you are not perfect.. i hope you realize that one day. i know you want to condemn me, because you havent been able to help me, so that you feel good about your self. but try looking into the mirror some day ok?

 

[DutchChristian]

dutch you are not perfect.. i hope you realize that one day. i know you want to condemn me, because you havent been able to help me, so that you feel good about your self. but try looking into the mirror some day ok?

Jari, i know that i am not perfect please know that i am not here to condemn you but to help you and that by HIS Grace and through HIS Grace.

i let your eyes be opened now unto the false in Jesus Name and so from now on you will be able to see what i meant with it.

 

[Daniel Symmons]

Hi Jara,

Reading through your conversations here, it seems that you are struggling with some deep questions about discerning what is of God and what is not. There is a lot of good advice in the responses and everyone is reaching out to you. A running theme seems to be that when struggling in this way, the best thing to do is to focus on Jesus.

Hey, it is Christmas day after all and the whole point of Christ becoming one of us was so that He could reach out to us in a way we could understand and rescue us. If you are filled by the Holy Spirit, He will feel and behave as Christ did when He was amongst us. If you are filled with an evil Spirit it just cannot feel like Christ!

But I hear something else in your first post. You are 'very down', you say. Is there anything more you feel comfortable sharing about why you are feeling so low?

I am praying for you now, that you may find peace in prayerful contemplation of Jesus who loves you utterly even unto laying down His life for you and for me!

Pray for me also if you feel able for I too can be subject to doubts and depression.

Yours Daniel

 

[jari]

I've been thinking that if you pray to Jesus and ask spirit it must be Holy spirit that you receive or otherwise no one would really ever know what spirit they receive and satan cannot intervene. or is there room for error?

in bible i think they had no problem with that. though like 1 John 4:1 says believe not every spirit.

Daniel . i don't know how to describe it..

 

[Fragrant Grace]

He hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Hebrews 13:5

Dear Brother Jari

Rather than focussing on your doubts which can spin you round in circles....Focus on the wonderful promises of our Lord, they can never fail you.

That wicked liar satan will prod and prod at you, he wants you doubt and not believe. Tell satan to get lost.

You are the child of the King.
You are redeemed by His precious blood.

The Lord hath said 'I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee'


The immortal life within us can never be destroyed; the divine nature, which God the Holy Spirit has implanted, will never be trampled under foot
CH Spurgeon


Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Thee: because he trusteth in Thee.
Isaiah 26:3

 

[Daniel Symmons]

Are you down because of something you are going through or are you down because you down?

 

[jari]

Are you down because of something you are going through or are you down because you down?

i think its the not believing God would ever give me Holy spirit is what is putting me down.