Is Church Tithing an Abomination to God, or Unbiblical?

[DiscipleofYHWH]

Actually the Bible says the exact opposite.

Matt 5:17; "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Jesus didn't abolish the law. It's still here.

Matt 5:18; For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, untill all be fulfilled.
Luke 16:17; And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Boy, talk about misquoting the Bible...

But since you believe this, let me ask you. Can we now steal, lie, murder, fornicate, make idols, commit adultery, and covet?
God is OK with all of this now?

He did not abolish the Law he fulfilled/completed the Law as the Lord foretold:
A New covenant will be made:Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 28:10,13-19, Ezekiel 36:23-27,29-31
The Old Covenant will not stand:Isaiah 28:13-19
The New law will be written in their Hearts:Jeremiah 31:33-34, Ezekiel 36:26; Ezekiel 11:19
On a Tried stone will this Covenant be Made:Isaiah 28:16
This New Covenant will give the People a New Spirit:Ezekiel 36:26-27; Ezekiel 11:19
The New Covenant will be of the Promise of Faith:Isaiah 28:16
The Whole Covenant that was the Book of the Covenant would be Fulfilled:Isaiah 28:15,17

Fulfilled means to complete, finish, make an end of
Strong’s Concordance-Greek-4137. Pléroó
I fill, fulfill, complete.
2. to render full, i. e. to complete;- b. to perfect, consummate;- c. to carry into effect, bring to realization, realize; α. of matters of duty, to perform, execute:- accomplish, complete, fulfill. From pleres; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc. -- accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply)

Strong’s Concordance- Greek-5055. Teleó
To bring to an end, complete, fulfill
1. to bring to a close, to finish, to end: ἔτη, passive, passed, finished,- 2. to perform, execute, complete, fulfill- finish, accomplish From telos; to end, i.e. Complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt) -- accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up,finish,)

Christ is the end of the Law, not the destroyer of the law Romans 10:4; Matt 3:14; Romans 3:21-25

So again the Quotes read:

Matt 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled. The whole law of Moses(civil, dietary, ceremonial) must have been fulfilled, or none of it was and we must still sacrifice and keep the feast days.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

The law did not fail, it was completed/finished as the Lord foretold. :Matt 5:17-20;Luke 16:16-17; Luke 24:25-27, 44-49;John 19:30; Acts 13:38-41; Romans 10:4; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 7:18-19,22; Hebrews 8:4-13; Hebrews 9:14-15; Hebrews 12:2

I hope this has helped you see the truth in this matter, that I in no way misquoted the bible but instead gave a full account of what it said.

As to your ending question. Just because the Law of Moses is gone does not mean we do not have a law. Far from it, the promise of the Lord was that we would have a new covenant with him, a law that would be placed within our hearts. This law is the Law of Christ/spirit/liberty/ and faith.
A short study on that here.

The New covenant Law is everything spoken of/commanded by the Apostles and everything preached on by Christ. This includes God’s eternal Ten Commandments, the Moral Law.
New testament Law(Fulfilment of the Old)
Declared all the counsel of God(Acts 20:26-28)
Continued in Doctrine of the Apostles(Acts 2:42)
Hold Fast to the Doctrine(Titus 1:9)
Paul has Planted the word(1 Cor 3:6)
Do the things commanded by the Apostles(2 Thess 3:4,6)
Hold Fast to the word and Traditions we have been taught(2 Thess 2:14-17)
Doctrine of Christ(2 John 9-10)
Observe these things(2 Tim 5:21)
Be mindful of the words spoken by the prophets and the commandments of the Apostles and Christ(2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-18)
Keep the sound words given by Paul(2 Timothy 1:13-14)
Fully known the Doctrine, continue in things learned(2 Tim 3:10, 14-15)
Laws of God (Rom 13:2,9-10)
Stablish according to the Gospel and preaching of Christ(Romans 16:25-27)
Fully preached the Gospel of Christ(Romans 15:19,29)
Acknowledge things spoken as commandments of the Lord(1 Cor 14:37)
Gospel received by Revelation of Christ(Gal 1:6-12)
Christ the same today yesterday and tomorrow, so to is the word of God the same. (Hebrews 13:8-9)
Keep the Commandments given by Christ(John 14:21,23, Matt 28:20)
Keep the Ordinances as delivered by the Apostles(1 Cor 11:1-2)
Holy word of God is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21)



The word of God tells us that sin is transgression of the Law(1 John 3:4) for where there is no law there is no Transgression(Romans 4:15) we do not make void the Law through faith(the law which is of faith-Romans 3:21-22,24-27) but establish it(Romans 3:31) this is how we know God to keep his commandments(1 John 2:3) those who say they know Christ but keep not his commandments are a Liar and the Truth is not in them(1 John 2:4) by this we know that we love the Children of God when we love God and keep his commandments(1 John 5:2) for this is the Love of God, that we keep his commandments and his commandments are not grievous(1 John 5:3) blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city(Revelation 22:14; Isaiah 66:23).

We keep the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses.
New Covenant is the Law of Liberty:James 1:,21-22,25; James 2:8-12
New Covenant is the Law of Life/Law of Christ:John 14:6; Romans 8:2; Galatians 6:2
New Covenant is a Law of Righteousness:Romans 10:6; Romans 9:30
New Covenant is the Law of Salvation:Acts 4:12; Acts 28:28; Romans 1:16; Ephesians 2:8
New Covenant is the Law of Spirit:Romans 7:6,12,14-16,22,25; Romans 8:1-2,4,9-11,13-14,16
New covenant is the Law of Faith:Romans 3:21-22,24-27,31; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 11:1-3,39-40
God bless

 

[B-A-C]

He did not abolish the Law he fulfilled/completed the Law as the Lord foretold:
A New covenant will be made:Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 28:10,13-19, Ezekiel 36:23-27,29-31
The Old Covenant will not stand:Isaiah 28:13-19
The New law will be written in their Hearts:Jeremiah 31:33-34, Ezekiel 36:26; Ezekiel 11:19
On a Tried stone will this Covenant be Made:Isaiah 28:16
This New Covenant will give the People a New Spirit:Ezekiel 36:26-27; Ezekiel 11:19
The New Covenant will be of the Promise of Faith:Isaiah 28:16
The Whole Covenant that was the Book of the Covenant would be Fulfilled:Isaiah 28:15,17

Fulfilled means to complete, finish, make an end of
Strong’s Concordance-Greek-4137. Pléroó
I fill, fulfill, complete.
2. to render full, i. e. to complete;- b. to perfect, consummate;- c. to carry into effect, bring to realization, realize; α. of matters of duty, to perform, execute:- accomplish, complete, fulfill. From pleres; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc. -- accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply)

Strong’s Concordance- Greek-5055. Teleó
To bring to an end, complete, fulfill
1. to bring to a close, to finish, to end: ἔτη, passive, passed, finished,- 2. to perform, execute, complete, fulfill- finish, accomplish From telos; to end, i.e. Complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt) -- accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up,finish,)

Christ is the end of the Law, not the destroyer of the law Romans 10:4; Matt 3:14; Romans 3:21-25

New Covenant doesn't mean everything in the old covenant goes away, only parts of it.
There is still law, there is still sin. There is still sacrifice of a lamb. There is a still a priest who mediates for us.

Ful-full using you own definitions above, to perfect, to complete, to level up, to finish, to fill up, to conclude. To consumate (what was already started)
You can't "fullfill" and empty glass. You can't "complete" a work that has never been started. You can't "finish" a work that has never been started.
You can't "conclude" a work that has never been started.

Jesus finished what is started, He finishes filling the glass. He finishes the work that is already started.

 

[DiscipleofYHWH]

New Covenant doesn't mean everything in the old covenant goes away, only parts of it.
There is still law, there is still sin. There is still sacrifice of a lamb. There is a still a priest who mediates for us.

Ful-full using you own definitions above, to perfect, to complete, to level up, to finish, to fill up, to conclude. To consumate (what was already started)
You can't "fullfill" and empty glass. You can't "complete" a work that has never been started. You can't "finish" a work that has never been started.
You can't "conclude" a work that has never been started.

Jesus finished what is started, He finishes filling the glass. He finishes the work that is already started.

If only one part, or only a few parts of the Law were fulfilled then heaven and earth would have already past away(Matt 5:19; Luke 16:17), if any part of the Law of Moses remains(civil, dietary, ceremonial) then Christ died in vain.

There is a law, a New law of faith. There is a Lamb, an anti-typical lamb of sacrifice. There is a priest who mediates for us, in the second apartment sits the High priest after the order of Melchizadek. Every one of these things is a completing of the Old, the law was given only because of Transgressions(Galatians 3:19) and to provide a way for Christ to come and fulfill the Promise of Faith(Galatians 3:24; Romans 4:13), in fulfilling this Promise he made an end of the Law(Romans 10:4), completing it(John 19:30; Hebrews 12:2).

The law was given for a specific purpose(to provide a way for Christ to come) and Christ fulfilled that purpose and finished the law bringing it to an end.

Any person who keeps the law of Moses is doing so Contrary to the will of God.
Whosoever followeth the law of moses is a debtor to the whole law(Galatians 5:3,4;Galatians 3:10,12) and christ shall profit them nothing for he will become of no effect unto them who keep the law of the covenant(Galatians 5:2,4;Galatians 3:11;Romans 3:19,20,27) We are not to fall into the bondage of Circumcision which is by the law of the covenant(Galatians 2:3-5). There is no flesh justified by the works of the law of Moses(Galatians 2:16) if we now build again that which is of the law and keep it, that is to say put ourselves back into bondage, we become transgressors(Galatians 2:4,18) for if righteousness came by the law then Christ died in vain(Galatians 2:21).Those who are freed from sin are no Longer subject to the Law of the Covenant(Romans 6:14,15) but are now under grace(Romans 6:14,15).
), Christ is the End of the Law(Law of the Covenant) for righteousness sake(Romans 10:4; Matt 3:15) those who have faith and believe on Christ will be saved(Romans 10:8-11,13,17). Those who seek to follow the Law of Moses, do so without the Knowledge of the Law of Faith(Romans 10:2,3), for the righteousness that was of the Law came by keeping the whole law(Romans 10:5; Galatians 5:3,4; Galatians 3:10,12; Romans 3:19,20,27) but since no man could keep the whole law(Galatians 2:16) Christ fulfilled the law putting an end to the righteousness that came by keeping every ordinacne contained inside the Book of the Covenant(Romans 10:4;Romans 3:21,22,24,25). Even in the time of the Apostles there were sects of people rising up who taught contrary to the doctrine of the apostles, teaching people that circumcision of the Flesh was necessary as was the keeping of the Mosaic Law(Acts 15:1,5,7-10,11). If they which are of the Law be Heirs, then faith is made void and the promise of faith along with it(Romans 4:13-14).Cursed is every man who does not follow every law written in the Book of the law of the Covenant(Galatians 3:10,12; Galatians 5:3,4) that is why no man is justified by the law(Galatians 3:11). The just shall live by faith(Galatians 3:11,7-9), the law of moses is not of faith(Galatians 3:12) wherefore we shall not live by the law which is without(Galatians 3:10 -13,25), but live by the law which is of faith(Galatians 3:7,9,11).


Christ blotted out the handwritting of ordinances, taking them away for they were contrary to us, they were against us. Now we are under a better law, a law of Faith.
Law of Moses Written with Ink Done away: 2 Cor 3:3,7-Law that was by the Letter killeth:2 Cor 3:6- Epistle of Christ written by the Spirit in the Fleshy tables of our hearts:2 Cor 3:3-Made able ministers of the New Testament that is of the Spirit:2 Cor 3:6

The Handwriting of Ordinances that was a witness against Israel(Deut 31:26) has been blotted out/completed by Christ’s blood- Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 9:1, 10,11,13,23-28; Ephesians 2:15

Law of Moses- Luke 24:25-27, 44-48; Acts 13:39; Acts 15:5; Acts 28:23; Mark 12:26-27

The Law of Moses is Finished

 

[newname]

if any part of the Law of Moses remains(civil, dietary, ceremonial) then Christ died in vain.

I see tithing as moral law, a principle in God's heart. Its just loving your neighbour if you give the poor and a preacher who would otherwise be poor 10 percent of your income. Don't see it as a law though. We have to give willingly, says Paul. It was just a starting point and I guess it's handy to have an idea of how much you should give when you just get saved. I've been in a church where they said, because ppl there didn't have much money: if you give clothes to someone who needs it, it's also tithes. Apparently I looked very sloppy, cause I got bags full of clothes from em.

 

[DiscipleofYHWH]

I see tithing as moral law, a principle in God's heart. Its just loving your neighbour if you give the poor and a preacher who would otherwise be poor 10 percent of your income. Don't see it as a law though. We have to give willingly, says Paul. It was just a starting point and I guess it's handy to have an idea of how much you should give when you just get saved. I've been in a church where they said, because ppl there didn't have much money: if you give clothes to someone who needs it, it's also tithes. Apparently I looked very sloppy, cause I got bags full of clothes from em.

Giving/Helping those in need is part of God's law of the Spirit, as we are created to do the Lord's work. But tithing as a Law was under the Law of Moses. Loving your neighbor with the same love that God loved you with is a huge part of the NT Law feeding a preacher or a homeless person is just showing the Love of God within you. Happily giving any portion of your money or your possessions to the Church or to someone who needs it is part of God's law.

There is no set amount or starting amount for a person to give after they have been saved. If they give a dollar good, if they give a thousand dollars that is good also. If a person cannot give ten percent happily but can give 1% or five percent or any other amount with joy. Then that is good. As there is no set amount to give. But as time goes by and the love of God/the Love for God and your brethren in Christ Grows you will want to give more and more knowing that the more you give the more you are helping those who need it.

 

[Trevor]

Is Church Tithing an Abomination to God, or Unbiblical?

Tithing, as practiced by Christians, has no Biblical foundation; there's no support for giving 10% of your income to the church. The Bible's primary guidance is that we look after the poor.

Church tithes go here (approximately):
50% Staff salaries
30% Building
10% Missionary (salaries)
0.05% Direct help for the poor (if they're lucky)

Once you understand this, you may well find yourself asking:
Does God despise the church tithe?

Thoughts?

Hi Simon, I didn't see anything in Malachi 3: 6-12 that spoke of giving tithes to the church. We are called to bring the whole tithe into the storehouse so that there is food in God's house. Well Simon, my house is God's house and he can bless the poor from here. I wouldn't put money into a church that values lead for the roof of a decrepit old building above the need of the poor. bless you.

 

[Trevor]

Giving/Helping those in need is part of God's law of the Spirit, as we are created to do the Lord's work. But tithing as a Law was under the Law of Moses. Loving your neighbor with the same love that God loved you with is a huge part of the NT Law feeding a preacher or a homeless person is just showing the Love of God within you. Happily giving any portion of your money or your possessions to the Church or to someone who needs it is part of God's law.

There is no set amount or starting amount for a person to give after they have been saved. If they give a dollar good, if they give a thousand dollars that is good also. If a person cannot give ten percent happily but can give 1% or five percent or any other amount with joy. Then that is good. As there is no set amount to give. But as time goes by and the love of God/the Love for God and your brethren in Christ Grows you will want to give more and more knowing that the more you give the more you are helping those who need it.

Disciple, reading this post is like reading a post from a different person from the person who wrote on my post. Here you seem to be in complete agreement with me, that is wonderful. Bless you. Trevor