Is selfdefense righteous?

[Christ4Ever]

what if they shoot you can you shoot them back?

Only if they're a bad shot.

 

[zeth4500]

Because God's Kids always conquers.

that i can agree with any time.

Or you can try and defend yourself and then He stands back and allow you to suffer the consequences of your lack of Faith and fighting foolishly against what you can never conquer. .

yes i understand this is the ideal way to play it if youre a monk and no one else is your responsibility- but i have others that depend on me, ill have to agree to disagree on this

avenge not yourselves,

it is not to avenge, it is to avoid death. if one is even able to avenge, then it wasnt death

When you enter the Holy War they will most probable leave you as my wife and kids and friends and family and nation did.

im sorry to hear that, until they do so i will have to secure their existence as its my duty

 

[backNforth]

Or you can try and defend yourself and then He stands back and allow you to suffer the consequences of your lack of Faith and fighting foolishly against what you can never conquer. .

Your body is not your own; you were bought with a price (1 Cor. 6:20). Even the heathen recognize that, which is why suicide is still illegal in most areas (although euthanasia is creeping in). Death is an enemy; The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (12 Cor 15:26).

Self-defense is permissible if the person uses wisdom, understanding, and tact to decide when they should fight back. A couple relevant verses:

If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. (Exo. 22:2-3).

They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon. (Neh. 4:17-18).

Yes, you are to "defend yourself," as you are not your own, and dead believers make poor evangelists. First and foremost, it is a spiritual battle. While the physical is after the fact, yet it also must be attended to.

Jesus himself tells us to take up swords.

Luke 22: 36 - He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

Jesus is speaking literal here. Earlier in his ministry, Jesus tells his disciples to go out with nothing, including no moneybag (Luke 9:3). However, now he is saying that once the Scriptures come to pass, they will need more supplies, including ways to defend themselves because his followers will soon be persecuted in his name.

Jesus is talking about literal moneybags and knapsacks in Verse 36 so there is no reason to think that he isn't also talking about literal swords. Not to mention that the very fact Simon Peter had a sword at all when the guards came for Jesus suggests that the disciples had swords on them normally, meaning that Jesus did not prohibit swords (means of self defense) before the cutting off of the guard's ear.

it is not to avenge, it is to avoid death. if one is even able to avenge, then it wasnt death

Indeed.

m sorry to hear that, until they do so i will have to secure their existence as its my duty

Amen.

 

[Johanabrahams]

yes i understand this is the ideal way to play it if youre a monk and no one else is your responsibility- but i have others that depend on me, ill have to agree to disagree on this

So where did God say He will protect only "monks" and not families who entered His Protection, Brother? Is He not the Father and Head and Protector of Both?

it is not to avenge, it is to avoid death. if one is even able to avenge, then it wasnt death

How can anyone kill you without God's Permission on it? How can anyone do anything against you without God as your Daddy's Permission on it? When I saw this in Revelation God brought a whole town into "attacking Me". And they lost the Holy War. No use knowing God is Protector without entering it. But seems the "Monk" will survive because He Loves God enough to believe Him that He is Protector. As He said. And you and your family will die, Brother? Because of lack of Love to believe your Daddy and what He said?

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im sorry to hear that,

No need to be sorry, Brother. God is never "sorry" for what He allows to happen with you. Because it is working out His Glory in which you will share. God gave Me a Perfect Marriage in the place of mine. He gave Me Himself as Husband. And He gave Me as His Wife Perfect Children in the place of mine. He gave Me Jesus as My Son. Now I have a Perfect Family Life created by the Perfect Word of God to do exactly this for Him. Where we share in the Joy and Happiness and Purpose and Fulfillment of it. He did say there is something Greater for us if we don't "marry". Or rather if we don't enter more of human sinful, wretched existence. As He showed us in Jesus when He never took a human wife for Himself.

I believed. And now I have a Perfect Life. Because when you enter giving everything God gives the Perfection. He never lied. And neither was He "joking".

Mat. 19:
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 ¶Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.