Is God in control of the government?

[Admon Mikha'el]

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Romans 13:1 NKJV

“O Lord God of our fathers, are You not God in heaven, and do You not rule over all the kingdoms of the nations, and in Your hand is there not power and might, so that no one is able to withstand You? II Chronicles 20:6 NKJV

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. Revelation 11:17 NKJV

Good one! But still that does not put God in control in the Earth....He does that when the people insist on it...as in elections...as in King Saul when the people demanded a king.

 

[Andyindauk]

Yes, God is Omnificent - He does all that is done. He is constantly doing Good and Evil in every nanosecond of everything in the Universe, including me typing this and you thinking about what you are reading.

"The Lord creates good and evil, I the LORD do ALL THESE THINGS - Isaiah 45:7

Hey @Admon Mikha'el here is your 'Earth' scripture
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying,
"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and ON EARTH.

Please don't doctor verses when quoting them. The NIV -
so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord , and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord , do all these things.

There aren't many things God can't do but creating evil is one. The darkness referred to is abcence of light, not evil.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Yes, God is Omnificent - He does all that is done. He is constantly doing Good and Evil in every nanosecond of everything in the Universe, including me typing this and you thinking about what you are reading.

"The Lord creates good and evil, I the LORD do ALL THESE THINGS - Isaiah 45:7

Hey @Admon Mikha'el here is your 'Earth' scripture
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying,
"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and ON EARTH.

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Very good! Finish it now....What did Jesus DO with that authority? He gave it to us to empower us to do our jobs You cannot take a single verse out of context and build an entire doctrine on it. You have to take what the bible actually says!

 

[Christ4Ever]

This gets me thinking about Nebuchadnezzar and how God raised him up for his own purpose and that was to punish Israel. Was the king just a puppet, I dont think so, but God did seem to control the situation.

your thoughts anyone?

Dear Brother,
As is the case with many who serve the purposes of God, be they believer or unbeliever. For He uses both to His good purpose. However, its the same as Pharaoh, when He hardened his heart, but there were many Pharaohs that God did not directly intervein with at least not as told by Scripture. So with Nebuchadnezzar, but Babylon was also brought low for dishonoring God by using the vessels that were taken from the Temple of the House of God. Would Babylon still have fallen if the King of Babylon had not done this or would Egypt if they had not abused God's people? I don't know, but it reasons that Babylon and Egypt served His purpose.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Primordial Light]

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Very good! Finish it now....What did Jesus DO with that authority? He gave it to us to empower us to do our jobs You cannot take a single verse out of context and build an entire doctrine on it. You have to take what the bible actually says!

You're the one with the hang-up with the word "Earth". You are in obvious denial of Eph 1:11 "GOD WORKS ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL". This week your going to have some issues with the phrase 'ALL THINGS'.

 

[Primordial Light]

Please don't doctor verses when quoting them. The NIV -
so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord , and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord , do all these things.

There aren't many things God can't do but creating evil is one. The darkness referred to is abcence of light, not evil.

Oh look, you're fulfilling prophecy -
Zech 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their dregs, that say in their heart, ‘The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil.’

Better repent of your blasphemy.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You're the one with the hang-up with the word "Earth". You are in obvious denial of Eph 1:11 "GOD WORKS ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL". This week your going to have some issues with the phrase 'ALL THINGS'.

Are you sure you have the correct verse?
Ephesians 1:11-12 King James Version (KJV)

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:


12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Its still a matter of "God owns the store and we manage it"

 

[backNforth]

There aren't many things God can't do but creating evil is one.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isa 45:7

 

[Dave M]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isa 45:7

I remember when I first read that verse I was like what ??? I said it before and I will say it again, I dont understand everything in the bible but I believe everything,

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I remember when I first read that verse I was like what ??? I said it before and I will say it again, I dont understand everything in the bible but I believe everything,

Every place I see in the Bible where God created something...He sais "It is good" I cannot find a single instance where God created and said "It is evil" so...HOW did God create evil?

 

[Brad Huber]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isa 45:7

God does not purposely create evil, he creates beings with choice and does not always protect them when they choose badly, He lets them become more evil and will use that evil for good in ways we dont always understand. He created that which became evil therefore He created the evil, He accepts the idea of the buck stops here.

 

[backNforth]

God's doctrine is laid down concerning his sovereignty. He is asserting his sole and sovereign dominion, that he is Lord of all, and there is nothing done without him. "I create evil," not the evil of sin (God is not the author of that), but the evil of punishment.

I dont understand everything in the bible but I believe everything,

Amen, brother.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

God does not purposely create evil, he creates beings with choice and does not always protect them when they choose badly, He lets them become more evil and will use that evil for good in ways we dont always understand. He created that which became evil therefore He created the evil, He accepts the idea of the buck stops here.

I agree Brad...God created Lucifer... a beautiful angel who made beautiful music...Until he got all proud and rebelled. And became evil incarnate...God created mankind...who got deceived by Lucifer/Satan and brought sin into the world. And sin brought the curse into the world, the curse being simply cause and effect. Then there are storms, earthquakes and the like, again a natural result of sin entering the world. So God created sin in that He created the things that brought it into the world

 

[Primordial Light]

God does not purposely create evil, he creates beings with choice and does not always protect them when they choose badly, He lets them become more evil and will use that evil for good in ways we dont always understand. He created that which became evil therefore He created the evil, He accepts the idea of the buck stops here.

Fun to watch you try to rationalize away Isaiah 45:7

 

[Primordial Light]

Are you sure you have the correct verse?
Ephesians 1:11-12 King James Version (KJV)

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:


12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Its still a matter of "God owns the store and we manage it"

Are you sure you read the posted you quoted?

 

[Primordial Light]

@Admon Mikha'el
Do you believe Jeremiah 20:7 "O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived"

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isa 45:7

It's interesting to note, the same hebrew word for "'Create" in Isaiah 45:7 is the same as God "created" the Heavens and Earth.

 

[Brad Huber]

Fun to watch you try to rationalize away Isaiah 45:7

Your rationalization from the verse is obvious. And because there was no light before He gave the command, Let there be Light, there was nothing but darkness, which either was always there, or there wasnt even darkness, which He would have created. And wherever the light shines with something blocking the light, darkness is created, so He definately created that darkness. As for good times and bad, of course He does that, but creating bad times is simply allowing evil to have its way. He could strike us down, send rain or drought, based on His reaction on the consensus of how it would affect ppl spiritually which is more important than the physical.

Glad that I am so easily able to amuse you. You must have been easy to amuse as a child.

 

[Brad Huber]

@Admon Mikha'el
Do you believe Jeremiah 20:7 "O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived"

Deceiving him only required that He, God, did not enlighten him to the truth and the man chose to believe a lie that either he created in his own mind or someone convinced him of it. God does not lie.

 

[Primordial Light]

Deceiving him only required that He, God, did not enlighten him to the truth and the man chose to believe a lie that either he created in his own mind or someone convinced him of it. God does not lie.

No one said he lied, but He does "choose your delusions" - Isaiah 66:4

 

[Primordial Light]

Your rationalization from the verse is obvious. And because there was no light before He gave the command, Let there be Light, there was nothing but darkness, which either was always there, or there wasnt even darkness, which He would have created. And wherever the light shines with something blocking the light, darkness is created, so He definately created that darkness. As for good times and bad, of course He does that, but creating bad times is simply allowing evil to have its way. He could strike us down, send rain or drought, based on His reaction on the consensus of how it would affect ppl spiritually which is more important than the physical.

Glad that I am so easily able to amuse you. You must have been easy to amuse as a child.

classic obfuscation -
"a fool is known for the multitude of his words" - Proverbs