How to be pro-life in Biden's america

[Hekuran]

Interesting piece from David French's The Dispatch...

The longer I’ve been engaged in the quest to eliminate abortion from the United States of America, the more I’ve become convinced that the core challenge rests not on the supply side—the availability of legal abortion access—but rather on the demand side. In other words, a nation or state that wants legal abortion will have legal abortion. And even in a nation or state that severely restricts abortion access, women who want abortion will find a way.

In fact, I’d argue that the best explanation for the long-term decline in the abortion rate is primarily decreased demand. The available data indicates that America’s abortion rate is now lower than it was when Roe was decided, when abortion was illegal in most American states.

Though there is evidence that the abortion rate increased slightly in 2018 (reporting on abortion rates tends to take time), the long-term trend is deeply encouraging. After an initial and expected surge in abortion rates after Roe legalized abortion from coast-to-coast, the rate has declined through every single American presidency, pro-life and pro-choice.

The bottom line is clear—there is no reason for pro-life Americans to simply presume this forty-year positive trend will change and every reason to believe that the most effective forms of pro-life engagement can and will continue, even under a Biden presidency.

How To Be Pro-Life in Joe Biden’s America

The most effective avenues to preserve life still remain.

frenchpress.thedispatch.com

 

[Brad Huber]

So, let sin against the innocent be given free reign so that it will decrease? Is this your thoughts?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

rests not on the supply side—the availability of legal abortion access—but rather on the demand side. In other words, a nation or state that wants legal abortion will have legal abortion. And even in a nation or state that severely restricts abortion access, women who want abortion will find a way.

And so they will. One "Argument" for medically assisted abortion is that it's safer for the murderer. We the People of the United States of America APPRECIATE the ability to get rid of unwanted pregnancies in a convenient, and economical fashion.

Of course the solution is dirt simple. My wife and I didn't murder our unborn babies, and so I have children. My Children didn't murder their unborn babies, and so I have Grand-Children. My Grand children didn't murder their unborn babies, and so I have great grand children.

Simple as that. INCONVENIENT, and expensive, of course, but the right way nonetheless.

 

[Hekuran]

So, let sin against the innocent be given free reign so that it will decrease? Is this your thoughts?

No. The article is very clear that addressing the demand for abortion is more effective than legislating against the supply in reducing the number of abortions.

I didn't copy the whole article, but you can follow the link and read the full argument.

 

[Reba1]

As if making alcohol legal stopped the number of alcoholics or how the normalization/legalization (Oregon Washington) of drugs has stopped the increases of junkies.

 

[Hekuran]

As if making alcohol legal stopped the number of alcoholics or how the normalization/legalization (Oregon Washington) of drugs has stopped the increases of junkies.

But the issue raised is that of reducing abortion rates, not substance abuse. It's certainly worth discussing ways of preventing drug abuse, but perhaps in another thread?

 

[Reba1]

But the issue raised is that of reducing abortion rates, not substance abuse. It's certainly worth discussing ways of preventing drug abuse, but perhaps in another thread?

We will disagree. i believe my point is valid to the topic of abortion you do not . No need to do the yes no yes no discussion. our opinions have been stated.

 

[Hekuran]

We will disagree. i believe my point is valid to the topic of abortion you do not . No need to do the yes no yes no discussion. our opinions have been stated.

Ok. But it is worth discussing this no? The article is not mine, it's from a conservative media outlet, The Dispatch. So if you can see something wrong with the analysis or the way he's interpreted the data -- or have a perspective that he's missed, it won't be a personal offence to me. Please do share.

 

[Gregoryp]

you have to call out sin, no matter whether it is declining or not. Your government has legalised the mass murder of innocent children, that should be enough to be yelling from the rooftops. Let alone the alphabet community, now theres a topic to be discussed.

 

[Hekuran]

So far nobody seems to be willing to engage in a conversation about the most effective ways of reducing the number of abortions.

 

[Reba1]

So far nobody seems to be willing to engage in a conversation about the most effective ways of reducing the number of abortions.

Really? Again i disagree. Seem more like you do not like/agree with what you are reading...
Yes i read the article

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

So far nobody seems to be willing to engage in a conversation about the most effective ways of reducing the number of abortions.

Let's talk brother.

I haven't read the article yet, but does it speak to addressing the demands such as having more services such as adoptions, etc?

 

[Hekuran]

Really? Again i disagree. Seem more like you do not like/agree with what you are reading...
Yes i read the article

What did you think of the writer's approach? Two things about it that I found helpful were

• that it addressed the practical political reality right now: though the Democrats are in power, and the pro-choice agenda has the upper hand, there is still much to be done to reduce the abortion rate
• it manages to address the issue in a way that avoids needlessly inflaming the culture war over reproductive rights

 

[Hekuran]

Let's talk brother.

I haven't read the article yet, but does it speak to addressing the demands such as having more services such as adoptions, etc?

He mentions adoptions and fostering, but only in passing. His main policy focus is on alleviating childhood poverty and the likely impact on driving down the number of abortions.

It also highlights some interesting and high-quality research on attitudes https://news.nd.edu/assets/395804/how_americans_understand_abortion_final_7_15_20.pdf on how Americans understand abortion.

 

[Reba1]

What i get from the article is the best way to curb murder is to not criminalize it. Abortion is murder as a country to approve of it is a blight. We as a nation have the innocent blood of over 60 million that have been offered as sacrifice to the god of self. Because abortion can be 'hidden" does not make it less then other murders, in some ways it is worse.
The part in the article putting a number on the number of abortions pre Woe v. wade, there is no way to know that number that is only a guess. Back to my point about drugs and alcohol making them legal does not stop the use .
The only difference between killing and unborn child and killing one who is 7 years old is the age of the child. I suggest close all the abortion clinics now make it the crime it truly is. Then start the re-education process . Look at how human life in general has been devalued Chomo sending sick folks to the old peoples homes. Kids murdering kids. Abortion is the spilling of innocents blood to the god of self.

 

[Hekuran]

What i get from the article is the best way to curb murder is to not criminalize it. Abortion is murder as a country to approve of it is a blight. We as a nation have the innocent blood of over 60 million that have been offered as sacrifice to the god of self. Because abortion can be 'hidden" does not make it less then other murders, in some ways it is worse.
The part in the article putting a number on the number of abortions pre Woe v. wade, there is no way to know that number that is only a guess. Back to my point about drugs and alcohol making them legal does not stop the use .
The only difference between killing and unborn child and killing one who is 7 years old is the age of the child. I suggest close all the abortion clinics now make it the crime it truly is. Then start the re-education process . Look at how human life in general has been devalued Chomo sending sick folks to the old peoples homes. Kids murdering kids. Abortion is the spilling of innocents blood to the god of self.

He doesn't say that abortion should be legalised. He argues that factors other than legislation are far more important in bringing down the rate of abortions.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

He mentions adoptions and fostering, but only in passing. His main policy focus is on alleviating childhood poverty and the likely impact on driving down the number of abortions.

It also highlights some interesting and high-quality research on attitudes https://news.nd.edu/assets/395804/how_americans_understand_abortion_final_7_15_20.pdf on how Americans understand abortion.

I've worked in social services where we worked to help children get adopted and aged out of the system independently so there are not homeless.
Currently I work as a mental health therapist.
Getting my doctorate in social work. I've been doing therapy for about 15 years now as a licensed professional (school based, community, now private practice).

I'm not in healthcare, but I would say that the adoption and fostering part is one issue which helps.
A bigger part I would say is the causal relationship people have with sex.

Often times when someone has an abortion it is because of an unwanted pregnancy. Often times people are dating or in a relationship that
they don't see themselves with that person long term. For example, I have a client who fortunately did not get an abortion but the son currently
does not know his father. Mother says that she was at a club, went dancing, got drunk, and woke up and found that some one had violated her.

A child was born and to this day she doesn't know who the father is. The child is now 13. That is a classic case in which most people would have gotten
an abortion. She is a white female, the father is someone of another ethnic group and she probably felt lost.

I think if society pushed stronger values it would help. For example in schools instead of teaching abstinence , they are teaching about various sexual preferences.
Honestly. In social services, instead of teaching the children about purity, they are teaching to question their sexual orientation and to experiment.
Seriously. These are policies that come from the government. Such policies can also be changed to promote better values.

I think it starts at homes, but also in communities, churches, neighborhoods. What are your thoughts on that?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

He doesn't say that abortion should be legalised. He argues that factors other than legislation are far more important in bringing down the rate of abortions.

I agree that social problems can benefit from a holistic approach.

 

[Hekuran]

I've worked in social services where we worked to help children get adopted and aged out of the system independently so there are not homeless.
Currently I work as a mental health therapist.
Getting my doctorate in social work. I've been doing therapy for about 15 years now as a licensed professional (school based, community, now private practice).

I'm not in healthcare, but I would say that the adoption and fostering part is one issue which helps.
A bigger part I would say is the causal relationship people have with sex.

Often times when someone has an abortion it is because of an unwanted pregnancy. Often times people are dating or in a relationship that
they don't see themselves with that person long term. For example, I have a client who fortunately did not get an abortion but the son currently
does not know his father. Mother says that she was at a club, went dancing, got drunk, and woke up and found that some one had violated her.

A child was born and to this day she doesn't know who the father is. The child is now 13. That is a classic case in which most people would have gotten
an abortion. She is a white female, the father is someone of another ethnic group and she probably felt lost.

I think if society pushed stronger values it would help. For example in schools instead of teaching abstinence , they are teaching about various sexual preferences.
Honestly. In social services, instead of teaching the children about purity, they are teaching to question their sexual orientation and to experiment.
Seriously. These are policies that come from the government. Such policies can also be changed to promote better values.

I think it starts at homes, but also in communities, churches, neighborhoods. What are your thoughts on that?

Thank you. Yes all of that makes sense.

Our societies are in a terrible state in regard to thinking about sex. Totally and horrible confused. At the same time it is idolized and cheapened. Thought of as both utterly frivolous and of overwhelming importance.

Sadly, I don't hear that much from the church at large to give a healthy perspective on sex and sexuality.

I didn't know you were a therapist. How long before I should address you as Dr Jesus is Lord?

 

[Reba1]

He doesn't say that abortion should be legalised. He argues that factors other than legislation are far more important in bringing down the rate of abortions.

of coarse not it already is. He does not say to stop it.