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Kaibeto,

Maybe not. I understand your speaking about the individual Christians life. I'm not sure if your making a statement or asking a question or speaking of others or about yourself.

If your speaking about your fear of falling short then your not alone. We all do fall short though not as many as should accept or realize it. Even Paul realized that he was unable to meet even his his own expectations as to what a follower of Christ should be.
If we could aheive it on our own then Christ would not have died on the cross.

If your speaking about the relationships between individuals in the church there are many things to consider.
First ,not everyone in church today is a christian and that persentage is dropping, not growing. It has become for far to many a bad habit to look lateraly rather than verticlaly. (at each other rather than up to God ) in the churches today.
Those who do not have Christ in their lives (only church or religian)are concerned about their position. The inmature are still sruggling with their own walk. The mature either accept the failed church system or leave because of it.
The churches have for the most part become toxic to those seeking to know Christ or live a true christian life.

Individualality is not accepted in the world or the church. No one wants to do for christ or another on their own. It's is too easy to give a few bucks to the offering and let the system take care of the needy, lost, struggling, hungry and tired. We are no longer people ,just faceless customers. getting personal and showing concern for the individual ,getting to know and care about each other does not suit the purpose of the modern church which survives of the herding of thousands.
Doctrines and legalism have replaced simple faith. We now have a majority of non christians telling the others what a Christian is suppoed to be. And that is based on what they believe a christian is supposed to do and look like ,not what they are.
In the USA the church has all but sold out to the corporate structure. It as a whole has become a business based on economics rather than Christ. It just might be selling cars or time share condo's as peddiling the word of God. Eternily better off for the individuals will be judged for their part in it.

The individual that does not conform is suspect. Just that simple. Follow the red line, be at the right place, do the right thing, at the right time and look neither to the left or to the right.
No one wants to know or be known by the another. fratinization is not permitted. Human frailty is not to be displayed fear or doubt not to be spoken and seekers should be seen and not heard.
The church consists of three positions. The officers, non commisioned officers and the inlisted. (Like the military)
Officers trained tested and certified (by man)to run the church.
The staff and seasoned teachers councelors, and untrained ministers.
The inlisted ,those that follow the other two. in the church individuals are ranked, paced into position and expected not to move accept in accordance with and as the structure moves.
 
Thats what I'm afraid of cliff it got to the point where I couldn't sit in a building and call it a church yet even my own with all of whats happening. Even I do admit to my own short commings, it got to the point I rather die trying to be what Jesus and the bible expected me to be than just be another "yes" man. Thats when I started to question and thought I could shine some light or even help someone if its only one.
 
Kaibeto,

I am sorry for not understanding straight away, the church in England that I attend has some very Spirit filled leaders and congregation. I was naive to think that all churches would be the same. It must be very daunting to be surrounded by such a lot of falseness and such a tragedy too. If you think that being in this environment may put your own salvation at risk, would it be possible to go to a different church? I've just mentioned David and Goliath in another thread and this seems a very apt. parable in this instance.

I thought you could be misjudging others but it may have been I who misjudged your intentions, I'm sorry I was hard on you, as you seem to be really suffering about this.

Apologies again. :boy: :love: :girl_hug:

God Bless :rainbow:

Eve
 
If you have a good, spirit filled bible based church then hallelujah! However, not all churches are that way.

I understand what the original poster was lamenting for I have experienced some of his same frustrations.

However, Christ admonished usto remove the beam from our own eye before being concerned about the sliver in our neighbor's eye. I think this supports what many of you have said about cherishing and nurturing our individual relationship with the lord first.

Second: If we are in a church then we need to follow 1 John 4:1-4 and try the spirit! Not all spirits are of the Lord. Does your church preach grace and repentance, or just grace? Remember that sanctification is an ongoing process whereby we submit daily to Christ's lead so that the Holy Spirit is enabled to guide, lead and continue the sanctification process within us.

Third: Remember that we are all in different places along the narrow road leading to salvation. We are all in different places in our Christian walk with the Lord. We all have different degrees of knowledge, understanding, acceptance and belief. Until we are each fully filled with the spirit in the way the apostles were at pentecost, we will have different degrees of understanding of "The Word."

If we will all please remember these things it may help us to be more tolerant of each other and our short comings as well as enabling the Spirit to better enlighten us as the need arises

God Bless you all
 
Eve you need not to be sorry I should have specifide more clearly lol I strongly agree with you Deacon, when I have time by myself pray for understanding when frustration builds up like steam. When I read the word of God see more clearly and understand. Its just when you see beyond the exterior you start to question.
 
Hi Bob,

My church does teach us to repent very much so (I obviously have difficulty imagining a church that wouldn't). We have a very inclusive Sunday service, which a lot of spirit led thought goes into. I am very appreciative of the time and effort that goes into all of the services and activities. We have a very strong youth section in the church also. A lot of allocated time goes into meditating on the word in groups out of church services. I would describe our leaders as very devout, kind, spirit filled, happy and hard working. I say leaders there is only one vicar, one standby vicar and one lay minister but we have a large congregation for such a small church, (so much so we had to extend services into the local Secondary (high) School) there are many qualified readers and helpers on which to draw from also which I think helps. I guess there is a real sense of team work that goes on.

I guess sometimes I can get overly sensitive and over-protective of people and I go on the defensive.

Thanks for accepting my apology kaibeto. I feel sorry that I could not have helped you better Kaibeto as I feel at this point in my life I am a only a sister in Christ not a leader. I will however, pray that you get the help you require and for your situation. I will also be praying for help to come to terms with this myself as it seems shocking that this is happening in churches and not just on American t.v., I am so deeply sorrowed and stunned about it.

God Bless

Eve
 
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Kaibeto,

Some of us are called to serve the Lord in a manner that the church does not understand and in many cases won't accept. Like you ,I found I could not tolorate the system. I see the inabiblity of it to truely reach the individual. I've seen it negect and reject those who do not fit the mold(so to speak)of a Christian.
That is what God has called me to . Those, who for what ever reason do not fit into the church system. Those individualswith special needs. Those that need something differant or more than the church organization can give.

A personal touch,some one to take notice and take time to listen and help.
Thats what a christian should be . Someone with enough love compation and concern to spend time with needy or hurting individuals.

Reach out and touch someone ,anyone in the name of Christ and you will never regret it.
 
CliffS said:
Kaibeto,
Some of us are called to serve the Lord in a manner that the church does not understand and in many cases won't accept. Like you ,I found I could not tolorate the system. I see the inabiblity of it to truely reach the individual. I've seen it negect and reject those who do not fit the mold(so to speak)of a Christian.
That is what God has called me to . Those, who for what ever reason do not fit into the church system. Those individualswith special needs. Those that need something differant or more than the church organization can give.
A personal touch,some one to take notice and take time to listen and help.
Thats what a christian should be . Someone with enough love compation and concern to spend time with needy or hurting individuals.
Reach out and touch someone ,anyone in the name of Christ and you will never regret it.
Yes I agree, have some friends who are called to serve in the same manner. But my church don't say anything lol haha.
 
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