How long is the Tribulation period?

[Atonement]

I was asked in another thread how I knew the Tribulation was seven years long. Well I feel that I should answer this question to the best of my knowledge..



The Tribulation is generally thought to occur before the 2nd Coming off Jesus and the end of the world. It is theorized that each week represents 7 years, with the timetable beginning from the order by King Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. After 7 plus 62 weeks, the prophecy says that the messiah will be "cut off", which is taken to correspond to the death of Christ. This is seen as creating a break of indeterminate length in the timeline, with one week remaining to be fulfilled.
This seven-year week may be further divided into two periods of 3.5 years each, from the two 3.5-year periods in Daniel's prophecy where the last seven years are divided into two 3.5-year periods, (Daniel 9:27)The time period for these beliefs is also based on other passages: in the book of Daniel, "time, times, and half a time," interpreted as "a year, two years, and half a year," and the book of Revelation, "a thousand two hundred and threescore days" and "forty and two months" (the prophetic month averaging 30 days, hence 1260/30 = 42 months or 3.5 years). The 1290 days of Daniel 12:11, (rather than the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3), is thought to be the result of either a simple intercalary leap month adjustment, or due to further calculations related to the prophecy.

There are four things listed in Daniel's vision referenced in Daniel 8:9-14, and a time table given for those four things:
1. "the daily sacrifice"
2. "the rebellion that causes desolation"
3. "the surrender of the sanctuary"
4. "the host that will be trampled underfoot"
The time table is "2,300 evenings and mornings."
There are 2,550 days in the seven year period allocated by Daniel 9:27 for the Tribulation, but only "2,300 evenings and mornings" referenced in Daniel 8:14, for daily sacrifice.
This 250 day gap, or 8 1/2 months is the time that will be required for the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, after the Antichrist confirms the "covenant."

We operate under the Gregorian calendar of 365 days per year with a leap day every four years. 365 days time 7 years, plus one leap day totals 2,556 days.
Daniel operated under the lunar calendar of 12 periods with 30 days, totaling 360 days per year, with a leap month every 7 years. 360 days time 7 years, plus one leap month totals 2,550 days.
We will not know the day or hour for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, because if for no other reason, we do not know when the leap month will be applied.

But I am open to another view if one would like to try and explain better then what I can??

 

[Faith4Bride]

Hi there

the first half of tribulation is 3 1/2 years or 42 months

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

THEN the abomination of desolation happens and GREAT trib begins which lasts another 3 1/2 years or 42 months

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

this SECOND half of the tribulation the " great trib" beginning with the abomination of desolation is also confirmed in timing from here till the end by daniel

Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

THEN the trib ends and 45 days later the rapture/ ressurection happens according to daniel

Dan 12:12 Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end [be]: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

 

[cerebus]

The beginning of the Great Tribulation is marked by the parousia, the secret appearance of Christ in the clouds. On the earth it is marked by the antichrist's signing a covenant with Israel.

The second half of the Tribulation - which I suppose technically is the real Tribulation, since this is the beginning of persecution on the earth - is marked by antichrist's breaking the treaty on earth and beginning to persecute Israel and the church. In the heavens there is war between Christ and the raptured believers and Satan, where Satan is cast down to earth.

Apologies for not posting verses - all the verses posted above are accurate

 

[Solo]

The beginning of the Great Tribulation is marked by the parousia, the secret appearance of Christ in the clouds. On the earth it is marked by the antichrist's signing a covenant with Israel.

The second half of the Tribulation - which I suppose technically is the real Tribulation, since this is the beginning of persecution on the earth - is marked by antichrist's breaking the treaty on earth and beginning to persecute Israel and the church. In the heavens there is war between Christ and the raptured believers and Satan, where Satan is cast down to earth.

Apologies for not posting verses - all the verses posted above are accurate

Where is the "secret appearance of Christ in the clouds" recorded in Scripture?

 

[peteDXN]

The Tribulation

I am thankful I will have NO part in the tribulation----The next step for me is "The Coming of The LORD"-----(or be taken t0 Him in death)----The LORD HIMSELF shall come to take us to be with HIMSELF & not a blade of grass in all the burial places of the world will NOT be disturbed and we who are alive will just GO ---and NO chaos will be seen----The Saints Just Gone To Glory

 

[SaulC76]

Boy, there is a lot of confusion on this topic. The first step to understanding prophecy is: Forget all that you have read, seen or heard....EXCEPT THE BIBLE. There is no other touchstone for truth. Having said that...
About "the great tribulation" - according to Revelation those who "came out of" it (7:14) are "a great multitude which no man could number of all nations, kindreds, people and tongues" (7:14). No man could number? Does this sound like a 3 1/2 year period to you? We can number the amount of people on the globe right now! However, over the millenia, there is no way to number the saved.
Revelations goes on to say that "they shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more, neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters; and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." (7:16-17) An obvious picture of Heaven after this world has passed away. Read Revelations 21:1-4 for the same theme and the picture of "new Jerusalem." So, if you're not part of the "great tribulation" you will not go to heaven? ABSOLUTELY. Read carefully: "These (the multitude that no one could number) are they which came out of great tribulation AND have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Are you in tribulation? Have you washed yourself by Christ's blood? Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 show plenty of ways to undego tribulation. All of them have been present since Jesus was recognized as Christ. The Bible is stating that tribulation will be underway as soon as Christ ascended and Satan descended - Rev 12:12 "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth! for the devil is come down to you having great wrath, because he knoweth he hath but a short time."
Rapture? First, there is no word "rapture" in the Bible. Second, the idea that it is secret is not what the Bible teaches. Mt. 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven and then shall all of the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Again, Mark 13:26 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great glory". Again, Luke 21:27 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." Acts 1:11 "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up in heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." 2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, that the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." Where is the "secret rapture"? Fact is, it is nowhere found that Christ will secretly rapture anyone, nor that he will take believers from some "great tribulation". Why should He? This is totally out of character. Was Paul spared? Peter? Stephen? John? John the Baptist? The billions of people since the beginning of the world who have kept God and Christ's words? Jesus Himself? No. None were spared death, persecution or tribulation. Read Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, Romans 12:12, 2 Cor. 1:4, 2 Cor. 7:4 about "tribulation". Fact is, tribulation is glorious and edifying. How can you tell what kind of a person you are without going through trial? How can you tell if you're a Christian without it? Read the final beatitudes (Mt. 5:10-11) on persecutions.

 

[gotime]

Daniel

ok hear is how I see it

from the going forth of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.

this command is found in Ezra 7 and by Historical evidence we find this beginning date to be 457bc.

now there is seven sevens and sixty two sevens or in simple terms 7*7 and 62*7 now do the math, 7*7=49 which gives us the date 408 which is the year that Jerusalem was completed. then 62*7=434 to the anointed one.

ok follow with me here if we add 49 from the 7*7 with 434 from the 62*7 we end with a total of 483 now take this from 457 which is the beginning date and we are led to 27ad

now what happened in 27ad well in the book of Luke chapter 3 we find in the 15th year of the reign of tiberius Jesus was aninted by the Holy Spirit which in history comes to the date 27ad coincidenc? I think not.

ok so now we got a week left and we know that Jesus preached and tought around three years and check it out thee and one half years later in the year 31ad Jesus was crucified and thus put an end to sacrifices and offerings becasue His death was the new covanent. He was the sacrifice once for all. and 3and one half years after this in the year 34ad Stephen was stoned to death and saul became paul and he was a messenger to the gentiles. does it fit?

well yes 490 years in total were given to GOds people to repent starting in 457 and ending in 34ad. and they refused this mercy by the act of killing the onse Jesus had sent again. so GOd took saul and the message started going out to the gentiles. whereas before the prophets and deciples were told to go to the lost sheep of Isreal but no longer.

this is a really quick rundown hope it causes some exciting study sorry for the spelling but hey you get it. so yeah anyway I do not beleave this is about trib becasue it is past history but it does lead to something really exciting study and you will see really relevent to our day and this time.

Blessings all

 

[Jeffo]

I believe Jesus said that the days of great tribulation started with the temple was being destroyed, and the Jews being exiled to the nations.
Matthews GT, is lukes days of vengeance, and Jesus said they started back then and would continue until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled.

LK 21
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
"Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
"Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people;
and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

MATT 24
"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
"Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.
"Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.
"But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
"But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.
"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
"Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short

The GT is from then AD 70 -till he comes, which is why you cant count the number that come out of it in Rev 7.
Its been painful for the Jew in Exile and the Church ever since.

 

[EzHitman]

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From the Mountain, Book VIII<u1></u1>

Chapter Sixteen<u1></u1>

"A Thousand times hotter"<u1></u1>

"My Beloved Child, I am your Father in Heaven, yea Jehovah, Most High God. My Child, I have come to you today because of your tears, because of your sorrow and your pleas on behalf of this Earth and on behalf of all living and sentient creations. Yes, My Child, I know that what you have seen is overwhelming. I know that what you have been shown is unsettling. It is undermining to any sense of stability in a rapidly changing world."<u1></u1>
"Father, I am so grieved. On the one hand, the evil ones are out to utterly destroy this world and to kill every form of life. And, on the other hand, it seems that the entire cosmos is in such an erratic state that it, too, is set to wreak havoc of immeasurable proportions. Oh, Father, to see what is unfolding is devastating! It seems to rip a hole in my being and rivers of sorrow run from my soul! Oh, the unquenchable grief to behold what is at hand and to see the lackadaisical spirit of the masses! Oh, My Father, so much is happening on so many fronts and to the average person the reality of things seem bizarre. They do not seem real to them, but like bizarre fantasy and they do not believe."<u1></u1>
"And, My Child, save they wake up and come back to Me and My Son, save they make themselves worthy to harbor the Spirit of Truth, they shall not believe and they shall be further cut off. And, in their darkness, they shall perish."<u1></u1>
"Father, this is the dilemma and this is what makes me so sad! Oh, my heart weeps! My soul weeps!"<u1></u1>
"My Child, you have come to Me this morning asking for understanding of certain calamities, which are coming into the Earth."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father and I asked you if you would also make these revelations known to Your people."<u1></u1>
"Yes, My Child, you asked about the date of 2012 and the ancient knowledge of December 21^st and 22^nd of this year as the ‘end of Earth.’"<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father, I have wondered about this for some time and whether this date is more occult mumbo-jumbo. But, the more I learn of it, the more I read of it, the more I wonder if it is significant."<u1></u1>
"My Child, over and over I have told you that all is not set in stone; but that much depends upon the actions of mankind on this planet."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father, You have said these things."<u1></u1>
"Over and over, I have pleaded with you to repent; for through repentance you can change both the timing and the severity of the tide of these events."<u1></u1>
"Father, I know how You have pleaded for people to repent. I know how You have warned over and over of the terrible consequences of rebellion and I know how you have mercifully averted nuclear attacks on <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>America</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region> twice that I am aware of. But, Father, I tell You, and You know, that most churches are absolutely barren of Your Spirit. They are barren of Your miraculous hand. The preachers are full of pride, rebellion and mediocrity and they have chased Your Spirit out. And, Your Children have no place to go! They are turned out into the pastures and are bait for the rabid dogs of Satan. Oh, Father, I know what is happening. I see it, Father, and yet feel so helpless, so powerless to do one thing about it."<u1></u1>
"So, My Child, you look around and you see that rebellion is rampant and very few have listened. Very few have changed, but most have become all the more entrenched in the worldly."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father, I see this."<u1></u1>
"And, you know, My Child, that if the masses do not soon repent in great measures it will be too late to make a significant impact, to divert what is coming. For, when World War <st1:stockticker>III</st1:stockticker> gets underway, a string of destructive calamities will be unleashed upon the Earth, from which there will be no return, that is no return to a previous safe level."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father, and we are looking at World War <st1:stockticker>III</st1:stockticker>. You said that when Congress voted for this Iraqi war that we were entering a point of no return."<u1></u1>
"Yes, My Child, this is so because the vote of this assembly to start a world war, all for power and greed, without regard for life, will draw My ire upon this land and will indeed lead to an enemy attack upon <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>America</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region>. But, as I have made you see in previous words, at the time of the first nuclear strike, even before bombs hit <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>America</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region>, I will remove the Pure of Heart. I will remove those I find worthy to escape these things. Now, herein is the dilemma; for many consider themselves ‘worthy’ to escape these things, yet their lives are full of sin and their hearts are filled with unforgiveness. Their walks are shallow. Their prayer lives are almost non-existent and their token to me is a visit to church on Sunday. Yet, on their day of ‘fun in the sun’ they sing high praises to me. They clap. They shout. They dance. Oh, one would think that they are on fire for their god. But, I tell you, My Child, this is the strange fire, of which you have heard. This is the fire of the world! This is the spirit of deception. This is the anointing of the fake, the false and the phony. For, they chose to believe a lie, so I have given them a bigger lie. Yes, all would be wise to leave such groups. All would be wise to separate from such groups. Why? Because, My Little One, the strange fire is contagious! Oh, it can be all-consuming! It can burn hot and it can make one believe that it is real. But, do you know how one can always tell the presence a the strange fire?"<u1></u1>
"Because one leaves empty."<u1></u1>
"This is correct. One not only leaves empty, but one stays empty, always looking, always searching, always hoping to be filled. Those, who harbor the strange fire, will hop from one church to another. They will chase this meeting or that, always looking for a greater high, somewhat like junkies. But, what they are really seeking is deliverance. They are seeking deliverance from the strange fire."<u1></u1>
"Father, you mean deliverance from the spirit of the world?"<u1></u1>
"Exactly."<u1></u1>
"But, Father, to be free they must first realize that they have a problem."<u1></u1>
"Exactly."<u1></u1>
"And, most do not."<u1></u1>
"You are right, My Child, they do not. They are happy amidst the strange fire and they will perish therein. But, My Child, you see the dilemma; for these believe that they will be raptured out. They believe that they will not have to endure what is coming."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father, and this is but one more Satanic lie."<u1></u1>
"’Tis so, for this spirit of the world is but one huge demonic entity."<u1></u1>
"And, Father, it is so subtle. It is so utterly deceptive and few even suspect it."<u1></u1>
"This is so, My Child, but the very spirit is blinding. It is deafening. It incarcerates ones spirit and it cuts one off from the True Spirit of God."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father."<u1></u1>
"Now, My Child, you see the beginning of the great troubles for this country and for the world with the second attack on <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>Iraq</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region>."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father."<u1></u1>
"And, you see that it will lead to a nuclear attack on this country; for I shall not only allow it. I shall orchestrate it."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father."<u1></u1>
"And, you see that at the time of the first nuclear attack, I will remove the Pure of Heart."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father and some will return to this Earth with indestructible bodies and these are the Supernatural army of God."<u1></u1>
"They are."<u1></u1>
"But, Father, what then comes about is a world war?"<u1></u1>
"This is so."<u1></u1>
"But, Father, as the world war erupts, the Antichrist rises to power."<u1></u1>
"He does."<u1></u1>
"And, very soon the temple will be rebuilt in <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>Israel</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region> and the Antichrist will move to rule the world through <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>Israel</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region>?"<u1></u1>
"You are seeing the bid now. The <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>USA</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>Israel</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region> are out to take over all Arab states."<u1></u1>
"But, this is not going to work."<u1></u1>
"No, My Child, it will not work; but this is their plan. For, the fake Jews plan to rule the world through <st1:country-region><st1lace><st1:country-region><st1lace>Israel</st1lace></st1:country-region></st1lace></st1:country-region>."<u1></u1>
"And, the Christians are blind to it."<u1></u1>
"Remember the spirit of the world; for it will deceive many."<u1></u1>
"So, my Father, we have World War <st1:stockticker>III</st1:stockticker> and the destruction of many nations, all to set up an antichrist rule?"<u1></u1>
"You have seen it."<u1></u1>
"But, Father, the evil ones are killing this planet. With the HAARP, they are destroying the Earth. In addition, the evil ones are spraying the skies with diseases and chemicals. They are pouring out plagues to kill all life. They are fomenting wars. Father, if so much natural calamity is coming into the Earth, and these evil ones know of these things, why are they out to kill all life and to destroy this Earth?"<u1></u1>
"My Child, the evil ones know their fates. They know their rule is short and as far as they are concerned, if they cannot rule this planet like they have since the beginning, they will destroy it so that it will never sustain life again. They believe that they can enter other dimensions and live safely on other planets. But, I tell you, My Child, that they are sadly mistaken. For, in their fleeing crafts, they will be burned to a crisp."<u1></u1>
"So, Father, we have the Planet Niburu, which is returning …"<u1></u1>
"It is."<u1></u1>
"Between now and 2012."<u1></u1>
"Yes, this is so."<u1></u1>
"And, the passage of this planet will lead to the flipping of the Earth?"<u1></u1>
"It will."<u1></u1>
"But, this is not necessarily synonymous with the Pole Shift?"<u1></u1>
"Not as you understand it."<u1></u1>
"But, Father, You showed me today that at some point, for a very brief time, that the sun will burn 1,000 times hotter. But, this does not relate to the passing of this planet?"<u1></u1>
"It does not."<u1></u1>
"Father, will you tell others through these writings what you have told me about this?"<u1></u1>
"My Child, this phenomenon relates to cyclical patterns, which come from far away, even from what is called a central sun. Waves and ripples go out from this sun in patterns, which are often predictable, and you see them as sunspots. These waves and ripples from this central sun are moving forth into this sun in this solar system and they are effecting all life. As you have seen from pictures of the sun, certain passageways are being forced open within the sun, itself. The same applies to the Earth and to many, many points within this solar system. Within the heart of the sun is a very large door and this door has been blown open by a large influx of energies, which are entering through it. Because this door is now open, it is leading to violent activity on the sun. My Little One, what this violent activity of the sun does is to effect all life. Its effect on life can be positive or negative, all depending on the basic mindset of a person. If one is drawn to Me and My Son and lives according to My laws, this added influx can serve as a spiritual impetus, driving one closer to Me, …sort of like a booster rocket, if you will. But, if one’s heart is evil, or if one is lost, this added impetus can excite one toward more evil, toward an explosive nature, toward more experimenting with the occult. For, this added energy excites the energy, which is already inside. See?"<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father."<u1></u1>
"So, My Child, as I showed you, energy from this central sun is traveling into this system via the very large door within the heart of the sun and it is accelerating what already is there and darkness will be accelerated toward destruction and light accelerated toward its source. Understand?"<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father."<u1></u1>
"Now, as I have shown you, at some point in time, a final wave will rush through the very heart of this sun. You have seen the date as it has been written millennia ago, … December 21^st and 22^nd, 2012."<u1></u1>
"Yes, my Father, and my question has been, ‘Is this so?’"<u1></u1>
"And, My answer to you is this. If mankind continues in the same destructive course without serious repentance, this will come to pass."<u1></u1>
"And, Father, I do not wish to be negative, but to deal in reality and I just do not see people repenting and getting real."<u1></u1>
"I tell you, My Child, that you are entering a point of no return with World War <st1:stockticker>III</st1:stockticker> and after a certain point, it will be impossible to stop this progression of events."<u1></u1>
"And, with this so, Father, the Earth will not only be flooded when it is turned upside down. It will be burned by this final wave of energy, which comes through this door in the center of our sun and even though this heat will be for only a short time, it will burn up most life."<u1></u1>
"It will. For, the sun will surely become a thousand times hotter. My Child, you know that save people repent in large numbers, and save this comes to pass very soon, these terrible calamities shall not be averted, or stopped. My Little One, put as next chapter and also on the next ‘Message for You." With this, we shall stop for today. I am your Father in Heaven, yea Jehovah, Most High God."<u1></u1>

As witnessed, dictated and recorded this 5^th day of December, 2002,
Linda Newkirk

 

[EzHitman]

This earth will ascend to the 4th Dimension much later but first the souls of the pure of heart or those that care for earth and people will, their souls will shift to the 4th dimension but will live in a 3rd Density/Dimensional body for the time. 2012 is about ascension and cleansing of evil.

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

Question: "What is the Tribulation? How do we know the Tribulation will last seven years?"



Answer: The Tribulation is a future 7-year period of time when God will finish His punishment of national Israel and at the same time judge the unbelieving world. The Church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will Not be present during this time on earth. The Church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The Church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the Tribulation is referred to by other names such as:



1) The Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Joel 1:15, 2:1, 11, 31, 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2)

2) trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1)

3) Great Tribulation which refers to the most intense second half of the 7-year period (Matthew 24:21)

4) time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15)

5) time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7)



An understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is necessary in order to understand the purpose and time of the Tribulation. This passage in Daniel speaks of 70 weeks that have been declared against "your people." Daniel's "people" are the Jews, the nation of Israel, and what Daniel 9:24 speaks of is a period of time that God has given to: "to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place." God declares that "70 weeks" will fulfill all these things. It is important to understand that when "70 weeks" is mentioned, it is NOT speaking of a week as we know it (7 days). The Hebrew word (heptad) translated as week in Daniel 9:24-27 literally means "7" and 70 weeks literally means 70 sevens (70 times 7). This time period of which God speaks is actually 70 sevens of years, or 490 years. This is confirmed by another part of this passage in Daniel. In verses 25 and 26, Daniel is told that the Messiah will be cut off "7 weeks and 62 weeks" (69 weeks total) beginning with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens of years (483 years) after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cutoff. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified. Most Christian scholars, regardless of their view of eschatology (future things/events), have the above understanding of Daniel's 70 weeks.



With 483 years having passed from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the cutting off of the Messiah, this leaves 1 seven (7 years) to be fulfilled in terms of Daniel 9:24: "to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place." This final 7-year period is known as the Tribulation period--it is a time when God finishes judging Israel for their sin.



Daniel 9:27 gives a few highlights of the 7-year Tribulation period. Daniel 9:27 says, "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." The person of whom this verse speaks is the person Jesus calls the "abomination that makes desolate" (Matthew 24:15) and is called the beast in Revelation 13. Daniel 9:27 says that the beast will make a covenant for 1 week (7 years), but in the middle of this week (3 1/2 years into the Tribulation), he will break the covenant, putting a stop to sacrifice and grain offering. Revelation 13 explains that the beast will place an image of himself in the temple and require the world to worship him. Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months, which is 3 1/2 years. Since Daniel 9:27 says that this will happen in the middle of the week, and Revelation 13:5 says that the beast will do this for a period of 42 months, it is easy to see that the total length of time is 84 months or 7 years. Also see Daniel 7:25 where the "time, times, and half a time" (time=1 year; times=2 years; half a time=1/2 year; total of 3 1/2 years) also refer to Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7-year Tribulation period when the "abomination that causes desolation" (the beast) will be in power.



For further references about the Tribulation, see Revelation 11:2-3 which speak of 1,260 days and 42 months and Daniel 12:11-12 which speaks of 1,290 days and 1,335 days, all of which have a reference to the midpoint of the Tribulation. The additional days in Daniel 12 may include the time at the end for the judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46) and time for the setting up of Christ's millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).

 

[Stephen1]

"What is the Tribulation? How do we know the Tribulation will last seven years?"

You have the correct rendering

The time frame of all unfulfilled visionary prophecy is still future. All fulfilled prophecy has been fulfilled through the end of the 69th week of the 70 weeks of years decreed for national Israel. A week of years is the Jewish “heptad”. Each year represents 360 literal prophetic days. This calculates to a 7 year period of time or 2,520 days. The 69 weeks of years represent a time period of 173,880 prophetic days or 483 years.

This time frame began at the decree to return and build the city Jerusalem from the Babylonian captivity (under Persian rule) in 445 B.C. 483 prophetic years lapsed in about 33 A.D. and the Lord was then cut off at His first coming. There is one “heptad” (one 7 year period) remaining for the completion of the decreed amount of total time of 490 years and this 7 year period is still future.

It is significant that the nation of unbelieving Israel is existing as an independent political entity in the Land of Israel today after many centuries of domination by the Gentiles and exile from their land. They are there to experience the 70th week decreed which is still pending.

The nation's continuous intransigence against God's providence and direction has resulted in the loss of His personal guidance. Israel is still in this condition at the present time. God's long term preservation of Israel's national identity is specifically for His ultimate plans.....not Israel's self-generated nationalism.

The years following the reign of Israel's prominent kings David and his son Solomon included political division of the nation and subsequent invasion and assimilation of ten of the tribes of Israel by the Assyrians. Successive dominance of the remainder of the nation followed by the three empires of neo-Babylon, Persia, and Grecia.

The neo-Babylonians conquered what was left of the remnant, took many captives, and relocated the population. It was under the rule of the next empire, Persia, that a remnant of Israel was allowed to return to the Land of Israel (445 B.C.). This began the count down of the 70 weeks of years (490 literal years). 483 years have lapsed with one 7 year period yet to be experienced by Israel after their second return from the nations of the Gentiles to the Land of Israel. [Daniel 9:24-27]

If the death of Jesus occurred around 33 A.D. then the following calculation can be made. The time lapse would be 444 calendar years to the first century from 445 B.C. plus 33 additional years to equal 477 years. The conversion factor for 360 day prophetic years can be calculated by dividing 365 by 360 which is 1.0138. Prophetic years are shorter so there are more of them included in the time frame of 477 calendar years.

There are 483.5826 (477 x 1.0138) prophetic years in the time frame. If one adjusts this result by leap year days, the final calculation is very close to 483 years (69 weeks of years). Daniel's vision of the time frame allows for this amount of time to lapse after which the Messiah Prince would be cut off and have nothing. The last segment of 7 years (1 week of years) is still yet future and requires Israel's return in part to the Land of Israel from the nations. This final 7 years will include future prophetic events leading up to the visible return of Israel's Messiah who is Jesus Christ.

The covenant of 70 weeks of years is described in the 9th chapter of Daniel. The Lord will confirm this covenant by executing the last 7 years including the 6 objectives for national Israel at the time of the end which is still pending. These objectives must be met for national Israel at that time since most of the nation has been in the state of unbelief. Some will turn and accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ.This peroid will be exactly 2,520 prophetic days long and there will be another 30 days and 45 days added. The Lord will turn on Satan's beast and his kingdom and destroy it during the 30 day period ending with the battle of Armageddon. The Lord will then appear to the world and gather all of the survivors of the 70th week and separate them for enterence into His kingdom during the next 45 days.

Satan and his fallen angelics are coming to the earth at the beginning of the 70th week and it will take the first 1,260 days for him to develop his kingdom in the Middle East including the invasion and occupation of Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount. He will also gain a large human following the will worship him as a god. He will then rule most of the Middle East for the next 1,260 days (42 months). The Lord will then force him and his followers to Armageddon and destroy his kingdom within 30 days.

There is nothing recorded in the scope of the visionary prophecy time frame presented in Scripture between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th. The end time frames of the O.T. visions of the prophets, the Lord’s discourse in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, and Revelation beginning in chapter 4 are all about the 70th week which is still pending. The Lord’s discourse concerning the time of the end is all focused upon the generation of national Israel that will be living during the 70th week. No known events on the earth are included in the time lapse between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th. There have been many attempts to find them or fit some in, but they are not there. All of the time lapse of last 2,000+ years up to this day is not in the visions.

His discourse is presented three times and all are focused upon the future 70th week. Luke has the armies of the “antichrist” (little horn, beast) surrounding Jerusalem and Matthew has the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place (temple mount). Luke does record the fate of the apostles in the first century (“before all of these things” – before the events of the future 70th week). Everything else is the same. There is no “70 A.D.” picture in the scope. 70 A.D. events occurred long after the 69th week and were certainly not part of the 70th which is still pending. The people of the prince that shall come were not the Romans in the first century, but will be the followers of the "antichrist" during the 70th week. The 6th king "position" that John sees, the king that "is", will be the little horn of Daniel's visions and not a Roman king in the first century. John sees the "things that shall be hearafter" .... the 70th week which is still pending.

The Lord also addresses the mystery kingdom of the Church (composed of a few Israelites and many Gentiles) in the parables of Matthew 25. His focus is on His “harpazo” which will separate professing Christianity into those that are ready and those that are not. The first (both dead and living together) will enter the heavenly dimension and the rest of the living will remain to experience the 70th week. Some of national Israel and the nations will repent and turn to the Lord during His hour of trial, most will not. Some of these will be martyrs and some will survive the period. The development of this mystery kingdom began at Pentecost and will culminate when the fullness of the Gentiles are added. He will then execute His "harpazo" and ensuing hour of trial.[Romans 11:25]

70 A.D. is not in the scope and this can be verified by comparing O.T. visions of the 70th week with the historical record of the Roman invasions of 70 A.D. They simply do not match up. There are many events in visionary prophecy that are not a reflection of 70 A.D. The 70th week is a defined time lapse of 7 years and this balance of unfulfilled prophecy will begin at the onset of the period and will then continue beyond the end of it. Neither is the Church in view in this scope of the 490 years which is composed of both Jew and Gentile. The Church has no national identity and is not in the scope on the earth during the time frame. The Church will be in heaven observing the events of the period and will return with the Lord at the end of it. Revelation switches back and forth from heaven to the earth during the period. The Church can be found in the heavenly state and identified as Revelation unfolds.

The precept of the time frame of the 70 weeks decreed for national Israel should be applied to all unfilled prophecy written in Scripture for accurate exegesis. All of the content of future events can be identified and fit exactly into this time frame. Most traditional interpretations do not incorporate this method of exegesis and all of them have difficulties that require some level of apologetics, selective allegory, contextual extraction, misapplication of Scriptures, and deliberate elimination. I would suggest the student of Bible prophecy test the precept of the 70 weeks decreed against all known Scriptural passages related to visionary prophecy. I will be glad to assist any one with reconciliations related to the pre-conceptions of other views.

 

[spirit1st]

Everything we see with our natual eyes will be destroyed 100%

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.



Everything on this planet is defiled by sin! it cannot be fixed it will be destroyed!

Nothing here is how HE made it! except Our Spirit once Born of God

 

[complete]

Where is the "secret appearance of Christ in the clouds" recorded in Scripture?

Revelation 1:7
'Behold, he cometh with clouds;'

Mathew 24:30/ Mark 13:26
'and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.'


Matthew 26:64

'Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power,
and coming in the clouds of heaven.'


Mark 14:62
'And Jesus said, I am:
and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power,
and coming in the clouds of heaven.'


1Thessalonians 4:17
'Then we which are alive andremain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.'

 

[Stephen1]

Satan's wrath is imputed by the Lord and will begin at the onset of the tribulation period through his beast, false, prophet, and human little horn, king of the northern Middle East. It is the Lord who will allow [use] Satan and the fallen angelics for His purposes of judging an unbelieving world. Since the world refuses to believe the truth about Him ..... He will give them the devil. And He will ultimately destroy satan in the process. [2Thessalonians 2:3-12; Revelation 12:12; 17:16-18; 20:10]

The tribulation period is the Lord's ..... the entire time frame ..... not just at the end of it as some think. Some place "God's" wrath at the end of the tribulation period, but this ending will be the Lord's turning on the beast and followers at the end of the period. [Revelation 3:10; 6:12-17; 16:1-16]

The day [time] of the Lord will come unexpectedly as a "thief" ..... no warnning, and will include His hour of trial [wrath against an unbelieving world] which will last for 2,550 days [7 years and 30 days]. This time frame will then extend for another 1,000 years when He will rule the earth from Jerusalem personally .... and then He will renovate the present heavens and earth with fire and eternity will begin. [Daniel 12] [2Peter 3:1-13]

The entire 70th week [7 years decreed for national Israel] of the tribulation period will be the Lord's wrath and "great tribulation" such as the world has never seen in human history. It will be His hour of trial, His coming judgment against all unbelief of those who follow the beast and the rest of humanity living at the time. A few will turn, repent, and will be saved ..... but most of the world will not just as it is today. They will not even turn under the Lord's unmitigated wrath of confusion, vexation, and destruction. [Matthew 24:21; Revelation 6:15-17; 9:20]

The time frame of the Lord's hour [time] of trial will come without warning .... the Lord will intervene as a "thief" and the world will be instantly plunged into the darkest and most terrifying period known to mankind. Few mortals will survive it. Those that do and are found believing will enter His millennial kingdom as mortals and they will populate His millennial kingdom on the earth. The body of Christ of today's church [those asleep and those living at the time] will be immortalized just before the day of the Lord begins. [Matthew 24:37-39; 1Thessalonians 5:2-3; Revelation 3:10; 18:4]

Those who become believers during the period of His wrath and are killed for their faith will be raised at the end of it and will rule with Him over a kingdom of mortals on the earth for 1,000 years. [Revelation 6:9-11; 14:13 .... these will join the pre-tribulation church [those on thrones] as revealed in Revelation 20:4].

 

[Boanerges]

How long is the Tribulation period?

How long? Entirely to long for those who do not know the Lord.

 

[MightyAngel1]

Boy, there is a lot of confusion on this topic.

Howdy SaulC76!

Yep, There sure is.

Saul--The first step to understanding prophecy is: Forget all that you have read, seen or heard....EXCEPT THE BIBLE. There is no other touchstone for truth.

Ok, But, Which one do you recommend? There are so many to choose from these days. You have the watered down version of the Truth. You have the diet Word of Truth. You have the slim Word of the Truth. And, You have the real mccoy. Which one do you recommend?

Saul--Having said that...
About "the great tribulation" - according to Revelation those who "came out of" it (7:14) are "a great multitude which no man could number of all nations, kindreds, people and tongues" (7:14). No man could number? Does this sound like a 3 1/2 year period to you?

Yep.

Saul--We can number the amount of people on the globe right now! However, over the millenia, there is no way to number the saved.

I really do not think anyone has really tried yet. But, with modern computers and a Government that has run amuck stating that we are no longer a Christian Nation on national televison, we might get an accurate figure in Germany.

Saul--Revelations goes on to say that "they shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more, neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters; and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." (7:16-17) An obvious picture of Heaven after this world has passed away. Read Revelations 21:1-4 for the same theme and the picture of "new Jerusalem."

Would you be so kind to tell me where the funeral of the world will be?

Sual--So, if you're not part of the "great tribulation" you will not go to heaven? ABSOLUTELY.

So, Getting the snot beat out of you by the antichrist prepares you for Heaven? Fascinating thought.

Saul--Read carefully: "These (the multitude that no one could number) are they which came out of great tribulation AND have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Are you in tribulation?

Yep, have been for years.

Saul--Have you washed yourself by Christ's blood?

Sure have and I did not have to add any bleach.

Saul--Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 show plenty of ways to undego tribulation. All of them have been present since Jesus was recognized as Christ. The Bible is stating that tribulation will be underway as soon as Christ ascended and Satan descended - Rev 12:12 "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth! for the devil is come down to you having great wrath, because he knoweth he hath but a short time."

Well, I will share this with you. On the farm, You can have one of my bulls chase you into a hot fence and I guarantee you this, You will have great tribulation until that bull gets tired of stomping you against the fence. You will be glad when he stops if you survive his stomp. Guaranteed.

Saul--Rapture? First, there is no word "rapture" in the Bible.

There isn't? Which Bible are you referring to?

Saul--Second, the idea that it is secret is not what the Bible teaches.

I am just curious. Do you know what a mystery is?

Saul--Mt. 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven and then shall all of the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Again, Mark 13:26 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great glory". Again, Luke 21:27 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory."

Wow. God says that in His word 3 times. God must really want to get somebody's attention.

Saul--Acts 1:11 "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up in heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

As I recall, Jesus did not leave this earth riding a white horse. Matter of fact, I am sure of that. Yet, The Book of Revelation shows Jesus leaving heaven riding a white horse.

I don't know anything about you, but you sound like a city slicker. Here on the farm, When you go up without a saddle and you return riding a horse, something was missing when you left.

Saul--2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, that the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." Where is the "secret rapture"?

Well, From the looks of things, Don't look like anyone is around to look for it.

Saul--Fact is, it is nowhere found that Christ will secretly rapture anyone, nor that he will take believers from some "great tribulation". Why should He? This is totally out of character.

Out of Character? Well, How would you know? Nobody can even see him.

Saul--Was Paul spared? Peter? Stephen? John? John the Baptist?

As I recall, Paul tells us that he with many other Apostles were made a spectacle before angels and men. Kinda makes you want to be a spectacle don't it?

Saul--The billions of people since the beginning of the world who have kept God and Christ's words?

Well, as I recall, in Noah's Day, There were only 8. And, No one knows the count right now. Except maybe for you? Looks like you've been countin.

Saul--Jesus Himself? No. None were spared death, persecution or tribulation. Read Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, Romans 12:12, 2 Cor. 1:4, 2 Cor. 7:4 about "tribulation".

You make death sound like fun. Kinda makes you wonder why most people run from death, don't it? If death is that fun, Why run from fun?

Saul--Fact is, tribulation is glorious and edifying. How can you tell what kind of a person you are without going through trial?

Well, Have you thought about asking your neighbor and saving yourself the trouble of getting beat up by a stranger?

Saul--How can you tell if you're a Christian without it?

Well, This one is easy. 1) You act like Christ. 2) You lay hands on yourself and begin speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives you utterance. Just like Acts 2. Someone does not need tribulation to tell them that.

Saul--Read the final beatitudes (Mt. 5:10-11) on persecutions.

Have you ever wondered why people purposely put themselves through pain and drama in life? It's like they have to have pain and drama in their life. Without any pain and drama, They are just plain miserable.

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

Daniel
9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come [the adherents of Islam] shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

9:27 And he [the Lord] shall confirm the covenant with many [the believing remnant part of Israel] for one week [the 70th week decreed for Daniel's people, national Israel]: and in the midst of the week he [the little horn/beast, king of the north will invade] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the king of the north and his followers].

12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life [just before and during the 70th week], and some to shame and everlasting contempt [at the end of the Lord's millennial kingdom on the earth].

12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished [note Daniel 11:36-44 .... the king of the north (the little horn/beast) will conquer many nations (strongholds) during the first 1,260 days of the 70th week and Israel will be successfully invaded at the middle of the period.

12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? [what will be Israel's fate as the result of the invasion? .... the nation will be occupied by the king of the north for 42 months [Revelation 11:2-3; 12:6; 13:5] .... 1260 days .... and then the Lord will drive him out and destroy him and his followers at Armageddon .... Micah 5; Revelation 16]

12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up [at the middle of the 70th week], there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. [last 1260 days of the 70th week .... + 30 days in which the Lord will turn on the king of the north and his followers which will consumate in the battle of Armageddon

12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. [This additional 45 days will involve the Lord's gathering and separating of the surviving mortals of the tribulation period and those found believing will enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom on the earth .... Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46]

12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

 

[MightyAngel1]

Daniel
9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Howdy Stephen1!

Fascinating prophecy isn't?

Stephen1--9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come [the adherents of Islam] shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

In 70 AD, The Roman Army pillaged the City of Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple of Herod, massacred over 1 million Jews, and the remaining surviving Jews were scattered world wide.

Secondly, A Roman soldier bowed his knee to none other than the Roman Emperor. If a Roman Soldier was found in violation of this allegiance, He was killed in the Roman Theater of Rome violently.

Stephen1--9:27 And he [the Lord] shall confirm the covenant with many [the believing remnant part of Israel] for one week [the 70th week decreed for Daniel's people, national Israel]: and in the midst of the week he [the little horn/beast, king of the north will invade] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the king of the north and his followers].

Can someone tell me how Jesus Christ confirms a covenant with a the Seed of Jacob multiplied as the dust of the earth who are blinded to the Truth of the Gospel of the Kingdom? See Romans 11:8 and 2 Thessalonians 5:5b.

Do you see this? The Seed of Jacob multiplied as the dust of the earth are the children of darkness who enter into the Tribulation period and sign the peace of covenant of Daniel 9:27a with the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

The Bible identifies this Covenant of Daniel 9:27a as a Covenant of Death in Isaiah 28:15. How does God confirm a Covenant of death with many that do not even accept Jesus Christ as Messiah? I really do not think you know your audience here my friend. I think you are guessing.

Stephen1--12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Sounds just like Revelation 14:14-21 doesn't it. The final Therizo of the panagureis occurring about midway of the Tribulation period.

Stephen1--12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life [just before and during the 70th week], and some to shame and everlasting contempt [at the end of the Lord's millennial kingdom on the earth].

Nope. This passage is describing the fulfillment of Genesis 49:10 shown in Matthew 24:31 after the Tribulation of those days, see Matthew 24:29, and Zechariah 14:4-5. Also Leviticus 24:27 and Leviticus 16:30-33.

Stephen1--12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Oh the Power of God working through the Seed of Isaac multiplied as the stars of the Heaven.

Stephen1--12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Nahum 2:4 The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.

Hmmm. Knowledge shall increase in the latter days. Sounds just like by 97 Camaro with a 6 speed on the floor.

Stephen1--12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished [note Daniel 11:36-44 .... the king of the north (the little horn/beast) will conquer many nations (strongholds) during the first 1,260 days of the 70th week and Israel will be successfully invaded at the middle of the period.

Sounds like Daniel 12:7 is describing Revelation 13:7 to me. The Antichrist makes war with the panagureis and overcomes them for a time, times, and a half, i.e. the last 42 months of Daniel's 70th Week.

Stephen1--12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? [what will be Israel's fate as the result of the invasion? .... the nation will be occupied by the king of the north for 42 months [Revelation 11:2-3; 12:6; 13:5] .... 1260 days .... and then the Lord will drive him out and destroy him and his followers at Armageddon .... Micah 5; Revelation 16]

For the Lord to drive him out of Jerusalem is an indication that the Lord is in Jerusalem with the antichrist. Nope.

Stephen1--12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

For Centuries, Christians could not understand End Time Bible Prophecy until Israel became a Nation by the point of reference of 1948. The Precise date was May 14 at 4 pm.

Stephen1--12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

The wise will be those believers who study the Law of God. Those who do not study the Law of God will not be very wise. See Psalm 19:7.

12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up [at the middle of the 70th week], there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. [last 1260 days of the 70th week .... + 30 days in which the Lord will turn on the king of the north and his followers which will consumate in the battle of Armageddon

You said...last 1260 days of the 70th week....+ 30 days is correct. I agree with you. But, What you say next I do not agree.

The Battle of Armageddon is fought immediately after the Tribulation of those days. The 75 Day Gap of Daniel here consists of 2 events.

1) The Judgment of the Nations. 30 Days. Matthew 25:31-46.
2) The preparations for the Millennial Reign of Christ. 45 Days.

Stephen1--12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. [This additional 45 days will involve the Lord's gathering and separating of the surviving mortals of the tribulation period and those found believing will enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom on the earth .... Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46]

See my points above.

Stephen--12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Daniel will be resurrected in Matthew 24:31. See Daniel 12:2. And, He will stand with his fellow brethren when Christ fulfills the Feast of the Great Day of Atonement after the Battle of Armageddon.

Then The Prophecy of Luke 1:32-33 will come to pass, see Daniel 7:13-14, and God the Father will give to His Son Jesus Christ the Throne of His Father David in the City of Jerusalem immediately after the fulfillment of Zechariah 14:4, and Psalm 24:7-11.

Then Matthew 25:31-46 occurs for 30 days.

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

MA1,

A few agreements between us , but not many

The visions of the Bible prophets all have a breach between the end of the 69th week decreed [about 33 A.D.] and the beginning of the 70th week .... which is still future

There is also a breach between the invasion of Israel at the middle of the 70th week and the battle of Armageddon as presented in Ezekiel 38,39

One must learn the structure of prophetic style in order to render the correct meanings

The covenant in Daniel 9 is the 70 weeks of years decreed given within the context of the chapter [not some sort of false peace agreement between Israel and the nation's enemies] .... it is the Lord who will confirm this covenant it by executing the 70th week and reaching the 6 objectives for the believing remnant part of national Israel

.... the other prince will come to desecrate

Nothing of the past 2,000 years is recorded in the visions of the Bible prophets .... and certainly not Rome and 70 A.D.

The people of the prince that shall come were not the Romans in the first century, but they will be the followers of satan's beast [Abaddon-Apollyon in the little horn .... the king of the north] at the coming time of the end

And it is the Lord Himself who will move against this king of the north and his followers and route them from Jerusalem just as Micah 5 tells ... He will drive the Assyrian out and destroy him

You have a fairly good understanding of the prophetic scriptures, but you are far too presumptious with your evaluations of another .... a haughty and condescending demeanor shows and is evident

Humble yourself, seek the Lord's guidance, and continue your studies with pure motive .... no self seeking gain

If you do this He will withhold nothing from your understanding within His limitations