How Do I Put on the Armor of God?

[Twistie]

Whether i fully agree with a person or not. It is always important to give credit to a well stated message, and of course, recognizing the intent of the sender.

Twistie's words so often touching. Ploughboy digging into a point. Curtis deep resounding thought. Lentz challenging, searching. Jonathan (reminds me sometimes of Stephen, the first martyred Christian) it is a long list of people here, each contributing, and all getting a bit carried away. Lol

What would you expect from God's children. Lol

Lol

Twistie

 

[Christ4Ever]

Whether i fully agree with a person or not. It is always important to give credit to a well stated message, and of course, recognizing the intent of the sender.

Twistie's words so often touching. Ploughboy digging into a point. Curtis deep resounding thought. Lentz challenging, searching. Jonathan (reminds me sometimes of Stephen, the first martyred Christian) it is a long list of people here, each contributing, and all getting a bit carried away. Lol

What would you expect from God's children. Lol

Dear Bill,
Seems you've given them the credit for me.
Thanks.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[lentz]

45 Philip went to look for Nathanael and told him, "We have found the very person Moses and the prophets wrote about! His name is Jesus, the son of Joseph from Nazareth." 46 "Nazareth!" exclaimed Nathanael. "Can anything good come from Nazareth?" "Come and see for yourself," Philip replied. 47 As they approached, Jesus said, "Now here is a genuine son of Israel--a man of complete integrity." 48 "How do you know about me?" Nathanael asked. Jesus replied, "I could see you under the fig tree before Philip found you." 49 Then Nathanael exclaimed, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God--the King of Israel!" John 1:45-59 NLT

Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes. Ephesians 1:4 NLT

Oh, he knew Lentz that you were coming!!! Even before you decided you were going to walk up that hill and before your mom was even thinking of giving birth to you!!

We serve an awesome God, who is limited only by His own Holy Righteousness! Meaning, He cannot sin.

Think of God as having a scroll open that sees yesterday, today, and tomorrow all in the now. Then you will be open to scratching the surface to understanding the possibilities in Christ Jesus!



How do you know if the person who rejects Him is not the way another seeks Him?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Thank you brother for that.
The biggest problem for me,is why do so many have different interpretations of scriptures? I am sure a are sincere in their beliefs. And very adamant as well by the way.
I listen though to different teachers. They all have massive degrees in Hebrew,Latin,Greek,Texican,you name it. But none can agree. One will say in Hebrew,this means this. The others you listen to on same subject, no....it means this.
And that is why i seem to challenge people here. I dont want to be blown about by every wind of doctrine,i want to know the truth.
And though unlearnd as i am,i know i need to listens to others.
God bless

 

[Bill]

Thank you brother for that.
The biggest problem for me,is why do so many have different interpretations of scriptures? I am sure a are sincere in their beliefs. And very adamant as well by the way.
I listen though to different teachers. They all have massive degrees in Hebrew,Latin,Greek,Texican,you name it. But none can agree. One will say in Hebrew,this means this. The others you listen to on same subject, no....it means this.
And that is why i seem to challenge people here. I dont want to be blown about by every wind of doctrine,i want to know the truth.
And though unlearnd as i am,i know i need to listens to others.
God bless

To answer your question. Many would say, it is a persons backround, your upbringing, social circles, your church, etc. And even though all these answers would seem correct. I think there is one more aspect that needs to be said. For each person, Scripture resonates differently.

If i could be so bold, Scripture is like music, and everyone hears it just a little differently.

The core of everyones belief are all the same. God sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus shared His message for all. Jesus took our sins when dying on the cross, and opened the door for us to enter heaven.

They way we hear the scripture, and the way we understand it, is based on our maturity in the Lord.

 

[lentz]

To answer your question. Many would say, it is a persons backround, your upbringing, social circles, your church, etc. And even though all these answers would seem correct. I think there is one more aspect that needs to be said. For each person, Scripture resonates differently.

If i could be so bold, Scripture is like music, and everyone hears it just a little differently.

The core of everyones belief are all the same. God sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus shared His message for all. Jesus took our sins when dying on the cross, and opened the door for us to enter heaven.

They way we hear the scripture, and the way we understand it, is based on our maturity in the Lord.

Thank you Bill.
But......wouldnt the stage of maturity be,i guess the word would be,subjective?. Some arent as mature in the faith as they would like to think.

 

[Rhema]

Dear Rhema,
You don't believe that if God knew Jeremiah in this way, that He couldn't or hasn't done so with everyone or anyone of His choosing?

Anyone, yes, if He so desires. Everyone? That's going beyond what is written.

Should we go beyond what is written?

I find many doctrinal errors come from taking a single passage speaking about a specific issue and then expanding it into some general principle for which it was never intended.
Were God to have meant everyone, He would have said everyone. He did not.
In essence, then, we're putting our own ideas back into scripture if this becomes a common practice. And I truly don't think that is wise.

P.S. It's been a while but can you please let me know your Gender, so I can change your Bio to reflect the one you are. Thanks.

And what, do you want my pronouns too?

(Galatians 3:28 KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.​

I think for right now I would rather follow the above scripture.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Bill]

Thank you Bill.
But......wouldnt the stage of maturity be,i guess the word would be,subjective?. Some arent as mature in the faith as they would like to think.

It was maturity in faith i was thinking of.

In scriptures , if you recall Paul talks about those who are the meat eaters versus those who are only veggie eaters , and also those who can eat anything. This all pertains to your level of maturity of comprehention of not only Scripture but God.

In my own mind, i know that even with all my experience, where i am at now will be nothing compared to where i will be at in the future . So in my mind, i consider myself a veggie eater. There is so much more to grow into.

Of course you will meet many who will say they are meat eaters, but if the say that, then they are already telling you " they don't really ' know' anything". Lol

 

[Bill]

Anyone, yes, if He so desires. Everyone? That's going beyond what is written.

Should we go beyond what is written?

I find many doctrinal errors come from taking a single passage speaking about a specific issue and then expanding it into some general principle for which it was never intended.
Were God to have meant everyone, He would have said everyone. He did not.
In essence, then, we're putting our own ideas back into scripture if this becomes a common practice. And I truly don't think that is wise.


And what, do you want my pronouns too?

(Galatians 3:28 KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.​

I think for right now I would rather follow the above scripture.

Kindly,
Rhema

That was exactly why i loved reading Corey Tenboom's book, where she talks about reading scripture is like eating a candy bar. You don't sit there and try to figure out the ingredients well you're eating a candy bar.

( in reference to your comment "I find many doctrinal errors come from taking a single Passage speaking about a specific issue and then expanding on it into some General principle of which it was never intended")

Scripture was written in paragraphs. A great example of this is shown in Matthews Gosple, where he purposely writes in a manner to emphisize the words of Jesus.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Anyone, yes, if He so desires. Everyone? That's going beyond what is written.

Should we go beyond what is written?

Dear Person in Christ,
Truly think about what you have said here, in light of all Scripture and get back to me, because if you are saying that when He is talking to or directing it to a specific personage in His Word, and that any time He does this it should only apply to that person, we do have a problem. Think about the Gospels, and the Epistles and how they were written.

My answer to your question as it pertains to Jeremiah; is as long as it doesn't go beyond the pale and this does not, and the context to the whole doesn't say otherwise. But that is not the case here that we have a stand-alone verse, is it?

How about Psalm 22:9-10, 139:13, Job 31:15, or Galatians 1:15, and it goes on and on....

And what, do you want my pronouns too?

(Galatians 3:28 KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
I think for right now I would rather follow the above scripture.

You are welcome to provide your personal pronouns as well if you'd like, if that would make you happy.

Good Scripture reference you have used, however, there are separation of genders even in the NT for the roles of men & women. Here on Talk Jesus there are forums that are made to allow only certain gender to enter into for discussions. Men find it easier to talk with other men on certain subjects, as is the case with women. Talk Jesus allows for this to be the case. That is the sole purpose for knowing. It matters not to me which you are, however, I won't deny that I interact differently with each gender, though always in Love.

Note: I don't think Paul was ever married.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Sue D.]

Is it possible that when a person doesn't agree with a passage for whatever reason they want to go back to the original language to see what Is says-- just to find out that really means what it says. And , yes it Is dangerous to base a do- trine on one verse.

 

[Bill]

Is it possible that when a person doesn't agree with a passage for whatever reason they want to go back to the original language to see what Is says-- just to find out that really means what it says. And , yes it Is dangerous to base a do- trine on one verse.

I feel that where it becomes dangerous is when a person changes what scripture has already established to fit their own thinking.

An example I have is a priest that has gone off the deep end. He has started up his own church to accept homosexuals and everyone else and including not so much including the person and not the sin but accepting the sin as well as the person. And I had a talk with that man who said to me that Jesus did not give the keys of his church to Peter but he gave the keys of his church to John.

And the more we spoke the more twisted it got, and he was absolutely certain he was right.

 

[Bill]

 

[Twistie]

I feel that where it becomes dangerous is when a person changes what scripture has already established to fit their own thinking.

An example I have is a priest that has gone off the deep end. He has started up his own church to accept homosexuals and everyone else and including not so much including the person and not the sin but accepting the sin as well as the person. And I had a talk with that man who said to me that Jesus did not give the keys of his church to Peter but he gave the keys of his church to John.

And the more we spoke the more twisted it got, and he was absolutely certain he was right.

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

I feel that where it becomes dangerous is when a person changes what scripture has already established to fit their own thinking.

An example I have is a priest that has gone off the deep end. He has started up his own church to accept homosexuals and everyone else and including not so much including the person and not the sin but accepting the sin as well as the person. And I had a talk with that man who said to me that Jesus did not give the keys of his church to Peter but he gave the keys of his church to John.

And the more we spoke the more twisted it got, and he was absolutely certain he was right.

That's just horrible...

I've come to a point in Life that I just see that we all do what we r created to do... Even evil gotta do what it's gotta do..

Twistie

 

[Rhema]

we do have a problem.

I don't. I find it quite clear when God is laying down a general principle and speaking to a specific individual. Case in point...

(Mark 10:21 KJV) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.​

Have you sold everything and given it to the poor? Is everyone supposed to?

My answer to your question as it pertains to Jeremiah; is as long as it doesn't go beyond the pale and this does not, and the context to the whole doesn't say otherwise. But that is not the case here that we have a stand-alone verse, is it?

I would request that you reword your question. As it stands, there are semantic conflicts, and I would rather not answer a question that I don't understand.

(But aren't we quite off topic here?)

How about Psalm 22:9-10,

How could that possibly apply to everybody? The Muslim? The Hindu?

(Psalms 22:10 KJV) I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.​

Obviously not. God is not their God from the womb. (Or there would be no reason to evangelize, would there be?)

(Psalms 139:13 KJV) For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.​

I'm thinking you prefer a different translation.

(Psalms 139:13 NRSV) For it was you who formed my inward parts; you knit me together in my mother's womb.​

Does God create birth defects?

Exultations of religious exuberance (or ecstatic worship) truly should not be a bedrock foundation for the development of doctrine. Let's go back to your Psalm 22...

(Psalms 22:2 KJV) O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.​

God doesn't hear when you cry in the daytime? Or was the expression of the Psalmist for that particular moment in time in which he found himself to be? Or further still, most see this as a prophecy applying only to Jesus.

(Job 31:15 KJV) Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?​

Job's half insane here. Why do you think he knows what he's talking about? Wasn't Job chided by God after this outburst?

(Job 32:1 KJV) So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.​

The text directly says that Job was righteous in his own eyes. Wasn't he? It certainly does NOT say, "because they thought him righteous in his own eyes." Or is that verse wrong?

(Galatians 1:15 KJV) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,​

Does it please God to give miscarriages? When tossing scripture darts at the wall, just be cautious. DOES GOD CALL EVERYBODY BY HIS GRACE? I'm surprised to find out that you are a Universalist.

and it goes on and on....

You said it brother.... (it goes on and on)...

Talk Jesus allows for this to be the case. That is the sole purpose for knowing. It matters not to me which you are, however, I won't deny that I interact differently with each gender, though always in Love.

Well then we have no problems, since I'd never enter into those forums. And as I'm not your Lord, you'll have to deal with your own sexism, then.

(Matthew 12:50 KJV) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.​

Note: I don't think Paul was ever married.

What has that to do with me?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/not-Moderator
Rhema

So why the fish? (Rhetorical, of course, till the appropriate thread appears.)

 

[Christ4Ever]

we do have a problem.

I don't. I find it quite clear when God is laying down a general principle and speaking to a specific individual. Case in point...

(Mark 10:21 KJV) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Have you sold everything and given it to the poor? Is everyone supposed to?

Yet that is not what we're talking about is it? We are talking about God's ability to know all and not just for one as He chooses to as it pertains to the womb. Why should it surprise you that He would do so for more than just Jeremiah? Because He didn't say so? Which is what I believe you are saying.

The verses I added were only to show that His interaction/knowledge of children in the womb was not isolated to just Jeremiah and the breath of His knowledge is not limited by time or space, and certainly not by our own perceptions of a part of what He has shared with us in His Word in a specific instance. For your sake, why can't the principal and being specific to an individual be encompassed in the same verse when you know that His knowledge/interaction in the womb is evident throughout the entirety of His Word? Is it so difficult to extrapolate what God can do/know of His Creation, from what He has done with one verse to one person, to others not mentioned?

My God is awesome, fearful, loving and so much more that we require an eternity to actually know Him! He doesn't need that much time for us, for He already knows! Yes, and Amen!

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As far as your gender identification issues are concerned. I was really just looking for you to help a Brother out while also helping yourself, but I guess that's a no go. C’est la vie!

With the Love of Christ Jesus, Person.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Rhema]

We are talking about God's ability to know all

I will address this in a separate thread germane to the topic. Let me know when you create it.

( I find it a bit odd that a moderator would let a thread go so far off OP.)

The verses I added were only to show that His interaction/knowledge of children in the womb was not isolated to just Jeremiah and the breath of His knowledge is not limited by time or space,

See above, but I can assure you that you don't understand what time is.

( It you start a thread, maybe you can tell me.)

For your sake, why can't the principal and being specific to an individual be encompassed in the same verse when you know that His knowledge/interaction in the womb is evident throughout the entirety of His Word?

This is an incomplete sentence. If you are asking why an individual verse cannot encompass both instruction to a specific individual AND a principle, it can. But such is obvious in the semantic structure of the statement itself. The problem I find here is that you seem to think that that both are always encompassed in every passage. And to address that, I ask again...

(Mark 10:21 KJV) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.​

Have you sold everything and given it to the poor? Is everyone supposed to?

Is it so difficult to extrapolate what God can do/know of His Creation, from what He has done with one verse to one person, to others not mentioned?

Sure, let people fabricate whatever fiction they want, eh?

(See the definition of "extrapolate.")

Better yet, here it is.

extrapolate

1. to guess or think about what might happen using information that is already…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Note: "To GUESS...."

I am surprised that you would base doctrine on guesswork.

As far as your gender identification issues are concerned. I was really just looking for you to help a Brother out while also helping yourself, but I guess that's a no go. C’est la vie!

I gave you scripture... what did you give me?

Rhema

 

[Bill]

I don't. I find it quite clear when God is laying down a general principle and speaking to a specific individual. Case in point...

(Mark 10:21 KJV) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.​

Have you sold everything and given it to the poor? Is everyone supposed to?


I would request that you reword your question. As it stands, there are semantic conflicts, and I would rather not answer a question that I don't understand.

(But aren't we quite off topic here?)


How could that possibly apply to everybody? The Muslim? The Hindu?

(Psalms 22:10 KJV) I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.​

Obviously not. God is not their God from the womb. (Or there would be no reason to evangelize, would there be?)

(Psalms 139:13 KJV) For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.​

I'm thinking you prefer a different translation.

(Psalms 139:13 NRSV) For it was you who formed my inward parts; you knit me together in my mother's womb.​

Does God create birth defects?

Exultations of religious exuberance (or ecstatic worship) truly should not be a bedrock foundation for the development of doctrine. Let's go back to your Psalm 22...

(Psalms 22:2 KJV) O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.​

God doesn't hear when you cry in the daytime? Or was the expression of the Psalmist for that particular moment in time in which he found himself to be? Or further still, most see this as a prophecy applying only to Jesus.

(Job 31:15 KJV) Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?​

Job's half insane here. Why do you think he knows what he's talking about? Wasn't Job chided by God after this outburst?

(Job 32:1 KJV) So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.​

The text directly says that Job was righteous in his own eyes. Wasn't he? It certainly does NOT say, "because they thought him righteous in his own eyes." Or is that verse wrong?

(Galatians 1:15 KJV) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,​

Does it please God to give miscarriages? When tossing scripture darts at the wall, just be cautious. DOES GOD CALL EVERYBODY BY HIS GRACE? I'm surprised to find out that you are a Universalist.


You said it brother.... (it goes on and on)...


Well then we have no problems, since I'd never enter into those forums. And as I'm not your Lord, you'll have to deal with your own sexism, then.

(Matthew 12:50 KJV) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.​

What has that to do with me?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/not-Moderator
Rhema

So why the fish? (Rhetorical, of course, till the appropriate thread appears.)

I do not want to sound super pro-Catholic, just because i am one. But to answer your question. Many catholics, especially priests, brothers and nuns, over the years have done just that. Give up material items to live only by what God allows for them.

The Sisters of Charity, a modern group, still live this way. They are the Nuns started by Mother Teresa, who spent most of her life in India serving the poor and lame in that country.

 

[Bill]

There are many different types of spiritual warfare. Most commonly has to do with temptation, and how we deal with it. Other types of spiritual warfare include other people's sin, as well as the sin of society. Things like not being involved or going along with a bad joke because you are afraid to look like the fool. These are all forms of spiritual warfare.

Plainly spiritual warfare is the devil against your soul.

Don't jump into the conclusion that is a struggle between God and the devil over you that's just another deception of the devil making God look like it's equal to Satan.

Now we know, if God wanted to he could obliterate Satan and all the demons. But if he did that, if he coddles us in our spirituality, then we will never grow.

God wants us to grow up in our spirituality. And not become stagnant in our thinking. This is why the scripture is just the foundation, it is why Jesus is the Cornerstone and not the whole building.

Certainly we are to base our foundation on Jesus, but after that we can go all over the place with the foundation still being in Jesus, there are no limits to Faith.

The only limits that are there in faith are the limits that we set for God. It's when we put God in a box, it's then that we stop God from allowing us to grow deeper in him, and allowing us to grow into that oak tree into that great Beacon of light. For the candle that we are now is nothing compared to the beacon of light that we could become.

 

[Rhema]

I do not want to sound super pro-Catholic, just because i am one. But to answer your question. Many catholics, especially priests, brothers and nuns, over the years have done just that. Give up material items to live only by what God allows for them.

The Sisters of Charity, a modern group, still live this way. They are the Nuns started by Mother Teresa, who spent most of her life in India serving the poor and lame in that country.

Yet Bill, ... c'mon, that doesn't actually answer the question.

The focus was on whether such "giving everything you have to the poor" was a General Doctrine that must be applied to all believers. (Hopefully Nick answers that later.)

I have no problem that there are certain individuals to which such a teaching should apply, if only because Jesus precisely directed that "rich young ruler" to do so.

But I've seen some Christian Cults that take Acts 2:33,45; 4:32 to harmful extremes, denying that Christians can own ANY personal property despite what Peter actually said.

(Acts 2:44-45 DRB) And all they that believed were together and had all things common. Their possessions and goods they sold and divided them to all, according as every one had need.​

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(Acts 4:32 DRB) And the multitude of believers had but one heart and one soul. Neither did any one say that aught of the things which he possessed was his own: but all things were common unto them.​

Now the multitudes may have believed this, and even got swept up in the religious exuberance of it all, but it shouldn't trump the principle that Peter actually stated.

(Acts 5:4 DRB) Whilst it remained, did it not remain to thee? And after it was sold, was it not in thy power? Why hast thou conceived this thing in thy heart? Thou hast not lied to men, but to God.​

... who spent most of her life in India serving the poor and lame in that country.

Accounts conflict.

Respectfully yours,
Rhema

PS: Roman Catholic, Orthodox Catholic, or Oriental Catholic?