Is there anything that God does not know?

[Johan]

I believe the point of free will is that he doesn't know which path we will choose (although he knows where every path will lead). Because otherwise he wouldn't regret that he created us (Genesis 6:7). Am I right?

 

[RJ]

I believe the point of free will is that he doesn't know which path we will choose (although he knows where every path will lead). Because otherwise he wouldn't regret that he created us (Genesis 6:7). Am I right?

Let me put it this way and you decide, if you are right or not:

• God is perfect in every way.
• Him being Oniscient is perfect and complete, there is no "not knowing" in His being. It is impossible for Him not to know everything.
• His being Omnipresent is perfect and complete, He has the Omnipotent (power) to be at the begining, the middle and the end a the same time. He knows your response to this thread before I have even completed it. He saw it and knew it before you were created, even before the foundations of the universe.

There is no imperfections in our God. God has given us free choice in everything we do. Your above Genesis verse is for our edification, not His, he fully knew exactly what man would do before they did it!

 

[Johan]

Let me put it this way and you decide, if you are right or not:

• God is perfect in every way.
• Him being Oniscient is perfect and complete, there is no "not knowing" in His being. It is impossible for Him not to know everything.
• His being Omnipresent is perfect and complete, He has the Omnipotent (power) to be at the begining, the middle and the end a the same time. He knows your response to this thread before I have even completed it. He saw it and knew it before you were created, even before the foundations of the universe.

There is no imperfections in our God. God has given us free choice in everything we do. Your above Genesis verse is for our edification, not His, he fully knew exactly what man would do before they did it!

Hmm, yes if that verse is translated in a confusing way ... then it all makes sense.

This is another interesting thought:

Can God combine two opposites? I mean, he can do anything, even the impossible, and combining two opposites is impossible. I've thought many times; can God create a circular square? It can't be a square if it's circular and it can't be circular if it's a square. Or even worse, could God create something good - that is evil? At first thought it seems like something that not even God could do, but he's the one defining the laws of nature and of everything, so I guess that he could make a circular square and something good that is evil (if he wanted to). It's impossible to understand, but it's interesting how we really want to understand all this, even though we don't need to (explain that evolutionists )

What are your thoughts?

 

[SpiritLedEd]

God doesn't know how to lie, be unjust, or hate his children.

The way it is written, this statement could be taken as saying that God is not omniscient and therefore, He is not perfect. The truth is that God is all-powerful, but He has authority over that power. Because of His great love for us, He chooses to limit His use of that power.

SLE

 

[RJ]

Hmm, yes if that verse is translated in a confusing way ... then it all makes sense.

This is another interesting thought:

Can God combine two opposites? I mean, he can do anything, even the impossible, and combining two opposites is impossible. I've thought many times; can God create a circular square? It can't be a square if it's circular and it can't be circular if it's a square. Or even worse, could God create something good - that is evil? At first thought it seems like something that not even God could do, but he's the one defining the laws of nature and of everything, so I guess that he could make a circular square and something good that is evil (if he wanted to). It's impossible to understand, but it's interesting how we really want to understand all this, even though we don't need to (explain that evolutionists )

What are your thoughts?

Your getting a little too far out for me,with my pea brain, I 'll just stick with trying to invision things like splitting the 'Red Sea", getting water out of a rock, the immaculate conception, resurrection and how Jesus gets inside me!:wink:

 

[Johan]

Your getting a little too far out for me,with my pea brain, I 'll just stick with trying to invision things like splitting the 'Red Sea", getting water out of a rock, the immaculate conception, resurrection and how Jesus gets inside me!:wink:

Haha, ya that's a lot more interesting! Maybe I should have said "it's interesting how many of us really want to understand all this", since we're all created to be interested in different things.

 

[RJ]

Haha, ya that's a lot more interesting! Maybe I should have said "it's interesting how many of us really want to understand all this", since we're all created to be interested in different things.

And, yes it is our hope in glory! Someday we will know the answers to every question! Like St. Paul says: " when the imprfection goes and the perfection comes"...that will be the day!! Praise God from whom all blessings flow!

 

[Jaareshiah]

I believe the point of free will is that he doesn't know which path we will choose (although he knows where every path will lead). Because otherwise he wouldn't regret that he created us (Genesis 6:7). Am I right?

At Genesis 6:6, 7, it says that "Jehovah felt regret that he had made man, and he felt hurt at his heart", with him now saying that "I am going to wipe men whom I created off the surface of the ground....because I do regret that I have made them." If God had known that the man whom he had created, was going to cause him to ' feel regret ' over their creation, would he have made them ?

At Genesis 1:31, after Adam and Eve's creation at the end of the sixth "creative" day, it says that "God saw everything he had made and look ! it was very good.” What does this mean ? That there were no flaws or imperfection anywhere, even with Adam and Eve at this time. Had God known that mankind would cause him “regret”, could he have said that his creation was “very good” ?

Deuteronomy 32:4 says of God, that “the Rock, perfect is activity.” Hence, God, at the time of making Adam and Eve, made “mankind upright (or perfect), but they themselves have sought out many plans.”(Ecc 7:29)

Had God known that Adam and Eve would rebel, would be no different than a pharmaceutical company putting on the market a drug that they knew would have deadly consequences or a mechanic putting a part on a car that would cause a serious accident or a construction engineer that knows that the bridge he built has major flaws but builds it anyway, such as the Maccabiah Bridge that collapsed in 1997 in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing four and resulting in the conviction of five people.

Therefore, God selectively uses his foreknowledge to see the future of individuals (Gen 17:11, 12; Jer 1:4), and even nations.(Isa 13:19)

 

[RJ]

At Genesis 6:6, 7, it says that "Jehovah felt regret that he had made man, and he felt hurt at his heart", with him now saying that "I am going to wipe men whom I created off the surface of the ground....because I do regret that I have made them." If God had known that the man whom he had created, was going to cause him to ' feel regret ' over their creation, would he have made them ?

At Genesis 1:31, after Adam and Eve's creation at the end of the sixth "creative" day, it says that "God saw everything he had made and look ! it was very good.” What does this mean ? That there were no flaws or imperfection anywhere, even with Adam and Eve at this time. Had God known that mankind would cause him “regret”, could he have said that his creation was “very good” ?

Deuteronomy 32:4 says of God, that “the Rock, perfect is activity.” Hence, God, at the time of making Adam and Eve, made “mankind upright (or perfect), but they themselves have sought out many plans.”(Ecc 7:29)

Had God known that Adam and Eve would rebel, would be no different than a pharmaceutical company putting on the market a drug that they knew would have deadly consequences or a mechanic putting a part on a car that would cause a serious accident or a construction engineer that knows that the bridge he built has major flaws but builds it anyway, such as the Maccabiah Bridge that collapsed in 1997 in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing four and resulting in the conviction of five people.

Therefore, God selectively uses his foreknowledge to see the future of individuals (Gen 17:11, 12; Jer 1:4), and even nations.(Isa 13:19)

With all respect, you have a right to your opinion I therefore deeply regret saying what is my opinion of "your doctrine" because my thoughts are so negative . After this, I will be finished with any further commentary of your beliefs:

Your stance is blasphemous, and essentially equivalent to false testimony!
There, so far, is no truth in you Jaareshiah.
All of God's responses or comments you state, is for our edification and not His. For you to take truth and spew out untruths, is to show that you have absolutely no understanding of my God.

For you to twist that around and say that He is not "All Powerful" or "He Chooses not to know" is an insult to my God.
I pray that you concentrate more on your faith that saves you, the faith in jesus Christ's death, burial ad resurrection!

 

[Jaareshiah]

With all respect, you have a right to your opinion I therefore deeply regret saying what is my opinion of "your doctrine" because my thoughts are so negative . After this, I will be finished with any further commentary of your beliefs:

Your stance is blasphemous, and essentially equivalent to false testimony!
There, so far, is no truth in you Jaareshiah.
All of God's responses or comments you state, is for our edification and not His. For you to take truth and spew out untruths, is to show that you have absolutely no understanding of my God.

For you to twist that around and say that He is not "All Powerful" or "He Chooses not to know" is an insult to my God.
I pray that you concentrate more on your faith that saves you, the faith in jesus Christ's death, burial ad resurrection!

Joe,

Then, how is it that God could call his creation "very good" (Gen 1:31), if indeed he knew in advance that Adam and Eve would rebel, bringing untold misery upon mankind ? This would make him flawed, imperfect, if he knew in advance that the first man and woman would sin. Then his creation would not have been "very good" and that certainly would not make him a God of love.(1 John 4:8) Then the Genesis account is wrong, that God could say that his creation was "very good" following the end of the sixth "creative" day, if he knew that it would fail.

If you loaned out your car, but knew that the brakes were going to fail and cause a serious accident, could you say that you were innocent ? Because God selectively uses his foreknowledge does not fail to make him "All Powerful", for he has at his disposal at any given time the capability to foresee anyone's future as he chooses. He rightly speaks of himself as "God Almighty" at Genesis 17:1, but allows mankind to choose for themselves their future, without him necessarily peering into it as to whether or not they will loyally serve him.

Only on selected occasions has he used his foreknowledge to determine what a person or nation will do, according to his will, for King Nebuchadnezzar said that "all the inhabitants of the earth are being considered as merely nothing, and he is doing according to his own will among the army of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth. And there exists no one that can check his hand or that can say to him, ‘What have you been doing?’ "(Dan 4:35)

He has used his foreknowledge to show what will happen "in the final part of the days", our time period.(Dan 2:28) He has selectively made known that "in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;"(Dan 2:44) Thus, God has used his foreknowledge to make known to his people what will transpire in these "last days".(2 Tim 3:1-5; the book of Revelation; Daniel 11)

 

[Johan]

Joe,

Then, how is it that God could call his creation "very good" (Gen 1:31), if indeed he knew in advance that Adam and Eve would rebel, bringing untold misery upon mankind ? This would make him flawed, imperfect, if he knew in advance that the first man and woman would sin. Then his creation would not have been "very good" and that certainly would not make him a God of love.(1 John 4:8) Then the Genesis account is wrong, that God could say that his creation was "very good" following the end of the sixth "creative" day, if he knew that it would fail.

Because the creation was good. It's sin that is bad, and God didn't create sin.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Can God combine two opposites? I mean, he can do anything, even the impossible, and combining two opposites is impossible.

God created all things. Hence, He set in place the criteria that define "impossible" with respect to the laws and limitations of science. Since His works are perfect in the most absolute sense of the word, the laws of science and its limitations are unchangeable and things like the square cirle will never be.

SLE

 

[Boanerges]

Indeed. With God all thngs are possible.
As far as combining opposites we do that with electric current, magnetic poles and some married couples, LOL.

 

[Veracity]

I forgot all about this...

Isaiah 44:9 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses.
Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Better late than never I guess.