How to discern the true Christ and the false ones?

[B-A-C]

There have been so many threads and differing opinions abut who and what the "real" Jesus is here on TJ.
For me, it's not complicated.

There is 'a' Jesus - He wasn't always a god, but become a god (one of many). Earth is his planet. He himself wasn't
born on earth, and he isn't the "only begotten' son of God. He isn't really the creator. He somehow had sexual relations
with Mary Magdalene even though they weren't married.
-- This isn't the Jesus of the Bible, but he has millions of followers.

There is 'a' Jesus, that isn't God at all. (because there is no trinity). He didn't die for our sins, but only the sins of Adam.
He wasn't resurrected in the flesh, but was resurrected as Michael the arch-angel.
-- This isn't the Jesus of the Bible either, but he has millions of followers.

There is 'a' Jesus, who is merely a "minor" prophet of Allah, he is called "Isa". He also is not the son of God.
-- This isn't the Jesus of the Bible either.

There is 'a" Jesus, who had parents named Anne and Joachim. Mary was born sinless. Her birth was the immaculate conception,
not Jesus's. This Jesus isn't the only head of the church. He shares this with the pope. He isn't the only mediator between god and man.
His mother is also a mediatrix. This Jesus had no brothers or sisters.
-- This isn't the Jesus of the Bible either. This Jesus has more followers than any other "Christian" religion.

These are some of the false Jesus's in the world today.

 

[Ophel]

Friend, I do not mean to offend you. What is of God and what isn't is very important today. We live in a time when people should pray for discernment about this. We should all pray that we may see the difference between sound doctrine, and any other doctrine.

1 Timothy 1: 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:


Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.



I am sorry you feel this way, but we are allowed to disagree while both striving to better serve God. Forgive me if I feel that it is appropriate to share with people the way I feel, and how I perceive God's Word versus the words of new age religious leaders. I feel the best religious leaders in this world hold fast to sound doctrine and do not teach people to exalt themselves or seek out/expect the good things of this world: this is my opinion. It is OK if we do not agree. Hopefully, like family, we can agree to disagree respectfully. God bless and have a great day!

What's offensive about operatibg in godly discernment?

Pointing fingers at people who are busy serving God as they were called is unwise and spiritually dangerous, not to mention a behaviour rooted in envy and pride.

 

[KingJ]

I feel the best religious leaders in this world hold fast to sound doctrine and do not teach people to exalt themselves or seek out/expect the good things of this world: this is my opinion.

It is when Christian teachers / us hold fast to sound doctrine that we become truly free and filled with joy.

When we deny self, we find our lives. When we exalt self, we lose our lives Matt 10:39.

 

[KingJ]

Pointing fingers at people who are busy serving God as they were called is unwise and spiritually dangerous, not to mention a behaviour rooted in envy and pride.

Leaders are in a position of accountability. If they didn't want people interrogating / judging / ''''pointing fingers''' (if we are honest it is not self righteous judgment / pointing fingers)...they should not be leaders.

 

[Ophel]

Leaders are in a position of accountability. If they didn't want people interrogating / judging / ''''pointing fingers''' (if we are honest it is not self righteous judgment / pointing fingers)...they should not be leaders.

True leaders are raised up and appointed by God. They don't have to concern themselves with critics. It's those who have the critical spirits who need dealing with, and to grow up in God.


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[KingJ]

True leaders are raised up and appointed by God. They don't have to concern themselves with critics. It's those who have the critical spirits who need dealing with, and to grow up in God..

Can you show me one leader that you can say with confidence that they are appointed by God?

I am not disputing that God appoints. He works with what He has. There is not a single leader that can be trusted.

 

[Ophel]

Can you show me one leader that you can say with confidence that they are appointed by God?

I am not disputing that God appoints. He works with what He has. There is not a single leader that can be trusted.

I know personally many strong Christian leaders you can trust completely. My own pastors have been raised up by God and appointed to their callings.

It's a rash and sad statement to make that there is not one single leader that can be trusted. It's just not the truth.

 

[KingJ]

I know personally many strong Christian leaders you can trust completely. My own pastors have been raised up by God and appointed to their callings.

It's a rash and sad statement to make that there is not one single leader that can be trusted. It's just not the truth.

Trust completely :laugh:.....Next joke?

The elders at my church are publicly rebuked and removed from the pulpit when they are guilty of a certain / mortal sins. This happens all the time. Perhaps not where you are?

No human can be fully trusted. Except maybe me :whistle.

 

[Ophel]

Trust completely :laugh:.....Next joke?

The elders at my church are publicly rebuked and removed from the pulpit when they are guilty of a certain / mortal sins. This happens all the time. Perhaps not where you are?

No human can be fully trusted. Except maybe me :whistle.

No it doesn't happen because our leaders are living lives that are above reproach, in Christ, because they love Him and accept the responsibility of the spiritual health of the flock that is given to them.

 

[KingJ]

No it doesn't happen because our leaders are living lives that are above reproach, in Christ, because they love Him and accept the responsibility of the spiritual health of the flock that is given to them.

A leader caught in a mortal sin is not fit to lead any flock. They need a session of recovery. Not suggesting complete ban. But definitely temporary. The flock belongs to Jesus not any person. Every church needs elders that rebuke and correct. Not a solo pastor. I am assuming its that way at your church.

 

[Ophel]

A leader caught in a mortal sin is not fit to lead any flock. They need a session of recovery. Not suggesting complete ban. But definitely temporary. The flock belongs to Jesus not any person. Every church needs elders that rebuke and correct. Not a solo pastor. I am assuming its that way at your church.

You have had some terrible leadership, haven't you?

Don't assume.


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[B-A-C]

Somehow this thread has strayed a little. We have gone from false Christs... to false teachers.
They are somewhat related, but not really the same thing.