Is God ok with transgender people?

[B-A-C]

Apparently not. I'd not call em a man.

This article is an opinion editorial, with speculation on many facts.
This does not appear to be a science journal.

In any case, we've already discussed hermaphrodites. This is not transgender.
Being born with a particular sexual condition is not the same thing as someone being born with a definitive sexual condition and wanting to change it.

 

[newname]

This article is an opinion editorial, with speculation on many facts.
This does not appear to be a science journal.

In any case, we've already discussed hermaphrodites. This is not transgender.
Being born with a particular sexual condition is not the same thing as someone being born with a definitive sexual condition and wanting to change it.

Yes transgender is just a demon too. A male demon feels like a male. Those are the ones that are offspring from the raped women before the flood.

 

[newname]

Once we had a girl in church who said she experienced entities. There was noone else, so my ex asked if I could help him with the prayer. That night I got attacked in my sleep by a demon who tried to rape me. Next one who needs prayer: bye go ask T.B. Joshua or someone like that.

 

[Hekuran]

Yes transgender is just a demon too. A male demon feels like a male. Those are the ones that are offspring from the raped women before the flood.

You should be very careful making bold statements like this, and be clear how you arrived at your opinion. If you are are wrong about this, it could cause untold damage to a transgender person.

 

[Sue D.]

@newname -- your post #123 -- ah, well, I Don't think so. While the demonic world Is real -- and they Do mess with us. It's more impersonating people who are dead and making us Think there are such things as ghosts. But Scripture says that when a person dies - they are immediately either with Christ or in hades waiting for the white throne judgement. No one's spirit lingers around. And there Are TV programs like 'Ghost busters' or Ghost hunters that go to various places where people report 'sightings' -- well -- those are demons who take on the form of dead people.

Some years ago I had a granddaughter -- she's still alive. But she got with another teenager her age. they were both 'drama queens'. They were neighbor kids. Their parents let them hang out without any supervision. They were very capable of working themselves into a real 'frenzy'. On the first day of school some years ago -- my granddaughter was over heard telling a friend in the hallway that she had been raped. Well -- of course the one overhearing the conversation went to the principals office to report it. And they in turn contacted my daughter and her husband. They all met in his office and my granddaughter was asked to explain exactly what happened. She'd been all emotionally upset and crying and everything. And she blurted out that a demon had raped her. Of course, it had been assumed that either another student or teacher or someone had done it and it would be dealt with legally. Well -- obviously nothing legally was going to be done. My son-in-law at that time apologized to the office people and said he'd talk with their pastor about it.

Her next older sister had commented to us that there was indeed something 'different' in her younger sisters' room. Their Dad allowed all sorts of books, movies, etc, having to do with black majic / the Goth look. Their Dad was encouraging them to get to know some of those school kids, neighbors in an effort to be able to witness to them. Some of the high school girls were obviously lesbians -- they'd be seen making out in the side hallways. And some were obviously 'Goth'.

The older of their daughters Was trying to witness to them -- she brought her Bible to school and would read by herself. They didn't want to hear anything religious.

A lesson 'we' learned from what our daughter and her x-husband allowed. Ya have to be very careful about what you 'dabble' in. My husband had encouraged Greg to get rid of all the questionable books, movies they been watching and reading. All Greg did was respond "yep" -- he felt we were simply being over protective of teens in this progressive world. The 'end' of all of this -- about a year later -- that one granddaughter got involved with some neighbor kids messing around with the 'choking / fainting game'. Ben was by himself and tried 'it' and accidentally hung himself. His younger brother found him and cut him down and called EMS. We were called. He was taken off life-support the next day. Needless to say -- it shook the family to it's core. the resulting divorce -- Greg's idea -- not ours. Continued to rock the family and extended family to it's core. The entire family has scattered.


Do Not mess with the demonic world -- but Also -- don't give them Credit for Anything. Run from it.

didn't really intend to get into all of this.

 

[newname]

It was a demon. She got rid of it. No idea what she was into, but it tried to attack me after I had prayed along for her. I'm not an anointed minister called for that or something, so next time buh bye, no way. Go ask someone else.
I lived in a house after my divorce. I had been living together w a guy, but repented and broke it off. It turned out to have been a sex shop. They changed it to rent it as a house. How am I to know? So my son said he saw a lot of ppl there and he was 5 or so. There was noone. I said oh thats demons. Ill kick em out. He happily said: I see one coming out of you. I had been living in fornication and hadnt kicked it out yet. I freaked out. Daddy!!!! Help! So my ex came over and kicked em all out. Do you still see em? Theyre in the baby room now, said my son. He kicked em out there and he saw em leave and never saw em again.

 

[newname]

We have one guy in Holland. Almost everyone goes to him to pray for healing or kick out demons, cause a lot of churches don't do that. He had one guy in his church who was just saved. He was so naive. He went to a satan church to bring them the good news. There was a leader from Europe there. His eyes were red. Boy asks: can I pray for you? Yeah sure, he says. He laid his hands on him. He got totally posessed. Those demons jump over. That man had no intention of converting. He called that evangelist to come over and set him free. He said no come to the service. There's more anointing when the whole church prays. He got set free, but don't just pray for ppl. There's a text that you shouldnt just lay your hands on ppl and share in the sin of others. Keep yourself clean.

 

[newname]

They never believe those ppl. There are Africans on youtube who say they had sex w a demon. A guy in a mental institution said it. They didn't believe it and just put him on drugs.
T.B. just kicks it out. If Jesus came in a synagogue unclean demons would scream and leave.
Why on earth would someone even rape? That's an unclean demon. It goes to the one who gets raped and they go rape too or they can become sexually immoral or homo or trans or asexual.
And what to think of pirn. Demons come through the tv if ppl watch that. Guy on a forum was hetero, had a gf. Asked help, cause he had watched porn and now he had homo feelings. They were all like: oh accept yourself. You're just gay. I sent him a pm and gave him some good links to be set free. He just opened the door by watching that.
As a teen I had lust thoughts. Had no clue if it was bad. Church didnt preach on it. Asked my mom. She bought a book for youth. He said: you give yourself over to an unclean demon if you do that. Eeeeww. I was healed instantly.

 

[B-A-C]

If you are covered by the blood of Jesus, and have the Holy Spirit inside you. Demons cannot even touch you.
Demons cannot inhabit a person that has the Spirit inside them. Demons can "oppress" you and make you feel sad, guilty, angry or other things.
But demons cannot "possess" a Christian.

 

[newname]

If you are covered by the blood of Jesus, and have the Holy Spirit inside you. Demons cannot even touch you.
Demons cannot inhabit a person that has the Spirit inside them. Demons can "oppress" you and make you feel sad, guilty, angry or other things.
But demons cannot "possess" a Christian.

They can go into a christian who backslid and lives in sin.
And I had one as a christian, not backslid, who bugged me. I was not posessed, but it had to be cast out, cause someone attempted to rape me as a kid in my sleep. If they don't kick it out when you convert, someone may have to do it later.

 

[Sue D.]

@newname -- when a person accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior -- the Holy Spirit comes to indwell them Immediately. Not just part of you, but All of you. Nothing else Can come to possess you. The Holy Spirit 'kicks out' anything else that is in a person.

Now -- apparently someOne Did at least attempt to rape you as a child while you were asleep. Whether you were having a really dream or some person did try to rape you while you were sleeping, it definitely made a very negative impression on you. Sexual abuse of a child will really mess them up.

 

[KingJ]

I know we've all been told "sin is sin." BUT - It does seem like there are different degrees of sin. Maybe the Catholic's do have it right after all.

Matthew 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."

John 19:11 "Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin."

1 John 5:16 "If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that."

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,"

Genesis 18:20 "Then the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave,"
1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body."

Luke 12:47-48 "And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

Matthew 26:23-24 "He answered, “He who has dipped his hand in the dish with me will betray me. The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born."

Matthew 12:31-32 "Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Good scriptures.

Catholics do have degrees of sin right. There is mortal and venial sins. Sin is sin and sin has degrees.

I like to contrast Matt 5:28 (thoughts = adultery) with Matt 5:32 & Matt 19:9 (actual adultery = grounds for divorce, not thoughts).

 

[Brother-Paul]

I agree with your comment Sue, Sexual abuse of a child will really mess them up.

To all who are or have experienced such things.

I can tell you, having experienced abuse as a child, mental and physical, but I will stick to sexual abuse here, it affects different people different ways, but for sure it SCREWS you up, dislike becomes HATE, it can lead to REVENGE, it can go further which I feel best not to include here. The hurt and feeling can go on for years, some go to the grave without telling, that should never happen but is often the result of FEAR.

We must always remember all these things come from the devil, the perpetrator was tempted, he/she was selfish they put their own feelings, lustful feeling before anything or anyone else. They got way with things, they do them again.

I was sexually abused by a vicar in my teens, three periods over a two years span, I broke away for a short period, but went back again thinking each time he will not do it again, he did! Why did I go back, the three other lads he also abused always had money for sweets and cakes to eat and I was getting to many questions, why I wasn't playing with the other lads.

I was 40 before I spoke about it, I had just come to Christ, I went to my doctor one day, he said something is worrying you Paul, for the first time I said I was thinking of seeing a counsellor, but I feel it should be a Christian counsellor,he said just a minute I just have to pop out and see someone, he came back and introduced me to Margaret who was a Christian counsellor. I was counselled for eight month, as there were so many issues in my life from 3 years old, it wasn't easy, it was slow at first. But the Holy Spirit had been counselling me already, I just didn't know it. I was set free but other battles started as firstly my wife of 20 years couldn't understand how I could tell another woman and not her, then followed a spiritual battle as my faith grew rapidly, almost costing me my marriage and kids, but LOVE conquered everything, God's Love brought us through them terrible times.

Never lock away issues, especially abuse, pray, pray for someone to share with, but let it out, you must, if you don't it will break you, it will never go away.

 

[Sue D.]

@Brother-Paul -- your willingness to share that is appreciated. And I'm also sorry that you had to endure all of that as a teen. Being a teenager can be very confusing as the hormones are being activated and then to have That happen. I'm thinking that a vicar is part of the RCC. And it appears that the RCC church requiring celebacy is a big mistake. It's not Scriptural. And it leads to lots of activity that is dangerous to young children and teens. And I did just look it up. And a vicar is in a position of lots of authority in RCC.

Children are taught to respect those in authority -- adults have been known to take serious advantage of that. And church officials are to be respected and obeyed and supposedly never wrong. So if a 'godly' man is doing something or saying something it Must be right and true and not be questioned. But kids Do have an inner sense of when something Isn't right. Lots of inner conflict. And when there doesn't seem to Be an adult who can be trusted to share important things With -- well -- what's a child or teen supposed to do. It gets bottled up inside.

But Another thing I've discovered with counseling -- it's Much better for a guy to talk with another guy and a woman with another woman. I was in counseling for two years with a man. The only person available at the time. And That ended up causing Other kinds of problems. Attachment issues.

I can understand your wife's concerns about your talking with another woman and not to Her. My husband was somewhat the same way. But the goal with My situation was to get my husband into counseling along With me. My husband would drive me to the sessions and wait outside -- on the way home, he was hoping that I would share what had been talked about. Well -- I was deep in thought and really didn't Want to. The male counselor would come out to the front and talk briefly with Doug while I went to the Ladies' Room and then again briefly After the session. He was Hoping to make a positive connection With Doug so that he'd be willing to be in the counseling, too. But Doug let me know that he was Not interested in counseling for himself. He had issues with PTSD. He'd been a veteran and talked with Their psychiatrists. he didn't like Them, Either. My husband had a hard time really opening up to Anyone very much on a serious level for very long.

After a while, my counseling time changed to an earlier time so that I could drive myself -- Doug stayed home after that.

And sometimes 'attachment issues' don't entirely go away , either.

'newname' feels that demons actually enter a person to cause some of this stuff. I'm thinking that what we are really 'seeing' is the affects of eating of the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil. We don't like to think that real people are capable of doing some of the evil things they do. A person's mind can become Very corrupt and that can come out through their actions.

Scripture tells us to guard our hearts and minds.

 

[Sue D.]

Good scriptures.

Catholics do have degrees of sin right. There is mortal and venial sins. Sin is sin and sin has degrees.

I like to contrast Matt 5:28 (thoughts = adultery) with Matt 5:32 & Matt 19:9 (actual adultery = grounds for divorce, not thoughts).

Sorry -- but I don't like to give the RCC credit for Anything. Their main beliefs are contrary to Scripture.

I'm a believer in God's Word. There are two of my brother-in-laws who married into the RCC. One of the couples are very open To conversation the other one is definitely NOT. Which I guess could be said for Any belief system, though.
I'm reacting to all the abuse that's been discovered within the RCC. The issues with celebacy for one.

don't mean to derail the conversation. just my 2 cents worth.

 

[KingJ]

Sorry -- but I don't like to give the RCC credit for Anything. Their main beliefs are contrary to Scripture.

What belief is contrary to scripture? Perhaps open a new thread and explain. It would make for a good conversation and I want to know what you have to say.

 

[Sue D.]

@KingJ -- I've no clue as to how to start a new thread. But I'd be interested in a peaceable discussion. No 'debating' - simply a discussion.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Brother-Paul -- your willingness to share that is appreciated. And I'm also sorry that you had to endure all of that as a teen. Being a teenager can be very confusing as the hormones are being activated and then to have That happen. I'm thinking that a vicar is part of the RCC. And it appears that the RCC church requiring celebacy is a big mistake. It's not Scriptural. And it leads to lots of activity that is dangerous to young children and teens. And I did just look it up. And a vicar is in a position of lots of authority in RCC.

Children are taught to respect those in authority -- adults have been known to take serious advantage of that. And church officials are to be respected and obeyed and supposedly never wrong. So if a 'godly' man is doing something or saying something it Must be right and true and not be questioned. But kids Do have an inner sense of when something Isn't right. Lots of inner conflict. And when there doesn't seem to Be an adult who can be trusted to share important things With -- well -- what's a child or teen supposed to do. It gets bottled up inside.

But Another thing I've discovered with counseling -- it's Much better for a guy to talk with another guy and a woman with another woman. I was in counseling for two years with a man. The only person available at the time. And That ended up causing Other kinds of problems. Attachment issues.

I can understand your wife's concerns about your talking with another woman and not to Her. My husband was somewhat the same way. But the goal with My situation was to get my husband into counseling along With me. My husband would drive me to the sessions and wait outside -- on the way home, he was hoping that I would share what had been talked about. Well -- I was deep in thought and really didn't Want to. The male counselor would come out to the front and talk briefly with Doug while I went to the Ladies' Room and then again briefly After the session. He was Hoping to make a positive connection With Doug so that he'd be willing to be in the counseling, too. But Doug let me know that he was Not interested in counseling for himself. He had issues with PTSD. He'd been a veteran and talked with Their psychiatrists. he didn't like Them, Either. My husband had a hard time really opening up to Anyone very much on a serious level for very long.

After a while, my counseling time changed to an earlier time so that I could drive myself -- Doug stayed home after that.

And sometimes 'attachment issues' don't entirely go away , either.

'newname' feels that demons actually enter a person to cause some of this stuff. I'm thinking that what we are really 'seeing' is the affects of eating of the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil. We don't like to think that real people are capable of doing some of the evil things they do. A person's mind can become Very corrupt and that can come out through their actions.

Scripture tells us to guard our hearts and minds.

Hi Sue

First things first no he wasn't RCC he was CofE (Church of England).

In the UK most clergy in the RCC are called 'Father's' in the Anglican church they are vicars.

Both are not scriptural, vicars was introduced by the RCC and CofE, but as for RCC calling clergy Father, scripture is clear...

Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

The RCC has many reasons 'they feel' it is acceptable to call a person father.

Deuteronomy 5:16, God commands,
"Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the Lord your God gives you."

God made this command after telling us to honor Him.

They say...
A father is one who begets children. Biologically, to beget means to give the seed from which a child is conceived.
A man begets and a woman conceives.
In the act of begetting, the man shares in the attributes of God's fatherhood by participating in the creation of this new life.

For me Matthew 23:9 is clear enough.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Sorry -- but I don't like to give the RCC credit for Anything. Their main beliefs are contrary to Scripture.

I'm a believer in God's Word. There are two of my brother-in-laws who married into the RCC. One of the couples are very open To conversation the other one is definitely NOT. Which I guess could be said for Any belief system, though.
I'm reacting to all the abuse that's been discovered within the RCC. The issues with celebacy for one.

don't mean to derail the conversation. just my 2 cents worth.

Sorry Sue, but I have to add a little comment here, we are to love our neighbour as ourselves.

The RCC has many errors as we know, but so does JW, and others. We also have to accept in the RCC, some are saved, I have come across the odd ones, but the truth is we do not know how many. We are to love one another as Christ loves us.

Bless you.

 

[Sue D.]

@KingJ -- for the other thread -- look up Beliefs of RCC -- Scripture -- that's what I've started. That's what you stated that you want to look into more.