Homosexuality is normal so it should not be considered wrong

[bbro3k]

Hi PrayerWarr1or takes courage to share that, thank you. But I'm glad you did and my heart goes out to you. I have a good friend who once confided to me challenges that he faced in his walk with Christ and I won't go into too much detail here but can tell you that one of them was of a similar nature.

Interestingly, he told me that through daily reading of the Word the Spirit of God completely removed the desire to commit all manner of carnality - including his sexual ones. Now that's not to say that he's perfect. However, the point is that from what he's told me the combination of God's Word and prayer has completely shifted my friend's focus from seeking pleasure for himself to seeking to please God. It's actually quite amazing to hear him talk about it.

So I would tell you to take heart and don't give up on God, His power is sufficient to carry you.

Re: the discussion as to whether one sin is worse than another please don't take offense. However, I listen to these sorts of back and forth discussions and wonder what is the point. After all, as Christians we know that which ever sin one commits, if we're actually walking in that sin we won't inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[Nkeze]

Dear Chad, you're such a teacher! More grace, and God keep you...

 

[RJ]

Hello RJ.

The context of my discussion was within the scope of the Christian walk.
The context of your discussion was based on the universal concept of sin,
unbelief and judgement.

Two different horses running in different races RJ.

I did state that I agreed with the bulk of your argument RJ but that I elevated
the sin of sexual immorality. This elevation of sexual immorality and not a 'laundry list'
of sin was purely in the context of the Christian life. Because the scripture in the
New Testament does place extra significance on this fundamental trait that blights
the human condition.

Although you do agree with the fundamentals of my argument you were interpretating
what I said. Then applying what I said in a more general sense to the world itself.
Which you then claimed that I needed to 'need to go back and read your Bible'.

The reason why I quoted the Pharisees was to highlight that there are specific human traits
which unchecked. Are far more catastrophic in the realm of life than many other types of
sin. We know that the Pharisees failed on the ground of unbelief in Jesus just like many other
folk. This is the generalized aspect of the fundamental sin of unbelief that the whole world
exhibits.

I agree but must highlight that the Pharisees moved beyond the fundamental unbelief
into an aggressive state of denial. Which is the state of blashemy of the Holy Spirit and
from this position the Pharisees had sealed their own fate. Salvation was impossible for the
Pharisees because their sin exceeded the parameters that God had instituted.

It is impossible for you RJ to deny that some types of sin carry a much firmer response
from God. This is plainly evident in the New Testament letters.

Here is the final argument I will offer RJ and this is only within the context of Christian
fellowship.

1 Corinthians 5:6
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with
the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the
destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

May I say RJ that the person above had not eaten a stolen chocolate bar while in
this assembly. The sin was sexual of course and notice the response from Paul.
Extreme consequences for a very great transgression. Not a slap on the wrist by
any means.

Yes, yes RJ, but you are referencing all sin in the general sense of disobedience.

I am referencing particular sin within the confines of the Christian life.

Persistence pays RJ,

Matthew 6:14
14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you,

The dynamic state of the Christian life, you will behave ultimately by what you really
believe. A Christian who does believe in Jesus will always strive to forgive all folk,
all their trespasses. Forgiveness is the foundation of our reconciled state, God grants
unconditional forgiveness to us all. So we respond hopefully with the same unconditional
forgiveness of every transgression that others commit.

• Either from my lack of explaning or your idea about sin causes us to fail in agreement.
• We are originally dead to sin and without Jesus forgiveness we are truly dead spiritually, no matter the sin.
• Jesus said the only unforgivable sin is unbelief. All other sins, big or small in mans eyes, have the same consequence, separation from God and spiritual death. If you don't believe and If you are perfect in all facits of spiritual life but, fail just one, let's say you are negative or doubtful, then you have failedin all aspects of the perfect spiritual life. If you are Orthodox Jew, and could possibly up hold all of the Mosaic law perfectly but don't believe in God's saving grace, you are dead spiritually.
• If you are a non-believer in this Grace and If you can somehow be perfect on all the standards that you say are required DHC but, do one of the very least of sins in you eyes, you are still lost in your sin. With out belief, it is sin...all sin...that ultimately separates you from God.
• God said if Christ is in you, you are a "Born Again" believer. When you die, God will not look at your sin, instead he will see Jesus in you and you will be saved for all eternity.
• If you die without Jesus in you, you are dead spiritually because God sees your sin.The sin, big or small in you eyes, will cause you to be separated from God for all eternity.

 

[DHC]

• Either from my lack of explaning or your idea about sin causes us to fail in agreement.
• We are originally dead to sin and without Jesus forgiveness we are truly dead spiritually, no matter the sin.
• Jesus said the only unforgivable sin is unbelief. All other sins, big or small in mans eyes, have the same consequence, separation from God and spiritual death. If you don't believe and If you are perfect in all facits of spiritual life but, fail just one, let's say you are negative or doubtful, then you have failedin all aspects of the perfect spiritual life. If you are Orthodox Jew, and could possibly up hold all of the Mosaic law perfectly but don't believe in God's saving grace, you are dead spiritually.
• If you are a non-believer in this Grace and If you can somehow be perfect on all the standards that you say are required DHC but, do one of the very least of sins in you eyes, you are still lost in your sin. With out belief, it is sin...all sin...that ultimately separates you from God.
• God said if Christ is in you, you are a "Born Again" believer. When you die, God will not look at your sin, instead he will see Jesus in you and you will be saved for all eternity.
• If you die without Jesus in you, you are dead spiritually because God sees your sin.The sin, big or small in you eyes, will cause you to be separated from God for all eternity.

Hello RJ.
An interesting discussion so far and you have raised some good points. But there was a significant
delay in your last response, over three months RJ. I have some other matters to attend to that are
more significant at the present time. So if I am able to respond in the future I will, but I cannot respond
at this present time. Thank you RJ for your responses to date.