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Is it possible that Satan will be destroyed but Lucifer will revert...

K9Buckeye

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...to his old, pure, self?

Is it possible that God transformed Lucifer into Satan and 1/3 of his angels into demons in order to teach and test us?

One reason I believe that this is POSSIBLE is because Jesus said that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. Matthew 7:18.

If it's true that Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God, then it would seem that Jesus' statement is incorrect.

Of course, it's entirely possible that I lack understanding.

Thoughts?
 
Things, or people, or beings with cognizant thought can be healthy but become sick. We can be healthy for some time and then become sick to the point of death.
 
...to his old, pure, self?

Is it possible that God transformed Lucifer into Satan and 1/3 of his angels into demons in order to teach and test us?

One reason I believe that this is POSSIBLE is because Jesus said that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. Matthew 7:18.

If it's true that Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God, then it would seem that Jesus' statement is incorrect.

Of course, it's entirely possible that I lack understanding.

Thoughts?
God did not turn Lucifer into Satan Satan did that himself

If you ever work with those who remove demons you'll find that the demons commonly will refer to themselves using titles like Hate, Lies , Helm are a few that come to my mind

Helm what's an interesting name because he was the lead on a bunch of other ones inside of the same person.

Lucifer was the Angelic name but when he fell he became Satan as the title.
 
So Jesus was wrong? A "good" tree CAN produce "bad" fruit?
Do you think your understanding of the verse is correct. Because you are taking the 1 verse out of its contense.

Much like the snake handlers in Eastern Kentucky. They take the one verse from Paul's writings and base thier whole church on it
 
Well you explain to me how Satan fell from heaven. Remember God created perfection. God does not create evil.

I'm not trying to win an argument here. I'm trying to expand and increase understanding. I asked if it's POSSIBLE that God is using Lucifer and 1/3 of his angels to show us what evil looks like.

Jesus said that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit. Therefore, I believe it is POSSIBLE that Lucifer and the fallen angels (demons) have actually been drafted by God for the important task of teaching us about evil. If that is NOT the case, then God indeed produced "bad" fruit, and then Jesus' statement is seemingly INCORRECT.

Another distinct possibility is that I am misunderstanding.
 
I'm not trying to win an argument here. I'm trying to expand and increase understanding. I asked if it's POSSIBLE that God is using Lucifer and 1/3 of his angels to show us what evil looks like.

Jesus said that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit. Therefore, I believe it is POSSIBLE that Lucifer and the fallen angels (demons) have actually been drafted by God for the important task of teaching us about evil. If that is NOT the case, then God indeed produced "bad" fruit, and then Jesus' statement is seemingly INCORRECT.

Another distinct possibility is that I am misunderstanding.
This isnt an arguement, its only a question.

However, let me share something with you, from my own experiences.

I dont usually talk open here as many will jump in with no understanding, and say " its not in scripture " thier folly is, they are wrong.

Some years ago i was contemplating about Jesus showing Mercy to the demons every time he would cast them out from someone. As a person who is involved with spiritual warfare at a high level I didn't totally understand it.

In the scriptures the demons who are inside of people would scream out loud, " have you come to destroy us before our time" and Jesus would reply be quiet. In one instance Jesus cast the demons into a herd of pigs.

I can tell you from experience that that is not going to kill any demons it will release them somewhere else down the road.

In my own spiritual work I never feel qualified to send a demon to hell so I always say go to Jesus for him to do with you as he will

So here you have Jesus showing Mercy to the demons again and again always showing Mercy to the demons.

In the beginning of the scriptures words talking about Satan and his followers all going to hell it states that one-third of the Angels fell where is if you look at the end of scripture in Revelations it only says that Satan and his followers will go to hell.

It made me start thinking that there is a possibility that a demon can be forgiven

Sometime after I had come to this conclusion I was being attacked by a demon. Now you have to understand that I see and hear spiritually, yes I can see the angels and demons and hear them just as well like talking to another person

And in my spiritual work I am involved with heavy spiritual warfare which includes out-of-the-body experiences I can do this anytime I want it has to do with the authority that the Lord has given to me

So I was in prayer and felt the presence of a demon coming now there are angels that work with me directly and I had them go and catch the demon that was coming they brought the demon before me and I asked it why because I already knew it was a suicide mission for that demon to do that

The demon said I was only trying to get you to stop thinking about God for one second.

Then I asked the demon have you ever thought about going back, then he replied it's impossible

I said to the demon that nothing is impossible in God. So I took the demon with me to God the Father I did have Angels bar my way in heaven but using my authority I told them to stand aside and they did.

Then standing before God the Father I pleaded on behalf of the case of the Fallen Angel and I said to the Father, " if his sin is so great give it to me and I will take his place"

The Father said to me to settle down. And he took the Fallen Angel. And I left.

About eight months later I was praying and I felt the presence of something I had never felt before. Now I can firmly tell you, I can recognize the presents of an Angel and the presence of a demon. I know the presence of God the Father and the presence of Jesus and I recognize the urging of the Holy Spirit and I also know the presence of the Trinity as One. But I never felt this presence before.

this presents was the former Fallen Angel now Reborn and it came to say thank you.

since that time I have taken Millions of Fallen Angels before the Father and all have been Reborn

the bottom line it's a matter of your faith and love in God
 
As a person who is involved with spiritual warfare at a high level

Before we continue with this thread, have you posted about your experiences anywhere? If so, I would love a link so that I can read about them. Thanks in advance.
 
This isnt an arguement, its only a question.

However, let me share something with you, from my own experiences.

I dont usually talk open here as many will jump in with no understanding, and say " its not in scripture " thier folly is, they are wrong.

Some years ago i was contemplating about Jesus showing Mercy to the demons every time he would cast them out from someone. As a person who is involved with spiritual warfare at a high level I didn't totally understand it.

In the scriptures the demons who are inside of people would scream out loud, " have you come to destroy us before our time" and Jesus would reply be quiet. In one instance Jesus cast the demons into a herd of pigs.

I can tell you from experience that that is not going to kill any demons it will release them somewhere else down the road.

In my own spiritual work I never feel qualified to send a demon to hell so I always say go to Jesus for him to do with you as he will

So here you have Jesus showing Mercy to the demons again and again always showing Mercy to the demons.

In the beginning of the scriptures words talking about Satan and his followers all going to hell it states that one-third of the Angels fell where is if you look at the end of scripture in Revelations it only says that Satan and his followers will go to hell.

It made me start thinking that there is a possibility that a demon can be forgiven

Sometime after I had come to this conclusion I was being attacked by a demon. Now you have to understand that I see and hear spiritually, yes I can see the angels and demons and hear them just as well like talking to another person

And in my spiritual work I am involved with heavy spiritual warfare which includes out-of-the-body experiences I can do this anytime I want it has to do with the authority that the Lord has given to me

So I was in prayer and felt the presence of a demon coming now there are angels that work with me directly and I had them go and catch the demon that was coming they brought the demon before me and I asked it why because I already knew it was a suicide mission for that demon to do that

The demon said I was only trying to get you to stop thinking about God for one second.

Then I asked the demon have you ever thought about going back, then he replied it's impossible

I said to the demon that nothing is impossible in God. So I took the demon with me to God the Father I did have Angels bar my way in heaven but using my authority I told them to stand aside and they did.

Then standing before God the Father I pleaded on behalf of the case of the Fallen Angel and I said to the Father, " if his sin is so great give it to me and I will take his place"

The Father said to me to settle down. And he took the Fallen Angel. And I left.

About eight months later I was praying and I felt the presence of something I had never felt before. Now I can firmly tell you, I can recognize the presents of an Angel and the presence of a demon. I know the presence of God the Father and the presence of Jesus and I recognize the urging of the Holy Spirit and I also know the presence of the Trinity as One. But I never felt this presence before.

this presents was the former Fallen Angel now Reborn and it came to say thank you.

since that time I have taken Millions of Fallen Angels before the Father and all have been Reborn

the bottom line it's a matter of your faith and love in God

Wow that's amazing! Thank you for sharing? I hope to be able to read about your experiences.
 
Before we continue with this thread, have you posted about your experiences anywhere? If so, I would love a link so that I can read about them. Thanks in advance.
I kept a journal for 20 yrs of the mystical calling the Lord has given me. A friend of mine has it in safe keeping.

Somewhere at 20 yrs, there were so many things going on, i stopped writing. You could say it was like faucets on a diamond, so many at the same time. I am well aware of all of them.

Brad Huber worries over my sleep sometimes. But i am called awake at all hours of the night.

As the Lord says, i get the sleep i need, not what i want.

When the task is finished, then i will sleep
 
Wow that's amazing! Thank you for sharing? I hope to be able to read about your experiences.
We live in the opening of Revelations. In our lifetime we will see the Great Day of the Lord ( the 6th seal ) , we will experience the greatest challenge to all Christianity, the Mark of the Beast, and soon now, very soon, there will be the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit greater than anyone has ever seen sinse the beginning.

You will be more filled with the Holy Spirit than you already are now. You wont have to ask me, as you will be there yourself.
 
We live in the opening of Revelations. In our lifetime we will see the Great Day of the Lord ( the 6th seal ) , we will experience the greatest challenge to all Christianity, the Mark of the Beast, and soon now, very soon, there will be the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit greater than anyone has ever seen sinse the beginning.

You will be more filled with the Holy Spirit than you already are now. You wont have to ask me, as you will be there yourself.

I hope I'm still alive to experience, I think. LOL.
 
I hope I'm still alive to experience, I think. LOL.
One thing cool , we have some idea what is ahead. We have an advantage .

The founding fathers of the United States could you imagine if they knew what was ahead
 
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