If Your Pastor Did Not Celebrate Roe Being Overturned, It Is Time To Find A New Church - July 1, 2022

[MedicBravo]

If Your Pastor Did Not Celebrate Roe Being Overturned, It Is Time To Find A New Church

by Pastor Andrew Isker On Friday, June 24th, an epochal change took place in American history: the United States Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. If you are a churchgoing evangelical Christian who somehow had not heard about that before going to church Sunday, June 26th, a substantial...

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I agree. No, slowly leaving over some time to see if there is change. Leave immediately.
Any "pastor or priest" who is too scared to follow all of God is no church of God.

 

[Christ4Ever]

If Your Pastor Did Not Celebrate Roe Being Overturned, It Is Time To Find A New Church

by Pastor Andrew Isker On Friday, June 24th, an epochal change took place in American history: the United States Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. If you are a churchgoing evangelical Christian who somehow had not heard about that before going to church Sunday, June 26th, a substantial...

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I agree. No, slowly leaving over some time to see if there is change. Leave immediately.
Any "pastor or priest" who is too scared to follow all of God is no church of God.

Dear MedicBravo,
Thanks for the article.
I would only suggest before leaving the church, to ask the Pastor why they didn't give God the praise and glory for a move in the right direction in the Abortion Battle.
Because the fight is not over. It moves now to each state, and depending on the state, and the church. One might need to look for a church that is willing to continue to both battle, and support those who have had Abortions, and those who have chosen to bring a child into this world.

Sometimes all it takes is for one to stand-up in order to convict even a Sheperd of their lack of action.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[MedicBravo]

I don't have a church (Long story) but the last one was pro-life.
There were many children and a good handful were born in the 6 years I was there.
I would get others and go as a group.
Reminder, the powers not given to and limiting the government are given to the states. Roe should have never been a thing and the woman LIED.
The decision and power is back to the states as it and the rest should be according to the Constitution and in our (not Democracy) Constitutional Republic.

 

[MisterObjective]

Dear MedicBravo,
Thanks for the article.
I would only suggest before leaving the church, to ask the Pastor why they didn't give God the praise and glory for a move in the right direction in the Abortion Battle.
Because the fight is not over. It moves now to each state, and depending on the state, and the church. One might need to look for a church that is willing to continue to both battle, and support those who have had Abortions, and those who have chosen to bring a child into this world.

Sometimes all it takes is for one to stand-up in order to convict even a Sheperd of their lack of action.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

Let's see what the Bible has to say about abortion.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names. -- Numbers 3:40

God often approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

The question I have is, do aborted fetuses and miscarriages go to heaven. If they do then it's a loop hole because we can only go to heaven if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. If it's a loophole then some harlot can get an abortion or miscarry every month and put a dozen babies into heaven every year. Given salvation through grace, that harlot could theoretically go to heaven and reunite with all her kids she aborted or miscarried. What a brain teaser this is!

 

[MedicBravo]

@MisterObjective
Abortion IS murder. If a pregnant woman is killed then it is a double homicide not one.
"“If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” - Try using a better translation. This is in cause of a premature birth not "fruit departing = death of the unborn." -
"But if any harm follows, then give life for life, eye for eye." - Meaning if the woman suffers permanent injury there must be payment. If the child lives but has a permanent injury there must be payment." You are 100% wrong if you think we have no value until 1 month.
A waste of 2 paragraphs where you show you are making excuses for killing the unborn. I don't care how small or how we look at -1 month. Fact: Human life begins at conception.

The unborn are dependent on the mother and until born are not considered census anywhere. Next?
"God often approves of killing babies." - So? As the Creator, Judge, and Authority He has every right to punish or kill an of what He made for any reason. In fact, He knows every person's playbook if you will. If they die so young then them being in Heaven is far better and any person who stupidly believes they are mind readers are greatly mistaken.
There is no middle ground for any sin. There is elective killing of viable unborn babies and there are medical abortions which is another topic. They are not the same.
If you truly know who God is then you know babies don't go to Hell. He treats all children, babies, mentally damaged, and the like different from the rest of us. How? Don't know and it's not your business.

 

[Andyindauk]

Let's see what the Bible has to say about abortion.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names. -- Numbers 3:40

God often approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

The question I have is, do aborted fetuses and miscarriages go to heaven. If they do then it's a loop hole because we can only go to heaven if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. If it's a loophole then some harlot can get an abortion or miscarry every month and put a dozen babies into heaven every year. Given salvation through grace, that harlot could theoretically go to heaven and reunite with all her kids she aborted or miscarried. What a brain teaser this is!

Wow - wow - wow!!! Mister, I've never witnessed the Bible being used to justify pro-choice before. I was almost convinced! But then I thought to myself, does the God I know and love really not care about any baby under a month old? Does He value men above women and adults over children? I thought to mysef ... 'Nah, that's not the God I know and love.' Time for a bit of contextualisation here -

Exodus 21 is put into perspective by Jesus in Matthew 5:38-42.

Leviticus 27 is about compensating the Temple for a change of mind when buying out a person consecrated by an oath. The sums suggested are based upon the earnings potential of the various demographics rather than God's valuation of them in monetary terms. Does God value men at double the value of women and children, half of that? I think not!

Numbers 3 is about censuses rather than a lacking of love or sensitive care on the part of God towards new born babies. Child mortality was high but please do not read into that that God cares not for newborn infants.

Numbers 31:15-17 Context. The prophet Baalam who was a paid adviser of the Midianite king Balak advised him that if he wannted to cause a rift between God and the children of Israel, he should encourage the Midianite men and women to seduce Israel. The plan worked and so in punnishment God sent a plague amongst Israel and afterwards instructed 12000 of them to wreak revenge by killing all Midianite men, women and children. Instead the army defied orders and killed just the men but spared women and children. Moses was livid but relented and spared virgins who obviously had taken no part in the seduction and perversion of the men of Israel. I'm pretty sure that using this passage as justification of abortion is a step way too far!

Hosea 9:14 Ephraim who was the son of Joseph had userped the tribe of Dan when it came to the division of Canaan. Dan was a son of Jacob and as such should have shared in the division. Hosea gave the message to Ephraim that God was very upset with Ehphraim, that they hadn't lived up to His expections and warning that God would punnish Epraim through miscarriage. Does that mean that God approves of miscarriagev / abortion? Hmmm.... pretty sure, not!

Your post emphasises what Apostle John tells me,
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. I John 4:1 NKJV

NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION -

Sorry, I don't know the answer. Pass.! I don't know all the judgements of God or how He reaches them. I do know and believe that God's judgement is perfect and beyond reproach. I may not understand or comprehend all of God's judgements, but this I do know, I'm not perfect but He is. So I ask myself - “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor?” Romans 11:34 NKJV. I know that when I do eventually 'go upstairs' all my misgivings and questions will be resolved in an instant. It is likely that God knows the psyche of the little baby / fetus and so knows if he / she had lived whether they would have surrendered to Christ.

But imperfect as my judgement and morals are, i know that for a woman or a couple to terminate a life because it's inconvenient is a heinous sin. it's taking power away from God and deciding it has to die because it'll get in the way of career, ambition, relationship or social life. Forget what God plans and wants - this is what I / we want. That's wrong: totally wrong.

I also reassure that any girl that's done that is definitely NOT beyond the forgiveness or outside of the love of God so long as she repents of ALL her sin and agrees to follow Jesus and make Him her Lord.

 

[MisterObjective]

Wow - wow - wow!!! Mister, I've never witnessed the Bible being used to justify pro-choice before. I was almost convinced! But then I thought to myself, does the God I know and love really not care about any baby under a month old? Does He value men above women and adults over children? I thought to mysef ... 'Nah, that's not the God I know and love.' Time for a bit of contextualisation here -

Exodus 21 is put into perspective by Jesus in Matthew 5:38-42.

Leviticus 27 is about compensating the Temple for a change of mind when buying out a person consecrated by an oath. The sums suggested are based upon the earnings potential of the various demographics rather than God's valuation of them in monetary terms. Does God value men at double the value of women and children, half of that? I think not!

Numbers 3 is about censuses rather than a lacking of love or sensitive care on the part of God towards new born babies. Child mortality was high but please do not read into that that God cares not for newborn infants.

Numbers 31:15-17 Context. The prophet Baalam who was a paid adviser of the Midianite king Balak advised him that if he wannted to cause a rift between God and the children of Israel, he should encourage the Midianite men and women to seduce Israel. The plan worked and so in punnishment God sent a plague amongst Israel and afterwards instructed 12000 of them to wreak revenge by killing all Midianite men, women and children. Instead the army defied orders and killed just the men but spared women and children. Moses was livid but relented and spared virgins who obviously had taken no part in the seduction and perversion of the men of Israel. I'm pretty sure that using this passage as justification of abortion is a step way too far!

Hosea 9:14 Ephraim who was the son of Joseph had userped the tribe of Dan when it came to the division of Canaan. Dan was a son of Jacob and as such should have shared in the division. Hosea gave the message to Ephraim that God was very upset with Ehphraim, that they hadn't lived up to His expections and warning that God would punnish Epraim through miscarriage. Does that mean that God approves of miscarriagev / abortion? Hmmm.... pretty sure, not!

Your post emphasises what Apostle John tells me,
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. I John 4:1 NKJV

NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION -

Sorry, I don't know the answer. Pass.! I don't know all the judgements of God or how He reaches them. I do know and believe that God's judgement is perfect and beyond reproach. I may not understand or comprehend all of God's judgements, but this I do know, I'm not perfect but He is. So I ask myself - “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor?” Romans 11:34 NKJV. I know that when I do eventually 'go upstairs' all my misgivings and questions will be resolved in an instant. It is likely that God knows the psyche of the little baby / fetus and so knows if he / she had lived whether they would have surrendered to Christ.

But imperfect as my judgement and morals are, i know that for a woman or a couple to terminate a life because it's inconvenient is a heinous sin. it's taking power away from God and deciding it has to die because it'll get in the way of career, ambition, relationship or social life. Forget what God plans and wants - this is what I / we want. That's wrong: totally wrong.

I also reassure that any girl that's done that is definitely NOT beyond the forgiveness or outside of the love of God so long as she repents of ALL her sin and agrees to follow Jesus and make Him her Lord.

I quoted scripture word for word... GOD'S WORD! It says what it says plain and simple. Quoting the Bible is not using it. You may not like the fact that God killed babies and pregnant women because they rubbed him the wrong way. He did what he did.

If you look to the Bible for any anti abortion scripture, you won't find any. And BTW, an all knowing God already knows what he was going to do in the future. He knew that he would deem these women wicked before he even created them. God has rules and punishments for the wicked. Killing life in the wombs of women by killing them is no big deal for God,

What happens to these women and babies after God slaughters them? Answer... the spend eternity in hell. Let's not sugarcoat this. You know I'm right.

 

[MedicBravo]

@MisterObjective
You think God did it b/c they "rubbed him the wrong way"? You don't know what He was thinking. He's the most intelligent being and to think some "human" made His emotions unstable us absurd.
God knows what is best not you, me, or anyone else.
Funny your two examples you have a problem with and that men are seen as cannon fodder in all things according to "some people". He knows all futures and they are better off than being alive and in their evil sin. Some of those cultures were far worse than you can imagine.
Your 2nd is wrong and flawed. It does not and cannot cover every single issue. The Creator can do as He wants and your "problem" with it is yours.
If you think elective abortion is ok then you're no Christian that is for certain. You do not know who God is to think babies and children go to Hell. Your insistence you are "right" and have "special knowledge" is your own opinion. Nice try.

 

[Andyindauk]

I quoted scripture word for word... GOD'S WORD! It says what it says plain and simple. Quoting the Bible is not using it. You may not like the fact that God killed babies and pregnant women because they rubbed him the wrong way. He did what he did.

If you look to the Bible for any anti abortion scripture, you won't find any. And BTW, an all knowing God already knows what he was going to do in the future. He knew that he would deem these women wicked before he even created them. God has rules and punishments for the wicked. Killing life in the wombs of women by killing them is no big deal for God,

What happens to these women and babies after God slaughters them? Answer... the spend eternity in hell. Let's not sugarcoat this. You know I'm right.

Mister, the passages you quote are in some out of their context and the rest you draw a conclusion that's inconsistent with the verse you quote. The problem here is that abortion is a modern day phenomenon, it was not a viable option in Bible times in much the same way as narcotic drugs was a sin yet to be discovered and so obviously the Bible is pretty mute on both topics.

Just as you have done, we have to look into how God values the foetus and the new born baby. The verses you quote do not tell the reader that God is indifferent to them. God loves all life, even the life of the sinner which is why He sent His Son to die for us 1John 4:10.

He loves all people equally and I believe that just as there’s a party in Heaven when a sinner repents I believe there’s a great sadness when one dies without repentance and is lost forever. That includes the foetus, the unborn child and the infant. Dealing with your point that God condemns all of these who die or are murdered before they reach the age of understanding is inconsistent with His all loving nature. No, I believe that God is all knowing and knows whether such would have accepted Christ had they grown to adulthood and will judge them accordingly Psalm 22:9-11. Can’t you see that your belief that the unborn goes to Hell, were it true would be a persuasive argument against abortion?

Let me share with you some verses about foetuses and babies in their mother’s womb –

Psalm 139:13-16 – God is involved in the creation and formation of that baby.
Isaiah 49:5 – Our very conception has a God filled purpose. Too bad if the mother has other plans and goes to an abortion clinic. Ditto Jeremiah 1:5

In Genesis 29:25 and Deuteronomy 7:13 a baby is described as a blessing from God. If you treat that blessing as a gift wrapped box of cheap smellies from the pound shop at Christmas, then God will rightly be saddened, distressed and angry.

Finally I do want to say that I’m not one of these who lines up on the picket lines outside abortion clinics hurling abuse at the patients attending them. That to me is hate filled and contrary to the gospel of peace. We are called to preach to sinners Christ crucified 1 Corinthians 1:23 and anything else is a Satan inspired tangent to that.

The believing Christian is different. She must treat her body as a temple of the Holy Spirit and if she falls pregnant she must treat that baby with the same love that God showed her when she became His daughter when she accepted Jesus’s salvation through His death on the cross. To tell brothers and sisters in Christ that abortion is OK is contrary to scripture and the will of God and as such is error and heresy.

 

[God's Truth]

Let's see what the Bible has to say about abortion.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names. -- Numbers 3:40

God often approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

The question I have is, do aborted fetuses and miscarriages go to heaven. If they do then it's a loop hole because we can only go to heaven if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. If it's a loophole then some harlot can get an abortion or miscarry every month and put a dozen babies into heaven every year. Given salvation through grace, that harlot could theoretically go to heaven and reunite with all her kids she aborted or miscarried. What a brain teaser this is!

At the moment of conception the human developing has a spirit.
Spirits don't die and the spirit of a killed or naturally dead human in the womb goes to God.

God tells us that the kingdom of heaven already belong to children.

 

[God's Truth]

Mister, the passages you quote are in some out of their context and the rest you draw a conclusion that's inconsistent with the verse you quote. The problem here is that abortion is a modern day phenomenon, it was not a viable option in Bible times in much the same way as narcotic drugs was a sin yet to be discovered and so obviously the Bible is pretty mute on both topics.

Just as you have done, we have to look into how God values the foetus and the new born baby. The verses you quote do not tell the reader that God is indifferent to them. God loves all life, even the life of the sinner which is why He sent His Son to die for us 1John 4:10.

He loves all people equally and I believe that just as there’s a party in Heaven when a sinner repents I believe there’s a great sadness when one dies without repentance and is lost forever. That includes the foetus, the unborn child and the infant. Dealing with your point that God condemns all of these who die or are murdered before they reach the age of understanding is inconsistent with His all loving nature. No, I believe that God is all knowing and knows whether such would have accepted Christ had they grown to adulthood and will judge them accordingly Psalm 22:9-11. Can’t you see that your belief that the unborn goes to Hell, were it true would be a persuasive argument against abortion?

Let me share with you some verses about foetuses and babies in their mother’s womb –

Psalm 139:13-16 – God is involved in the creation and formation of that baby.
Isaiah 49:5 – Our very conception has a God filled purpose. Too bad if the mother has other plans and goes to an abortion clinic. Ditto Jeremiah 1:5

In Genesis 29:25 and Deuteronomy 7:13 a baby is described as a blessing from God. If you treat that blessing as a gift wrapped box of cheap smellies from the pound shop at Christmas, then God will rightly be saddened, distressed and angry.

Finally I do want to say that I’m not one of these who lines up on the picket lines outside abortion clinics hurling abuse at the patients attending them. That to me is hate filled and contrary to the gospel of peace. We are called to preach to sinners Christ crucified 1 Corinthians 1:23 and anything else is a Satan inspired tangent to that.

The believing Christian is different. She must treat her body as a temple of the Holy Spirit and if she falls pregnant she must treat that baby with the same love that God showed her when she became His daughter when she accepted Jesus’s salvation through His death on the cross. To tell brothers and sisters in Christ that abortion is OK is contrary to scripture and the will of God and as such is error and heresy.

The kingdom of heaven belongs to little children, but there is an age of accountability.

As for you saying God loves all the same, God love His creation the whole world, but He does not love you personally if you don't love Him by obeying Him.

I also don't believe the Bible is silent of the sin of addiction to drugs, for sin is anything that controls you.

 

[MedicBravo]

Mister, the passages you quote are in some out of their context and the rest you draw a conclusion that's inconsistent with the verse you quote. The problem here is that abortion is a modern day phenomenon, it was not a viable option in Bible times in much the same way as narcotic drugs was a sin yet to be discovered and so obviously the Bible is pretty mute on both topics.

Just as you have done, we have to look into how God values the foetus and the new born baby. The verses you quote do not tell the reader that God is indifferent to them. God loves all life, even the life of the sinner which is why He sent His Son to die for us 1John 4:10.

He loves all people equally and I believe that just as there’s a party in Heaven when a sinner repents I believe there’s a great sadness when one dies without repentance and is lost forever. That includes the foetus, the unborn child and the infant. Dealing with your point that God condemns all of these who die or are murdered before they reach the age of understanding is inconsistent with His all loving nature. No, I believe that God is all knowing and knows whether such would have accepted Christ had they grown to adulthood and will judge them accordingly Psalm 22:9-11. Can’t you see that your belief that the unborn goes to Hell, were it true would be a persuasive argument against abortion?

Let me share with you some verses about foetuses and babies in their mother’s womb –

Psalm 139:13-16 – God is involved in the creation and formation of that baby.
Isaiah 49:5 – Our very conception has a God filled purpose. Too bad if the mother has other plans and goes to an abortion clinic. Ditto Jeremiah 1:5

In Genesis 29:25 and Deuteronomy 7:13 a baby is described as a blessing from God. If you treat that blessing as a gift wrapped box of cheap smellies from the pound shop at Christmas, then God will rightly be saddened, distressed and angry.

Finally I do want to say that I’m not one of these who lines up on the picket lines outside abortion clinics hurling abuse at the patients attending them. That to me is hate filled and contrary to the gospel of peace. We are called to preach to sinners Christ crucified 1 Corinthians 1:23 and anything else is a Satan inspired tangent to that.

The believing Christian is different. She must treat her body as a temple of the Holy Spirit and if she falls pregnant she must treat that baby with the same love that God showed her when she became His daughter when she accepted Jesus’s salvation through His death on the cross. To tell brothers and sisters in Christ that abortion is OK is contrary to scripture and the will of God and as such is error and heresy.

Well said!!
People who argue from a point of minority or rarity are not doing themselves any good. Almost all of them always mention rape and fewer times incest when arguing for abortion. "Forcing a woman to have a baby!"
Sex doesn't always equal a pregnancy. Rape can cause so much trauma the body won't release an egg even if it is her ovulation time. Even if she is, the trauma can also cause implantation of a fertilized egg quite difficult.
Mister has been brainwashed/indoctrinated to make excuses for sin.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Let's see what the Bible has to say about abortion.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names. -- Numbers 3:40

God often approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

The question I have is, do aborted fetuses and miscarriages go to heaven. If they do then it's a loop hole because we can only go to heaven if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. If it's a loophole then some harlot can get an abortion or miscarry every month and put a dozen babies into heaven every year. Given salvation through grace, that harlot could theoretically go to heaven and reunite with all her kids she aborted or miscarried. What a brain teaser this is!

Dear MisterObjective
God has been also known to kill fools.
Many folks fall into that category, so I'd be careful on how to divide His word, without partiality in using the entirety of Scripture.
Especially when it comes in the form of supporting the killing of the unborn.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Bill]

Let's see what the Bible has to say about abortion.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names. -- Numbers 3:40

God often approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

The question I have is, do aborted fetuses and miscarriages go to heaven. If they do then it's a loop hole because we can only go to heaven if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. If it's a loophole then some harlot can get an abortion or miscarry every month and put a dozen babies into heaven every year. Given salvation through grace, that harlot could theoretically go to heaven and reunite with all her kids she aborted or miscarried. What a brain teaser this is!

Hog wash

 

[Bill]

The kingdom of heaven belongs to little children, but there is an age of accountability.

As for you saying God loves all the same, God love His creation the whole world, but He does not love you personally if you don't love Him by obeying Him.

I also don't believe the Bible is silent of the sin of addiction to drugs, for sin is anything that controls you.

That i do not agree with . God loves unconditionally. Whether a person loves God or not is beside the point. Otherwise the death on the cross was for nothing. Jesus did not die only for the faithful, but for all of mankind.

 

[Bill]

I quoted scripture word for word... GOD'S WORD! It says what it says plain and simple. Quoting the Bible is not using it. You may not like the fact that God killed babies and pregnant women because they rubbed him the wrong way. He did what he did.

If you look to the Bible for any anti abortion scripture, you won't find any. And BTW, an all knowing God already knows what he was going to do in the future. He knew that he would deem these women wicked before he even created them. God has rules and punishments for the wicked. Killing life in the wombs of women by killing them is no big deal for God,

What happens to these women and babies after God slaughters them? Answer... the spend eternity in hell. Let's not sugarcoat this. You know I'm right.

The Devil quotes God's Word even in the scripture .

Occultists know scripture better than most Christians.

It is written in the scripture , to be a Real Jew is not to only look like a Jew . The real Jew is one whose heart is circumsized.

Do you understand what this means?

 

[God's Truth]

That i do not agree with . God loves unconditionally.

No way. lol

John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commandments and remain in his love.

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me,

1 Samuel 2:30 "Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares: 'I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.'But now the LORD declares: 'Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained.

Psalm 91:14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Psalm 145:20 The LORD watches over all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.

Whether a person loves God or not is beside the point. Otherwise the death on the cross was for nothing. Jesus did not die only for the faithful, but for all of mankind.

Jesus died for all and we must go through him to get to the Father, but many refuse.

 

[*Lavender]

What then shall we say to these things If God is for us, who can be against us.
He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things. Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31-39

 

[God's Truth]

What then shall we say to these things If God is for us, who can be against us.
He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things. Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31-39

That is about those who love God by obeying God.

 

[*Lavender]

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